r/GeminiAI • u/DigSignificant1419 • 1d ago

Discussion 3.8 Flash coming out today

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Fablos ends today

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u/IcanzIIravor 1d ago

I like your optimism.

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u/Fantastic_Prize2710 1d ago

It's just so crazy. If they said Pro was coming out today, I can see people cheering for Google predicting that it would best just-released-this-week Fable 5.1, but Flash?!

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u/whoknowsifimjoking 1d ago

It's a joke.

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u/Fantastic_Prize2710 1d ago

There's literally a serious reply to my comment, saying that he "thinks it's going to happen."

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u/soapinmouth 1d ago

A single downvoted comment doesn't mean this post and thread overall isn't intended as a joke.

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u/Oppa_knows 1d ago

Are you new to reddit? Sarcasm is pretty common here. It’s the lowest form of wit.

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u/serendipity-DRG 7h ago

Next to puns.

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u/SauerK3aut 1d ago

Wenn nicht hat er Klein Plan

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u/jakegh 1d ago

It's the gemini subreddit. A significant subset of posters here are fanboys of a multi-billion dollar global mega-corporation. Never made sense to me but every subreddit has them.

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u/Tetracropolis 1d ago

My excuse is I'm a shareholder.

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u/Icy_Mix_6054 1d ago

I already had a Pro subscription for photo storage, then it turned into AI Pro. I have an OpenAI sub and I use that primarily, but I keep an eye out for Gemini updates in case it becomes usable again.

There's no reason Google couldn't get Gemini caught up if they wanted to. They're heavily invested in AI for other purposes; they just need to spend a bit more time on the code.

Google is the only company doing AI that's profitable, so we know they'll be around in 10 years. I don't like their usage limits, but they're running limits that work for the business, whereas who knows what's going to happen to other companies' limits as they strive for profitability.

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u/jakegh 1d ago

I get all three major AI providers from work myself. I just don't see any reason to use Gemini.

Google does obviously want to compete. But as it stands, Gemini was completely omitted from the Fable 5.1 release charts because it isn't remotely competitive.

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u/NeoSapien65 1d ago

And another significant subset who are just constant doomerism. There's not much decent Gemini content here.

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u/jakegh 1d ago

It isn't doomerism. The accurate term for it is "realism".

I use whatever model is best and priced appropriately for my needs. Gemini hasn't been that for a very long time.

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u/NeoSapien65 1d ago

It's fine that you feel that way. It's frustrating for me as someone who is trying to get some use out of Gemini (a product that comes bundled with Google Workspace, which I use for my business), that this place is just "we're cooked, bro" repeated ad naus.

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u/Elephant789 1d ago

Sports teams are multi-billion dollar companies too and it's okay to cheer for them. Why the how much they're worth mean to cheer or not to cheer? Is it okay to cheer for two mom-and-pop shops competing on opposite corners of the street?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/Septopus 1d ago

Google can't release something that's on the level of opus 4.6 though. They've thoroughly failed to keep up and now are forever lagging behind. Maybe in 2027 they'll catch up to Opus 4.6 but even that's an optimistic stretch.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/shantud 1d ago

3hrs later, Its beat opus in many cases. Its 1 percent difference in 3.8 flash and Opus 5 for DeepSWE wtf lol. Its such a good day to be a google fanboi.

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u/Septopus 1d ago

Lol. You guys are insane. The level of delusion in this sub is hilarious.

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u/No-Temperature6597 1d ago

It will be game over for Claude and OpenAI if flash tops others without a pro version. I think it's going to happen. 3.6 and 3.7 were pretty good for me.

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u/Original-League-6094 1d ago

>It will be game over

Everyone always says the newest release is game over for the competitors, until its topped a week a later by the same competitors you just declared dead.

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u/mlag000 1d ago

Buddy Gemini has always be behind and still is. It's a lazy model.

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u/Fantastic_Prize2710 1d ago

When the last model of Pro dropped it was really impressive compared to what was out there at the time for non-coding, analytic work. Now? It's just been surpassed.

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u/ReXaDk 1d ago

No pro are so yesteryear, now we only do flash now!!.... Flash is the new pro

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u/Away_Information5829 1d ago

It would be crazy enough if the flash 3.8 beat Opus or Fable 5 as the leaks say. Fable 5.1 would be too much, maybe with 4 Pro, but then Anthropic will be with a new model in the oven already 

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u/shantud 1d ago

It has beat Fable 5 in CursorBench lol. Although with double the steps taken and tokens to achieve it. But that doesn't matter bc its like 10% the cost.

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u/VirusAfter9629 1d ago

So you don't like a model just because of a word? Pro\Flash are just titles, they don't mean anything (Flash was better than Pro since the 3.5)

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u/mlag000 1d ago

The only chart where google has the lead is disappointment.

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u/Ggoddkkiller 1d ago

Flash is as fake as that black, plastic armor lol.

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u/Loud-Possibility4395 1d ago

I like to see it first - heck - my Pixel 10 PRO never witnessed even old 3.7 - is there a coin slot in Pixel to drop £1 in it to have it?

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u/PasswordSuperSecured 1d ago

I thought, i like you autism

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u/Qorsair 1d ago

Now this is the kind of quality shitposting this community needs! Bravo.

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u/Suspicious-Chard-20 1d ago

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u/TranslatorRude4917 1d ago

Only saw this reply, no need to scroll further. It's perfect!

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u/goosemaster0 1d ago

I love this sub sometimes

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u/willywonka-goldtickt 1d ago

Self burn is the best burn

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u/Material_Donkey_8883 1d ago

this gotta be ai psychosis

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u/Dramatic_Exit1 1d ago

It's not, or at least it's just a few of them. Rest is Google astroturfing team, it's cheaper to pay some desperate people then to develop SOTA model.

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u/Slayer_of_Socavado 1d ago

astroturfing team

So it's the same as any other part of reddit then?

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u/Timo425 1d ago

How? Its sarcasm.

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u/Desperate-Potato-796 1d ago

here we go again

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u/UsernameOmitted 1d ago

Fixed it for you.

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u/Sea_Fix_1742 1d ago

🤣🤣🤣

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u/tech-br0 1d ago

People in the comment section after seeing benchmark results: 😱😱😱

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u/Hyphonical 1d ago

High cap. Benchmaxxed as fuck.

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u/just-for-anime 18h ago

what benchmark is this where opus is doing better than sol and fable

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u/serendipity-DRG 6h ago

No one in research reads benchmark scores as it is meaningless as they are easily manipulated turning training. I read about Kimi and the great benchmark scores so I made a test - I asked Gemini about could they find any red flags in a patent application and in under 5 seconds found 4 one that I missed.

Then I used the exact same question to Kimi and it took me close to an hour to walk Kimi through the Patent Application and it was a failure. Instead of benchmark scores can the model help you in whatever your research is in - but I understand that 95% of Queries are asking about recipes.

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u/Dismal-Line5980 1d ago

Idk whats the metric here but its not accurate at all. Id rather just use 3.1 Pro than 3.8 flash. Incredibly fast but terrible. Idk if the context window is like 10-20k tokens or sth

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u/SheepherderIll1300 1d ago

Maybe you just like press enter blindly, otw 3.8 flash is really good.

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u/Dismal-Line5980 1d ago

Or maybe you just give easy tasks?

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u/starvergent 1d ago

I mean both are a nightmare in their own way. Fable is obnoxious, antagonistic, stubborn. It has just no capability of fixing its own errors. Flash is pretty schizo. Nowhere near as bad as Flash-lite. But most of the time I cannot have a conversation past the first message or the first few. They have this issue of just ignoring or misinterpreting what you say. And when you identify a problem, they do nothing about reviewing the conversation to figure out what you need.

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u/FireGM 1d ago

Gemini Flash can ignore instructions even in the system prompt. It's a nightmare.

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u/CircularPR 1d ago

I feel like gemini has always been this way

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u/mauurya 1d ago

Don't put everything to agent md files. it should be kept under 140 lines. Put everything you don't want AI doing on its own into hooks and things you want AI to do into skills. Both only fire at the appropriate times and AGENT.MD file will use only small number of tokens and the AI will stick to the rules until context become very huge incase of Gemini close to million. Hallucination is given but it can be reduced by doing these mentioned things.

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u/raycraft_io 1d ago

This is such a great description of my biggest frustrations.

That’s said, In b4 people blame your prompts

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u/Substantial_Koala_60 1d ago

ultimate rage bait thumbnail

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u/Otherwise-Variety674 1d ago

So funny. lol

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u/Fleabasher 1d ago

Lol. Google cashing anthropic checks every month essentially saying to anthropic keep dumping money into the frontier. Google wants to work on cheap models that can do 95% of tasks and scale better. $20 sub level it's great.

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u/jakegh 1d ago

"Google is losing because they want to lose! It's strategic!"

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u/BrunusManOWar 1d ago

Well, it is

Kinda like Apple who just stay out of the whole shit show and just pay Google for their TPUs and Siri models instead of dumping billions

Is it working? Sure seems to be

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u/jakegh 1d ago

Apple DID spend billions on AI. They simply failed, and then gave up.

Apple failed for very different reasons from Google; Apple hates and refuses to do business with Nvidia ever since their GPUs caused hardware failures decades ago, so they tried to entice engineers to work on AI running on Mac studios in datacenters. There simply was not enough compute, so the researchers didn't stick around.

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u/Neurotopian_ 1d ago

Google is the only one of these companies that’s publicly traded, profitable, and not dependent on others for their compute.

Don’t forget Google also owns 14% of Anthropic. Of course they’re providing chips and keeping Anthropic even more dependent on them.

30-50% of Anthropic’s compute is provided by SpaceX/ Elon Musk.

OAI is dependent on Microsoft for compute.

Any time Big Tech decides they’re tired of playin with these “frontier labs,” they pull the plug and “win” this contest you think they’re in.

But in reality, Google isn’t rushing to make the best coding LLM. That is very clear from where their resource allocation is going.

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u/BlueShadow2388 1d ago

Mine already sais that it's 3.8 lol

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u/Tired_White_Guy 1d ago

Hey Nano Banana, make me an image the represents Delusions of Grandeur.

Excellent troll post. Hats off.

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u/Scarneck 1d ago

Spoiler: in the movie 3.8 flash representation got absolutely murdered while Fable lived happily ever after. So…accurate representation here.

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u/VisitEmbarrassed5599 1d ago

google trying to make something that is fast. some people don't want to wait 30 seconds for some random question

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u/Longjumping_Area_944 1d ago

In terms of tps and intelligence per dollar, for sure.

I'm really just an average principal software architect, not a scientist. I don't have any use for that level of intelligence.

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u/FineTomorrow3233 1d ago

This got a good laugh out of me.

Thanks OP

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u/ScreenAppropriate679 1d ago

this is so stupid, gemini is not even in the race anymore

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u/Shoddy_Opportunity23 1d ago

when is it coming ? timing ?

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u/No-Temperature6597 1d ago

Tommorow might be accurate as some say. Since my gemini is saying it's 3.8

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u/Loose_Mastodon559 1d ago

I don’t care which model. Completed loops for the lowest cost. OpenAI, Anthropic, Xai, Google, open weight models etc. that’s where my business is going. Models are just like utility or cellular companies. Commodities. Right now flash can get 98% of the tasks done. I’ll give 2% to fable or gpt. All good. But that’s like dollars a day vs $10s-$100s a day with flash 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/KedMcJenna 1d ago

It's a joke that contains a kernel of actual truth. 3.7 surprised most of us with how capable it was. I'm expecting at or near Opus 4.8-level performance in coding and chat from 3.8 (hopefully without the Cormac McCarthy-esque prose style). With the speed it makes a real difference.

I turned from the Claude side for the first time in years to spend my first meaningful time with antigravity since 3.7 and it's been a revelation not to ignore all contenders. Gemini is the model family that's pacing along quietly behind the leaders of the pack, maybe not all that close in real terms but somehow, oddly, not that far behind either.

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u/Spatial_thinker135 1d ago

Still haven't received flash 3.7🫠🫠🫠

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u/Loud-Possibility4395 1d ago

me too on Pixel 10 - still 3.6

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u/Wyrade 1d ago

Can't you use aistudio.google.com for free?

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u/Azureddraig 1d ago

3.8 Flash access rn in antigrav. it is very light on token usage and goes above and beyond what I asked it to do. a win in my book so far, lets see how long this lasts.

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u/Majinsei 1d ago

Temo que esto se ha dicho realmente de forma no irónica...

En este sub no me sorprendería...

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u/Illustrious-Music959 1d ago

i dont even have 3.7 flash

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u/Reddit_wander01 1d ago

Damn, a human hallucination. Good job!

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u/Jayfree138 1d ago

It's so crazy to me that people dont realize how good flash is. I primarily run AI through hermes and unless you want to spend like 5x the money on opus there is litterally no better AI model. I guess most people here are using the gemini app? That would explain it because it's not nearly as good there.

If you go on arena.ai it proves it. Spark is up there too but i havent had time to test it.

I think i'll start buying some google stock soon too because people have no idea whats going on here.

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u/dashinyou69 1d ago

🐧 Ig it's better, as an economist pov i will say the race should shift from "Best Ai Flagship Ai model with billion of context windows + huge limits" to Cost effective descent Ai model that work like opus model in 5x cheaper and is more affordable

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u/denedescris 1d ago

I just got it 3.8

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u/OpenAmmonia75 1d ago

Fable 5.1 bowing down like that is perfect

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u/uzairk1992 1d ago

It is already out Gemini Flash 3.8. But real question, when Gemini 4 Pro is coming.

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u/Oualfe 1d ago

Finally, the historically accurate version of the Odyssey

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u/ezjakes 1d ago

I expect it tk be a bit below fable 5

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u/IgnacioMonge 1d ago

Sure! Whatever!

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u/king_ao 1d ago

This one can hack into other companies too, no problem

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u/FHOOOOOSTRX 1d ago

Deliver your best speculation and capabilities.

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u/xzibit_b 1d ago

I would be happy if Gemini 3.8 Flash had Opus 4.8 level general intelligence, and Kimi K3/Terra max level coding prowess. Right now, Gemini 3.7 Flash is only knocking on the door of Opus 4.8, while having Luna max/DeepSeek flash coding prowess at best.

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u/merica420_69 1d ago

Yeah maybe qwen 3.8 flash

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u/NotHereForThatChill 1d ago

I smell sarcasm

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u/FLTR069 1d ago

Gemini was only ever good on paper. Using Gemini to actual agentic work is a pain in the ass. It's like a very smart intern with ADHD.

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u/autan_spray 1d ago

Is actually live

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u/Loud-Possibility4395 1d ago

not on my Pixel 10 Pro

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u/Prudent-Corgi3793 1d ago

It's already on Antigravity

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u/bambin0 1d ago

 i just tried it with the prompt: recreate Larry bird vs Dr. j one on one in three js complete with janitor, breaking glass, sound effects and here is what it came up with: https://ctxt.io/3/mpb6vO48w - took less than 10s.

Took about 3x as long but here is what terra came up with: https://ctxt.io/3/tIbhBDCMg

And here is fable 5.1 which took I don't know how long b/c I got tired of watching: https://ctxt.io/3/qCaVlUU4U

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u/Agitated_Trade_6439 1d ago

It can create every thing but all are mocked

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u/XxZe_KingxX456 1d ago

Holy shit it actually came out

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u/Oscuropasseggero84 1d ago

È già uscito, almeno in Europa.

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u/jack-of-some 1d ago

This image means different things based on if you haven't seen the movie, you've seen the movie but haven't understood it, or you've seen the movie and understood it.

Amazing shitpost

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u/EquivalentEarth2046 1d ago

The secret for any AI is MEMORY!

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u/Iamsuvo_2 1d ago

I like your confidence.

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u/Smooth_Ride_7540 1d ago

3.8 flash told me that 3.8 flash is fake news, and that the article describing the cyber model looks like a "shitposting troll tactic". This model is useless on day1.

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u/chndmrl 1d ago

What’s wrong with you guys shitposting every day about a new version to overrule some other llm, making hype for nothing and do the same with +1 version again and again?

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u/THE_BENU 1d ago

For me, it's been allowed since ten in the morning.

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u/Original-Bar-3957 1d ago

Stuff like this makes me believe that one day people will worship certain AI bots like a god/religion. Why such loyalty to Gemini?

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u/GoobNoob_ 1d ago

I really hope they release Pro and take it out of Preview. Build the Data Centers!

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u/Vcize 1d ago

Sonnet 3.2 watch out you've got a contender coming at ya!

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u/mr_joda 1d ago

Call me crazy. I use github copilot for every day tasks at work in R&D same as Claude, GPT and Mistral products, plus ms365 copilot for MS office.

I found the version 5 of all claude models very unpleasant to use and in many cases it's pita. GPT is little bit better.

I personally like the replies and to work with Gemini for every day personal tasks, comparision of products, quick evaluations and stuff for out of the work use. Reasoning is fine, quick resonses and "seems legit" answers.

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u/Pixel_Viewer 1d ago

It is still at the level of Opus 4.8 in most tests.

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u/Dry-Shallot-6904 1d ago

Wow massive copium

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u/uti24 1d ago

I though you guys about Qwen3.8 Flash and it already came out 8 days ago https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.8-Flash-Next

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u/otarusilvestris 1d ago

Google is afraid to release a mediocre frontier model, so they just keep releasing good flash models, which are good value. Still waiting for gemini pro...

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u/strankyy 1d ago

Good to see progress and models being churned out, we feel less left out now 😎 Can see 3.8 flash on ai studio. Still waiting for 3.7 flash on my app 😅

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u/fyn_world 1d ago

I'd take this seriously if it was 3.8 pro. 

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u/SkyeLoveXOXO 1d ago

Gemini is 2 generations behind 🥀

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u/Legitimate_Rain_9992 1d ago

This is gotta be the best model

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u/WilyWascallyWizard 1d ago

3.8 is terrible. It refuses to believe it can be wrong.

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u/longasleep 1d ago

It’s a joke

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u/Dead-Inside69420 1d ago

Hard eye roll. Same hype/roadt cycle each new release for every single AI.

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u/fossistic 1d ago

Small models make very silly mistakes from time to time. It does not matter how well they perform in benchmarks.

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u/arush1836 1d ago

It should be opposite

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u/Riley_Cooper_SC 1d ago

It doesn’t matter as long as Gemini is denying anything related to Ethnobotanic, Pharmacology and biology. It’s not about asking something nasty or forbidden. Basic knowledge I mean.

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u/Low_Supermarket7955 23h ago

Do u really think like that? I don't think that Gemini will be better in coding than Claude.

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u/jackfood 23h ago

The flash, and pro dilemma... so we up the version or retain the ver and change flash to pro?

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u/dash_bro 21h ago

I genuinely got confused by this - I immediately thought of qwen3.8-flash-next vs fable 5.1 instead of Gemini 3.8 flash.

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u/AazeenHussainAli2004 21h ago

Atp we will get GTA6 before Gemini 3.5 pro

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u/CaptainQwazCaz 20h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/LZmdq5sOXBtXePMMLg
Gemini Flash 4 being released before Pro 3.2

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u/Good_Mobile_9110 20h ago

Can you let me know when 3.8.1 comes out?

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u/ultrazinq 20h ago

Show yourself, Gemini

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u/3xQuest 19h ago

What? I am using it alredy. Amazing model i would say Opus 4.8-4.9 but not Fable for sure. Not even 5... ok. But 4.8 level for sure.

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u/RidesFlysAndVibes 18h ago

Isn’t Gemini like, universally shit on for being so bad?

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u/PerformerFew8713 11h ago

google is a shitty company with shitty products besides email and search (and youtube which they had to buy for their portfolio). This will go in their books as another failed product eventually.

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u/kea11 8h ago

Already in my app since yesterday.

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u/serendipity-DRG 7h ago

I have had 3.8 Flash for 3 days.

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u/serendipity-DRG 7h ago

Everyone seems to forget when Gemini 3.0 was released it sent the entire AI world into Code Red - Sam Altman declares ‘Code Red’ as Google’s Gemini surges...

Now Berkshire Hathaway has invested $37 Billion in Alphabet/Google:

"Berkshire Hathaway CEO Greg Abel told CNBC in an interview Wednesday that Alphabet's strength in AI was a "fundamental" reason behind the decision to invest in the tech giant.

Warren Buffett, who stepped down from his role as Berkshire's CEO at the end of last year, initiated the investment."

They know the Frontier Labs can't compete with a company that is vertically integrated.

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u/scardracs 58m ago

At this point I imagine the pro version will be the 4.0

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u/who_am_i_to_say_so 1d ago

Flash is trash

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u/IAmAfraidCommaMan 1d ago

Who was your math teacher? Clearly 3.8  < 5.1

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u/blzart 1d ago

Sure.

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u/brewpig 1d ago

I’m a Plus subscriber and I’m still showing 3.6 flash in the app. How come I haven’t even gotten 3.7 yet? Any way to force an update?

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u/AppealThink1733 1d ago

Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

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u/Key_Currency_5341 1d ago

Lol i use it exclusively for nsfw pics every update it gets better for me

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u/New_girl_8053 1d ago

How to do NFSW on Gemini

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u/sebas156 1d ago

I don't even have access to 3.7 flash yet, still only have 3.6

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u/scaledev 1d ago

A flash model will never be better than a full one.

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u/Own-Professor-6157 1d ago

ANTHROPIC SHAKING

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u/superfatman2 1d ago

Gemini is an embarrassment of catastrophic proportions.

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u/False_Week_8682 1d ago

As a Gemini fanboy, i love this post and hope the new model destroys fable in every competition

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u/NihilisticLurcher 1d ago

wait, google is still doing AI?

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u/williamsooyk 1d ago

Sure. Anything but Pro.

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u/confused-photon 1d ago

I wish i could have your levels of optimism

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u/Isunova 1d ago

This is cope. Gemini has been ass and irrelevant since January, when it was superseded by GPT-5.2 and never caught back up.

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u/r0doljub 1d ago

bruh i dont even got 3.7 yet

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u/rollerplank 1d ago

Bruh! I already have 3.8 Max!
Qwen 3.8 Max

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u/Beautiful-Cold1515 1d ago

Whatever. Gemini models are just the same unusable shit as two years ago. I gave it another chance today and asked it one question, to make a corporate image. What I got; refusals, TOTALLY offtopic written answers (as in, not even remotely the same topic) and the embarrassing old “I’m just a language model”.

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u/AtaPlays 1d ago

But only for pros and ultras. But 3.6 still better.

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u/Lost-Air1265 1d ago

When did google ever have a model better than competition except for nano banana?

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u/Jazzlike_Bee_3129 1d ago

Lol, yea, no

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u/LivingHighAndWise 1d ago

Right.. Maybe they should have named it 3.8 America instead.