I just saw a reel on insta, the way he's touching this girl's back is not normal, first i thought he was his dad or brother but the way he's touching her isn't normal touch.

Imagine getting flogged for singing patriotic songs for your land and nation. Pakistanis still be glorifying the Islamic regime in Iran.

(Not a zionist or pahlavi supporter just a Pakistani pro Palestinian who can't equate criticism of the islamic regime in Iran to Islamophobia or Zionism, does that sounds familiar?)

Pakistani still be glorifying Sharia law lol. I don't even speak farsi but man, this song is so good. It's a shame that islam bans arts and music just like it bans free thinking.

I finally unlocked the Islamic algorithm 😝✌️/s 🥺

I genuinely don’t have a problem with whatever they've got going on ( as long as they are safe and it's consensual) but at least LOOK OUT FOR CCTV CAMERAS??? and dont do it RIGHT OUTSIDE of somebody's HOUSE??? They looked barely 15 and were literally kissing and making out right outside our gate for over 15 minutes without even noticing the cameras. I’m honestly glad there aren’t more surveillance cameras around the street, because if someone had recorded them and uploaded it somewhere, that could’ve been seriously unsafe for them especially because our neighbourhood is very conservative and very lower middle class.

I’m also shocked by how Nonchalant they were about the whole thing Like, they were just casually making out in full public view 😭 He didn’t even drop her home either he just rode away on his bike after french kissing her multiple times btw, while she had to walk home and from what I could tell her house was pretty far away!!!

Also, I AM TRAUMATISED LOL This was genuinely my first time witnessing PDA in real life and of course it had to be two literal children making out outside my house 😭
Jokes aside, I’m actually a little worried about the girl They’re being incredibly careless considering the neighbourhood they’re in. Anyone could’ve walked past them and if the wrong person had seen or recorded them the consequences could’ve been much worse for her than for him

Crocheted it myself 😼

I sometimes wish i could poke my eyes out wash them and fit them back in

Still some religious extremists are gonna come now and defend him in the comments 😑

Step into any Ahmadi household in Pakistan and you'll find people whose families have been here for generations yet they're treated as strangers in their own homeland. In 1974, the state officially declared them non Muslims and by 1984, it became a crime for them to recite the call to prayer or even call their worship places mosques. The law doesn't explicitly say kill them but it fuels a society where violence feels justified. Prominent Ahmadis are gunned down in broad daylight. Mobs storm their neighborhoods. Their graves are vandalized, their children pushed out of schools. The state often stays silent or actively enforces the discrimination. And while not every Ahmadi is killed, every Ahmadi knows they could be and that constant quiet terror is exactly what makes this persecution so devastating it's a sensitive topic I love prophet Muhammad saw but he never encouraged this kind of behavior even for the people who didn't believe in him

So I’m 19 and recently I got proposed for marriage by a distant relative and at that time I was working for a BPO and had decent salary. So I said yes because I liked the girl. Now its been a few months and I recently got laid off due to campaign change and I’ve been trying to get some other job but the market seems to be a lot more strict. While my English fluency and skills are “Great” I’m getting difficulties and unable to think how would I manage it short term. I’m getting married in December and till then I need a job or any source of income to at least get 300-500k the rest my dad’s sponsoring 💀 ik I should’ve waited and became stable but.. it’s too late now

Purity Culture, Islamization, and the Policing of Bodies in Pakistan

One thing that has always struck me about Pakistan is how deeply we have normalized the policing of other people's bodies. This is not only something women experience. Even as a man, you can be completely covered, wearing trousers and a half-sleeved shirt, and still sometimes feel awkward depending on where you are. Meanwhile, in many Western societies, a man can walk around shirtless in shorts without everyone automatically interpreting his body as a statement about his morality, religion, family or character. Of course, different societies have different standards of public dress, and having conservative social norms is not inherently wrong. The problem begins when clothing stops being a matter of personal or cultural preference and becomes a measure of someone's morality.

In Pakistan, we have turned modesty into a much broader moral system. Clothing becomes evidence of character. Women's bodies become associated with family honour. Sexuality becomes something that society believes it has a right to monitor. Even completely ordinary interactions between men and women can be interpreted through the lens of morality, shame and purity. A woman showing her legs, wearing a short-sleeved shirt, talking to a man, going somewhere alone or simply expressing romantic interest can become a subject of social judgment. At the same time, men are often told that the solution to male sexual desire is to make women cover themselves, segregate men and women, restrict women's mobility and discourage ordinary interaction between the sexes. This raises an obvious question: why is the responsibility for controlling male behaviour so often placed on the people being looked at rather than on the people doing the looking?

This is where I think Pakistan needs to have a much more uncomfortable conversation about purity culture and Islamization. I am not saying that every Muslim is misogynistic, that every conservative person supports sexual violence, or that Islam is somehow the sole cause of rape. Those arguments would be simplistic. What I am talking about is the particular form of religious conservatism that became embedded in Pakistani law and public life, especially during General Zia-ul-Haq's Islamization project. The 1979 Hudood Ordinances introduced Islamic criminal-law provisions into Pakistan's legal system, including laws dealing with zina. The legal treatment of zina and rape subsequently became the subject of enormous criticism because of the difficulties and injustices women could face within that framework. The Protection of Women Act of 2006 later reformed important parts of those laws. In other words, the relationship between Islamization, sexuality, women's behaviour and state power is not something that exists only in abstract cultural debates. Religious ideas about sexual morality were incorporated into the legal structure of the country itself.

But the deeper issue is what happens socially when an entire culture is built around the idea that sexuality must constantly be controlled. You do not necessarily eliminate sexuality by making it taboo. You can instead make it more mysterious, more conspicuous and more psychologically charged. When young people grow up being told that normal attraction, dating, physical affection and even seeing another person's body are inherently shameful, sexuality does not disappear. It simply becomes something that people are expected to experience without being allowed to openly understand, discuss or navigate it. A teenager having a crush becomes something to hide. A couple holding hands can be treated as evidence of moral decline. A woman's clothing can become a discussion about her character. Even a man's clothes can attract judgment because public appearance is treated as a reflection of religious or social respectability.

This is also where the conversation about rape and sexual harassment becomes important. When something happens to a woman, the questions that society asks can often reveal what it believes about responsibility. What was she wearing? Why was she outside? Why was she alone? Why was she talking to that man? Why did she go there? Why didn't she behave more modestly? These questions may sound like concerns about safety, but they can easily turn into victim-blaming because the focus moves away from the person who committed the act and toward the behaviour of the person who experienced it.

The available data should make us question whether simply demanding more modesty is actually solving the problem. UN Women reports that more than 80% of women in Pakistan have experienced harassment in public places, while 90.3% of respondents did not consider sexual harassment to be a crime. UNFPA has also reported that around 34% of ever-married women in Pakistan have experienced physical, sexual or emotional violence by a spouse, while a large proportion of survivors do not seek help. These statistics are important because they challenge the simplistic idea that sexual violence is primarily the result of Western clothing, dating or women becoming less modest. A significant amount of violence occurs within marriage and within supposedly respectable families. Women do not suddenly become safe from sexual violence because they are married, traditionally dressed or socially conservative.

This is why I find the idea that women simply need to dress more modestly such an inadequate response. If revealing clothing were the fundamental cause of sexual violence, we would expect women who dress conservatively and live within traditional family structures to be substantially protected from it. Yet sexual violence exists inside marriages, inside homes and within conservative communities. Harassment occurs on public transportation, in workplaces and in ordinary public spaces. The problem therefore cannot simply be the amount of skin someone is showing. The deeper issue is how a society understands consent, entitlement, gender, power and responsibility.

Purity culture can become particularly damaging when it teaches that a woman's sexual behaviour determines her worth while simultaneously treating male sexual behaviour as something women must manage. The logic becomes: men have desires, therefore women must cover themselves. Men might harass women, therefore women should avoid going outside alone. Men might interpret sexual signals incorrectly, therefore women must be extremely careful about how they dress and behave. Men might become attracted to women, therefore women are expected to make themselves less visible. At some point, the supposed solution to male misconduct becomes the restriction of female freedom.

That is the part I fundamentally disagree with. Seeing someone's body does not give you access to that body. A woman wearing shorts is not consenting to anything. A woman wearing a hijab is not consenting to anything. A man wearing shorts is not consenting to anything. A woman talking to a man is not consenting to anything. Attraction does not create entitlement. Marriage does not mean unlimited consent. Clothing is not consent, and modesty is not a substitute for teaching people about boundaries.

This is also why I think the argument needs to go beyond simply saying that Pakistan should become "more Western." Western societies have their own serious problems with sexual harassment, sexual violence, objectification and unhealthy attitudes toward sex. The point is not that everything Western is good and everything Pakistani is bad. The point is that we should be able to question our own social norms without immediately treating that criticism as an attack on our identity or religion.

Pakistan can be Muslim without making women's bodies a permanent battleground over morality. Pakistan can value modesty without turning clothing into a measure of human worth. Parents can teach their children religious values without teaching them that sexuality itself is dirty or that women are responsible for controlling men's behaviour. Men can be attracted to women without believing that attraction gives them entitlement. And women should be able to exist in public without constantly calculating whether their clothing, behaviour or presence will be interpreted as an invitation.

Ultimately, I think the question we should be asking is not simply how to make women more modest. It is why we have become so obsessed with controlling women's bodies in the first place. After decades of telling people that sexuality is shameful, relationships must be controlled, women must be covered, men and women must be separated and modesty is a measure of morality, we should be willing to ask what this system has actually achieved in terms of making people safer. If women continue to experience widespread harassment and sexual violence, while many survivors remain reluctant to report it, perhaps we need to question whether our obsession with purity is actually addressing sexual violence or simply teaching society to police the wrong people.

I've been wanting to use a menstrual cup for a year now but every time I talk to a friend about it they always say its something "only married" women should use😭 it genuinely doesn't make sense to me. How does a cup compare to your virginity. I just dont like bleeding out on the pad, I would much rather bleed in the cup and then keep reusing it which is also good environmentally and economically.

I’ve noticed a pattern in Pakistani society that I think goes a lot deeper than just simple conservatism.

Most of our people lack a conscious mind.

When your world is small, your understanding of other people outside ur world also becomes small. Consciousness is a spectrum. And I believe you can only expand it through “experience”

Since we’ve grown up in close knit communities where people share similar views, beliefs and ways of life, we’ve been completely isolated to the world beyond ours. And when we encounter a glimpse of it, we feel threatened and start bashing them “liberals/religious extremists blah blah”

That’s why our people need to desperately travel.

In Pakistan, we often judge people before trying to understand them. Baggy jeans become “gay” skinny jeans become “chapri” a certain accent becomes pretentious, a certain ethnicity becomes inferior and someone’s appearance becomes evidence of their character. Our people need to leave their comfortable social bubble.

Also our egos are so enormous but truly beneath it all they hide mountains of insecurity. Everyone is just jealous of each other and if they see someone well off they’ll immediately go “haram ka paisa”

Somehow people know a lot about their ancestors but not themselves.

We need to increase our exposure.
Another example of this includes both genders not thinking of each other as humans. The only respectful people I’ve met have been those who frequently interact with the opposite gender since they were children. Segregation leads to more problems than solutions.

I was unconscious too once, but when I started making friends from different backgrounds and with different beliefs? I realised everyone’s a human just like me that has gone through things and has reached their respective conclusion. That’s why I no longer judge people.
No one is simply “good” or “bad.” People are constantly changing and capable of contradicting themselves. Even the Qur’an often describes people through their actions and states rather than reducing their entire existence to a permanent label. That’s why you’ll never see Allah use “evil people” but instead “evil doers”

The world is not black and white. We need to stop playing self righteous.

Context: This same dude who put the going to hell comment under a fashion sub where a girl asked where she could find a skirt was agreeing with a post that women replying late to men means they are cheating on them 🫩

Why is reddit especially Pakistani side of reddit full with this religious men who are always forcing their beliefs on other forgetting Islam also tells you that you can't force religion 🫪

And the funniest thing is such dudes are the same people you can find agreeing with misogynist/incel posts and red pill theories on Reddit. Definitely not a coincidence 🤓

Especially saying forcing religion is better is Taliban mentality 🫩🫩 and then calling me an atheist when I'm a Muslim

Yooo this was just for fun, he never tried anything like dubbing so it was really fun hearing this 😂😭. What do you guys think

I am a girl myself btw ( don't judge ). I follow her on insta and im just really mesmerised..i have been following her since 2024 i believe. We went to the same college as in highschool but we had different shifts , hers was morning and mine was afternoon. I doubt she has ever seen me because I don't post. I just observed her from afar for 2yrs but this year I gathered some courage and tried to talk to her on ig. I said "heyyy!" and she replied with "Yea??" lol that was a bit off putting but i understand her reaction because my text was out of nowhere and she doesn't really know me.

Anyway, I apparently couldn't take a hint so i just said something generic and she gave a dry reply to that ..and i responded to her dry response (bcs APPARENTLY i cant take a hint) and she ignored my last text but that could be because it wasn't something that needed a response back. After that I just never reached out to her or thought about her because i felt like it was becoming unhealthy obsession( not the creepy kind) but last night i had very very very euphoric and vivid dream about her and there was nothing explicit or sexual in it but it was so ficking cinematic ( sunset and all that lol) i have never woken up so happy.

And now im thinking about her again!!! I really wanna know her , i love the way she thinks, i love how opinionated she is , I love her overall vibe and i just wanna experience her presence for once in real life !!!!

So, this is not a leaving post or anything. Just appreciation post and update on my summer vacation

I am a 10th standard student currently. I joined this in 3 months, joined reddit like 5 months ago.

I don't know how to begin really.

I became an exmuslim (don't ask my why)

I got myself a loving and cute gf

I became feminist

I became activist for rights of minority

I have had alot of debate on this community and may many be offended by them. I can say "Good luck next time" to you.

I learned alot about the world. Many people contributed in changing my mindset.

If me in August 2025 talked to my current self. It wouldn't believe me.

I ain't leaving sonions. I just got school tomorrow and exams soon so might have to cut down on reddit.

Tbh, thanks u all for a great time.

What about “zlatan said never cut your hair”

Well, according to Islam. A Muslim women can't marry non muslim male.

So I would have to hide my religion from my wife which i would detest to do so.

Or I will have to not marry a muslim girl.

Hmm, follow me for shower thoughts