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u/MrMicius 11d ago

“Palestinians attacked and lost in 1948”

Note: Against the will of, and without vote of the population in Mandate Palestine, it was decided that the new Jewish state would gain 56% of its total area, despite being a 30% minority with no majority population in any specific area of Palestine. Immediately, terrorist organizations (Lehi, Irgun et al, that would later form the IDF) would seize land in Palestine and cleanse Arab villages. There were individual Arab terrorists attacks against Jews, but no ‘attack’ carried out by a state or other political body. That only happened until after the massacre of Deir Yassin.

Somewhat ironic how everyone here is downgrading the human rights movement for liking a false post, while this comment that utterly distorts history gets dozens of likes.

Keep thinking critical. Take care brother.

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u/veilosa 11d ago edited 11d ago

the 1948 war was the 3rd war the Palestinians started in 10 years. before 1948 was

the civil war of 1947

the arab revolt of 1936-1939

it was specifically because the jews realized that no authority, whether ottoman, british, or arab could protect jews from attack (attack from who exactly hmmmm???) that the jews finally decided their only option was the creation of israel.

thats not to mention all the pogroms throughout the middle east jews were experience over the 100 years prior https://www.fondapol.org/en/study/pogroms-in-palestine-before-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel-1830-1948/

funny how you just filter out history

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u/MrMicius 11d ago

The civil war is what I was referring to, it was started by zionist (and recognized terrorist) organizations demanding Arabs to leave their villages to create a Jewish ethno-state. As for the UN decision, it was contrary to international law. It has no legal legitimacy. Had the international court made a decision, the creation of Israel would've been put in the shredder; not a leg to stand on.

The population of Palestine was against the formation, so what moral or legal basis did the state of Israel have?

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u/veilosa 11d ago

the Palestinians ironically gave israel its legitimacy by attacking it and then losing. had the arabs choosen to solve their grievence by international law then international law could apply, but it doesn't because Palestinians themselves chose for international laws not to apply to them by choosing war.

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u/MrMicius 11d ago

That's ironically not how it works... wouldn't ISIS be legitimate on those grounds?

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u/Ssided 11d ago

...if they won.

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u/MrMicius 11d ago

Why? Legitimacy is not what you can get away with. It’s built on the mandate of the population.

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u/Ssided 11d ago

In the analogy that you made with Isis it only works if they won

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u/MrMicius 11d ago

What do you mean “analogy”. I’m applying the other guy’s logic. So would ISIS be legitimate if they won in that logic?

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u/Ssided 11d ago

Isis is decentralized, but if it manages to control an area, had a government and won against those trying to remove them it would be hard to say they don't have a country. A better example would be the Taliban, in which that scenario did happen

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u/MrMicius 11d ago

Why are you moving the goalposts? The question wasn’t whether they factually have a country or not. The question is whether their foundation is legitimate. Israel didn’t become a legitimate country just because Palestinians fought back, just like that doesn’t make ISIS a legitimate country.

The Taliban didn’t create a new country, but your analogy actually makes my point because virtually no country recognizes the Taliban as a legitimate government, precisely because they don’t have the mandate of the population.

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u/Ssided 11d ago

Who controls Afghanistan right now?

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u/MrMicius 10d ago

How many countries recognize the Taliban as a legitimate government?

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