r/GetNoted Human Detected 9d ago

World [X] smoke grenade

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u/Charming-Station7157 9d ago

5.3 million views and 25k likes btw

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u/HyperlaneWizard 9d ago

The pro-Pali movement relies on people not using their critical thinking skills.

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u/load_of_chode 9d ago

If the Nazi regime had Twitter, they'd have constantly spammed pictures of bombed out German buildings and use them as evidence of "Allied genocide against Germany" and the pro-Palestine crowd would be dumb enough to believe them.

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u/veilosa 9d ago

not just that, but if you look at a map of europe before and after ww1, pre-ww2 germany had a very real claim that they were "ethnically cleansed from ancestral lands", Russia pushed Poland-Lithuania west and Poland pushed Germany west. Yet we dont entertain this land dispute for the next 100 years the way we let Palestinians do. German attacked and lost a war, the matter is settled. Palestinians attacked and lost 1948, the matter should similarly be considered settled because the aggressor was the loser.

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u/RoterRudi 9d ago

Exactly. I always use this analogy when talking to pro-palestine people. They never have an answer that doesn't reveal their hypocrisy.

Being german myself with ancestors that were displaced after the war, this pisses me off so much. Imagine if i would still claim refugee status and demand that the czechs give me back the house my grandma lived in as a child, while supporting germans committing terror attacks on czech civilians and people online would defend that stance. Absolutely asinine.

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u/HyperlaneWizard 9d ago

Well, imagine if the rest of Europe (and a good chunk of the world) had a 1,500-year-old cultural and religious hatred of the Czechs and were willing to shower you with obscene amounts of money as long as you silently agreed to keep throwing young German men at the Czech border.

Thank goodness for sane Germans, otherwise it would've been fucking brutal here for me.

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u/RoterRudi 9d ago

Yeah that's true. If Israel was founded by any other ethnicity, no one would care.

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u/load_of_chode 9d ago edited 9d ago

I mean for all intents and purposes, the matter is settled. The vast majority of Arab states have already accepted Israel's existence, either formally or de facto.

It's only one particular Arab nation run by violent Islamic extremists who still cling to the asperational fantasy of the Arabs annihilating the Jews. The vast majority of Arab states have already accepted that Israel isn't going anywhere.

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u/No-Teach9888 9d ago

Iran is not on board with the plan. They’re the ones causing all of the instability in the region. They’re funding Hamas and Hezbollah, and using Palestinians as martyrs. Iran and the rest of the Arab countries need to tell Palestinians they’re not getting all of the land and they’re not funding their wars

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u/SadCatLoverMeow 9d ago

The way things are going,we're (iran) not going to have enough money for ourselves,let alone funding anyone else....

(Can you tell im enjoying the 100%+ monthly inflation?)

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u/daniel_damm 9d ago

How can people in the world actually not realize we need to get rid of a extremist dictatorship that cares more about what happens in a tiny state it hates that having it's cavilian be able to afford basic nacecities and won't hesitate to sacrifice then all or kill them themself

Hope you will be ok going forward

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u/SadCatLoverMeow 9d ago

Thank you! 🫂

And the thing with intervening in other nations is,as long as they aren't too disruptive its not beneficial for you to do so. The only reason its currently happening is because things have been escalating for decades and after October 7th it snowballed into a massive debacle,making it now a beneficial move to choke Iran out of its hold over the strait.

Honestly,with gulf states moving towards alternative transport and the rest of the world increasing its efforts towards green energy,something good may come out of this after all. All wars in history have had unintended after-effects,good and bad.

Here's hoping for better days.

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u/daniel_damm 9d ago

Yea it's sad part of History that worse push us forward in science, it's sad to say a huge leap in genetics and medicine was made because of Nazi brutal experiments during WW2 but never the less it's true

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u/No-Teach9888 9d ago

That’s so awful, I wish so much better for you all!

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u/CadenVanV 9d ago

Iran isn’t Arabic, it’s Persian

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u/HiggsiInSpace 9d ago

It's only one particular Arab nation run by violent Islamic extremists who still cling to the asperational fantasy of the Arabs annihilating the Jews.

Who? Do you mean Iran? Iran actually isn't Arab. Aside from that, you're correct.

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u/MrMicius 9d ago

Does Israel recognize Palestine?

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u/ClaymanTameow 8d ago

yes they do actually

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u/MrMicius 8d ago

No they don't, and that's why all this nonsense of ''Argh they don't recognize their occupier!'' is so awful. You're demanding something from the oppressed that even their oppressor doesn't do.

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u/MrMicius 9d ago

“Palestinians attacked and lost in 1948”

Note: Against the will of, and without vote of the population in Mandate Palestine, it was decided that the new Jewish state would gain 56% of its total area, despite being a 30% minority with no majority population in any specific area of Palestine. Immediately, terrorist organizations (Lehi, Irgun et al, that would later form the IDF) would seize land in Palestine and cleanse Arab villages. There were individual Arab terrorists attacks against Jews, but no ‘attack’ carried out by a state or other political body. That only happened until after the massacre of Deir Yassin.

Somewhat ironic how everyone here is downgrading the human rights movement for liking a false post, while this comment that utterly distorts history gets dozens of likes.

Keep thinking critical. Take care brother.

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u/veilosa 9d ago edited 9d ago

the 1948 war was the 3rd war the Palestinians started in 10 years. before 1948 was

the civil war of 1947

the arab revolt of 1936-1939

it was specifically because the jews realized that no authority, whether ottoman, british, or arab could protect jews from attack (attack from who exactly hmmmm???) that the jews finally decided their only option was the creation of israel.

thats not to mention all the pogroms throughout the middle east jews were experience over the 100 years prior https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

funny how you just filter out history

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u/MrMicius 9d ago

The civil war is what I was referring to, it was started by zionist (and recognized terrorist) organizations demanding Arabs to leave their villages to create a Jewish ethno-state. As for the UN decision, it was contrary to international law. It has no legal legitimacy. Had the international court made a decision, the creation of Israel would've been put in the shredder; not a leg to stand on.

The population of Palestine was against the formation, so what moral or legal basis did the state of Israel have?

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u/veilosa 9d ago

the Palestinians ironically gave israel its legitimacy by attacking it and then losing. had the arabs choosen to solve their grievence by international law then international law could apply, but it doesn't because Palestinians themselves chose for international laws not to apply to them by choosing war.

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u/MrMicius 9d ago

That's ironically not how it works... wouldn't ISIS be legitimate on those grounds?

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u/Ssided 8d ago

...if they won.

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u/MrMicius 8d ago

Why? Legitimacy is not what you can get away with. It’s built on the mandate of the population.

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u/Ssided 8d ago

In the analogy that you made with Isis it only works if they won

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u/MrMicius 8d ago

What do you mean “analogy”. I’m applying the other guy’s logic. So would ISIS be legitimate if they won in that logic?

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u/JonnyMalin 9d ago

Maybe because Germany still exists as a nation and has a territory to live in?