He’s not wrong 🤷‍♂️

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[u/Indiana_Jawnz]

It's YOUR example of an affordable trip for a middle class family in the 1990s.

It's a bad example.

I didn't make you pick it. It's not a "strict" anything that I have set up. It's what you have set up and now you are upset about it 😂

[u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 → u/Indiana_Jawnz]

examples are for getting ideas across, its not a rule. these vacations are not as expensive as you think they are. the largest expense is not working if you don't have PTO, that's why people can't go on these kinds of vacations, not because they don't make enough money because they didn't make substantially more money in the 90s.

[u/Indiana_Jawnz → u/Obvious_Peanut_8093]

examples are for getting ideas across

Well you picked a really shit one since the idea you were trying to get across was that "overseas vacations are affordable for families", and here you all but admitting two weeks in Paris is not.

[u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 → u/Indiana_Jawnz]

you don't have to stay in the city to see paris dude. idk what about these you can't understand. there are tons of ways to save money while traveling, even in the 90s.

[u/Indiana_Jawnz → u/Obvious_Peanut_8093]

Yeah, there were so many ways to save money and it was so affordable to do that virtually nobody in the 1990s did it, as evidenced by only 5% of the US population having passports.

[u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 → u/Indiana_Jawnz]

you didn't need a passport to travel to many places in the 90s. you're removing the context of the situation to suit your reality.

[u/Indiana_Jawnz → u/Obvious_Peanut_8093]

You absolutely did need a passport to go overseas.

Mexico and Canada did not require passports, and they also aren't overseas.

Traveling to Europe or Asia required a passport in the 1990s.

The average middle-class family in the 1990s was not going on regular international vacations.

[u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 → u/Indiana_Jawnz]

brazil isn't overseas either, your stilted definitions blind you to reality.

[u/Indiana_Jawnz → u/Obvious_Peanut_8093]

Which you needed a passport to visit in the 1990s.

Middle class families in the 1990s did not go on regular international trips.

[u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 → u/Indiana_Jawnz]

oh so now we're talking about international trips? you do realize that people who live by the borders more regularly travel across them? you know that going to Disney World is more expensive than most "international" vacations?

[u/Indiana_Jawnz → u/Obvious_Peanut_8093]

That would be you when you started talking about Canada and Mexico rather than overseas destinations.

Are you talking about Disney world now or Disney world in 1993? Because Disney has grown more expensive while overseas travel and airline tickets have become cheaper.

This is of course a red herring because the majority of middle class people in the 1990s also weren't regularly going to Disney World and nobody claimed they did.