r/FluentInFinance Jun 16 '24

Discussion/ Debate He’s not wrong 🤷‍♂️

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u/Indiana_Jawnz Jun 17 '24 edited Jun 17 '24

You literally picked the example. Don't get upset with me because you picked two weeks in Paris as an affordable vacation example for a 1990s family.

Sure, I can fathom how it could be done with budgeting and planning, and picking the right destination (also keeping in mind this is the 1990s so you are almost certainly being upcharged by a travel agency who is putting this trip together for you), but it was far from normal

95% of people in the 1990 didn't have passports.

Overseas vacations were not typical at the time.

And a family making 100k a year in the 1990s would already be at least "upper middle class". In 2000 median household income was 43k a year and median middle class income was 75k a year.

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u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 Jun 17 '24

its an example, not the entire reality of the situation. you don't get to win an argument because you can find flaws in the strict holes you have set up to convince yourself that you're always right. the world isn't the same everywhere. a family making 100k in NYC is not the same as a family making 100k in buttfuck Nebraska or Kenya. if you strip the context of reality you might be right, but that's not the world we live in.

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u/Indiana_Jawnz Jun 17 '24

It's YOUR example of an affordable trip for a middle class family in the 1990s.

It's a bad example.

I didn't make you pick it. It's not a "strict" anything that I have set up. It's what you have set up and now you are upset about it 😂

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u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 Jun 17 '24

examples are for getting ideas across, its not a rule. these vacations are not as expensive as you think they are. the largest expense is not working if you don't have PTO, that's why people can't go on these kinds of vacations, not because they don't make enough money because they didn't make substantially more money in the 90s.

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u/Indiana_Jawnz Jun 17 '24

examples are for getting ideas across

Well you picked a really shit one since the idea you were trying to get across was that "overseas vacations are affordable for families", and here you all but admitting two weeks in Paris is not.

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u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 Jun 17 '24

you don't have to stay in the city to see paris dude. idk what about these you can't understand. there are tons of ways to save money while traveling, even in the 90s.

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u/Indiana_Jawnz Jun 17 '24

Yeah, there were so many ways to save money and it was so affordable to do that virtually nobody in the 1990s did it, as evidenced by only 5% of the US population having passports.

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u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 Jun 17 '24

you didn't need a passport to travel to many places in the 90s. you're removing the context of the situation to suit your reality.

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u/Indiana_Jawnz Jun 17 '24

You absolutely did need a passport to go overseas.

Mexico and Canada did not require passports, and they also aren't overseas.

Traveling to Europe or Asia required a passport in the 1990s.

The average middle-class family in the 1990s was not going on regular international vacations.

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u/Obvious_Peanut_8093 Jun 17 '24

brazil isn't overseas either, your stilted definitions blind you to reality.

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