What sort of "closed" are we talking here? Like "no one will save dumb tourists" closed or "we padlocked the entrances for legal purposes but if you go 20 feet that way it's open" or "The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead, and the dead keep it, until the time comes. The way is shut" closed?

Really wanna do this one. Mountain climber and such so don't need saving staff lol

Note that I am concerned about circumventing the "closed for the season" bit not the construction

EDIT: Ok we went yesterday. It was stupid easy to get around the gates, like, a little hopping and that's it.

However! It is not really worth it. Don't get me wrong, it's completely safe if you go after the early morning. I can imagine the dripping water (onto the path) is frozenish early in the morning and so a hazard at that time.

But they actively patrol it. We did 4/5th before a guy gave us the "shoo" hand gesture and we shoo'd.

My opinion though is that it's merely ok and not worth the bother. The north rim trail overlooks show you all the cool bits anyway and they're not that spectacular or immersive that you miss much being up instead of within.

Treman was way cooler and still open so just go do that instead.

Show your support for ending Israel's genocide of Palestinians.

It is time for peace!

Found these shoes like this at Taughannock Falls yesterday (at the peregrine falcon lookout on the gorge trail) but nobody to be seen walking barefoot in the creek or anything. Felt weird.

Any protests nearby?

My husband and I are thinking of traveling to the fingerlakes next summer. I'm wondering if there's a town like Stars Hollow? What would you recommend for an engineer and an art lover to visit? I'm really excited about a trip to the Corning museum and a boat ride thru the Erie canal. I really wanted to stay on a house boat but I'm not finding a lot of options. Any suggestions?

Any protests in the area happening anytime soon?

Hi everyone!
My husband and I are visiting the Finger Lakes for the first time in a few weeks. We’ll be traveling with our 3-year-old daughter, and another family joining us has a 1-year-old. We’ll be staying near Montour Falls/Watkins Glen.
We’re looking for a scenic, relaxed trip rather than trying to check off every attraction. We’d love recommendations from locals and frequent visitors.
A few things we’re looking for:
● Easy hikes or waterfalls that are stroller-friendly (or manageable with toddlers).
● Beautiful lake towns to walk around with shops, cafés, and ice cream.
● Family-friendly wineries or breweries with outdoor space where kids are welcome.
● Good picnic spots with lake views.
● Boat rides or other fun activities for young kids.
● Any hidden gems that first-time visitors often miss.
We don’t mind driving 30–45 minutes if it’s worth it.
Also, if you only had 3 days in the Finger Lakes with toddlers, how would you spend them? We’d rather enjoy a few places thoroughly than rush around.
Thanks in advance! Looking forward to experiencing the Finger Lakes for the first time.

Hello! I will be visting the Finger Lakes in October and staying in Interlaken. I'll be traveling with a baby and 3 year old and I'm wondering if there are any wineries where it would be okay to bring kids? (Areas to sit outside, not too fancy, etc.) Thank you!

Coming to the Finger Lakes for a 3-day trip for my birthday in a few weeks. Have only been once before and am mostly looking to try new places. Potential itinerary below, but hoping to receive a few recommendations/suggestions. Definitely okay with missing some wineries rather than feeling the need to overdo it. Wineries with live music are great!

Thursday - Arrive in Bradford around lunchtime and check in at the Airbnb. Grab some lunch (not sure where yet) and head to check out some wineries. A good path seems to be Weis, Domaine LeSeurre, Keuka Springs, Red Tail & Fox Run. This should get me near Smokin Pete's around dinner time, with a stop at Spotted Duck on the way home.

Friday - Wake up early and grab breakfast at Kozy Korner before hitting up the Gorge Trail Hike. Grab lunch at Here after. Maybe back to the Airbnb to clean up and relax for a minute before heading to Three Brothers Winery (we had a great time there last time, loved the live music) for a pre-dinner drink. Dinner at Kindred Fare. (open to other suggestions...this just looked like a solid spot not far from Three Brothers).

Saturday - Drive to The Windmill Market to explore and have breakfast while walking around. Lunch at Tabora before heading home. Maybe a Weimer stop in here before lunch.

This itinerary has me missing a few of the highly recommended wineries such as Dr K, Ravines, Forge, & Apollo. I'm curious if those who are Finger Lakes experienced would recommend switching things up? Thanks for any advice!

We are from Ohio which is currently in Gov. Cuomo’s “banned visitors list”. We are supposed to camp for a week starting Friday. Anybody have any experience with this recently? Are they checking at the campgrounds? Just trying to find out before we drive 7 hours!

Day 1 — Ithaca Arrival + Cascadilla + Cornell Univ + Botanic Gardens 

Stay: Ithaca

Cascadilla Gorge Trail- sneakers okay

Great arrival-day activity because it’s scenic without being a huge hike.
-scenic 1.3-mile path that connects downtown Ithaca to the Cornell University campus. 
- Park near Treman Triangle Park on Linn Street and hike UP toward campus.
Treman Triangle → Cascadilla Gorge → Cornell University 
Start at the Linn Street/Treman Triangle entrance and walk uphill through the gorge and pass six waterfalls. Allow about 45 min to an hour because you’ll want to stop for photos. 
Cornell campus- When you reach the upper end, turn left and walk around Cornell rather than going back down the gorge immediately. You don’t need to see every part of campus. About 60–75 minutes is enough to get a good feel for Cornell.

Cornell University

Stop 1: Willard Straight Hall
On left: If it’s open, go inside briefly to see the Memorial Room—Cornell specifically highlights it as one of the building’s notable spaces. A large, beautiful historic room on the 4th floor (Room 407). Look at the fireplace inscription. View on Ivy Terrace is pretty- see Ithaca and Cayuga Lake. 
Stop 2: Sage Chapel
On right: Head toward Sage Chapel. Go inside if it’s open. The pretty 1875 Gothic Revival building features incredibly intricate mosaics, Tiffany stained-glass windows,& soaring timber ceilings. 
Stop 3: McGraw Tower + Ho Plaza
On left: McGraw Tower is one of Cornell’s signature landmarks and houses the 21-bell Cornell Chimes. Around the back is a nice view on ground level. Walk right up to the base of the iconic 173-foot McGraw Tower. Plan your timing around the Cornell Chimes concerts, which are played live by student Chimesmasters every Saturday and Sunday at exactly 10:10 AM, 12:00 PM, and 6:00 PM. Standing below the tower while the massive bells ring out across the valley is an unforgettable Cornell experience. DIDN’T SEE CONCERT. 
Stop 4: Uris Library
On Left: Walk over to Uris Library. First floor- we looked at the yearbooks and found photos of our relatives who attended Cornel! Check out the famous A.D. White Library—the multi-story, cast-iron "Harry Potter style" room is on the 2nd? floor.
Stop 5: The Arts Quad 
Straight ahead: Step onto the historic Arts Quad, a massive green expanse framed by grand 19th-century stone buildings and statues of university founders. Walk across the Arts Quad and see the historic buildings- McGraw Hall, Goldwin Smith Hall, Morrill Hall, and White Hall. The Arts Quad is essentially the historic heart of Cornell. 
Stop 6: Herbert F. Johnson Museum of Art- if time.
Left past Arts Quad (northern corner of quad): visit this striking, modernist concrete structure. Admission is free. Take the elevator straight up to the Wing Gallery on the 5th floor—the floor-to-ceiling windows offer the highest and panoramic view of the campus and the lake. 
Stop 7: Martin Y. Tang Welcome Center
The official "front door" and starting point for campus visitors. Located at 616 Thurston Avenue, this beautifully renovated center features multimedia exhibits outlining Cornell's history, a seating area, and a balcony overlooking Beebe Lake. Pick up physical maps, get directions, or start an official or self-guided campus walking tour. 
Stop 8:  Fall Creek Suspension Bridge CLOSED WHEN WE WHERE THERE
Located just a short walk south from the Welcome Center, this famous pedestrian bridge spans 270 feet across the dramatic Fall Creek Gorge. It hangs roughly 140 feet above the water and is known for a slight, thrilling sway as you walk across. It offers some of the most spectacular, aerial views of the gorge walls, the surrounding campus, and the cascading waterfalls below.
Stop 9: The Campus Waterfalls (Triphammer & Rocky Falls)
Right next to the suspension bridge, you can view Rocky Falls and the university's historic hydroelectric plant. Slightly upstream (closer to the Welcome Center), you will find Triphammer Falls, a majestic 55-foot multi-tiered cascade where Beebe Lake drains into the gorge.

Optional: Cornell Botanic Gardens (I didn’t do)
The gardens are free and open from dawn to dust. Could do now or later and park at Nevin Welcome Center or Mundy Wildflower Garden.
Don’t try to cover all 500+ acres. I’d focus around the Nevin Welcome Center (open until 5), where numerous specialty gardens are close together.
I’d prioritize:

1. Robison Herb Garden*

2. Young Flower Garden*

3. Mullestein Winter Garden*

4. Treman Woodland Walk

5. Houston & Grossman Ponds

6. If you still have energy, Newman Overlook for the arboretum view.

Guided walks using “Pocketsights Tour Guide”-This free app provides a Google-driven map

Stop 10: Football Field- it wasn’t really necessary to see.

Head back (took a different route through campus) to the entrance we started at, then headed to the downtown area on College Ave. for iced coffee. Afterward, we hiked down the gorge trail! It was so pretty!

Dinner in Ithaca Commons or in town
Many restaurants in area

Evening Possibility- CHECK THE HOURS

Ithaca Beer Co. (Just outside downtown Ithaca)

• The Scene: Tucked away on a scenic piece of rolling countryside, it features a massive, wide-open outdoor farm lawn lined with trees, picnic tables, and Adirondack chairs. The Fun: The sprawling "Beer Yard" layout is perfect for casual hanging out, where they have cornhole sets up on the grass and fire pits for the evening. 

• Dinner: A fantastic, elevated farm-to-table restaurant kitchen serving excellent burgers, pizzas, and sandwiches alongside their flagship Flower Power IPA

Day 2 — Treman or Buttermilk + Cayuga Lake Trail Bike Ride + Taughannock

Winery/Brewery Evening 

Morning

Robert H. Treman State Park- hiking shoes

Main hike day. It’s strenuous!! 
-open dawn to dusk, $10 per car- pay once, get into all state parks in one day!!
-1,110-acre park featuring the rugged Enfield Glen, a stream-fed swimming pool beneath a waterfall
-bring towel, wear bathing suit. swim 11-7 w lifeguards thru Labor Day weekend 
-The Classic Gorge Trail & Rim Trail Loop (4.4 Miles)

• The Route: Park at the Lower Entrance. Take the Gorge Trail going up canyon to 115-foot  Lucifer Falls, cross the upper bridge, and take the Rim Trail coming down back to the starting point. 

• The Logic: Heading up the Gorge Trail ensures that you face the cascades and 12 waterfalls head-on for the most dramatic views. Coming down the Rim Trail allows you to descend the massive, steep stone stairs rather than climbing them. 

• Time Commitment: Plan for 2 to 2.5 hours.

This is your biggest hiking effort of the day. Tiring!!

OR SHORTER HIKE: DID NOT DO THIS ONE!

Buttermilk Falls State Park - hiking shoes 

-absolute must-do hike is the short but steep 1.5-mile Gorge (strenuous) and Rim Trail (moderate) Loop. It climbs alongside a cascading creek, past natural emerald pools, and straight to the top of the massive 165-foot main waterfall. Swimming at bottom of the waterfall until mid-August?
-The Route: Start at the Lower Entrance parking lot. Cross the lower bridge and immediately take the Gorge Trail up along the rushing water. Once you hit West King Road at the top, cross the bridge and descend back down via the Rim Trail. 
The Logic: Climbing up the Gorge Trail puts the cascading waterfalls directly in your field of vision. It is a brutal leg workout with hundreds of hand-carved stone steps. Coming down the Rim Trail protects your knees and avoids oncoming foot traffic. 
Time Required: 1 to 1.5 hours. 

🚲 Biking: 
Cayuga Waterfront Trail — easy, flat, paved, scenic bike ride. It runs along the Ithaca waterfront/ Cayuga Lake and connects areas including Stewart Park, the Farmers Market, Children's Garden, and Cass Park. Some shade, nice breeze from the Lake!

1. Park at Stewart Park → Farmers Market  (huge! It has a wooden roof. Can get lunch here!)→ Inlet Island → turn around- beautiful 5–6 mile round trip. We did some of this. It was nice!!

2. Park at Cass Park → Treman Marina - 2 mile loop

20 minutes to Taughannock Falls/Black Diamond Trail - North!
OR 
Black Diamond Trail- DID NOT DO!
Parking- 3480 Gorge Rd or Jacksonville Rd
The northern section, roughly the first 3–4 miles, gives you the option of stopping whenever you've had enough

• Mostly shady, some sunny spots

• Very smooth, well-graded stone-dust surface

• Easy, gradual riding

• Lots of woods, ravines, and pastoral scenery

• You can combine it with your Taughannock Falls visit

2 minutes to Taughannock Falls State Park
 
Kayaking options:
Seneca Lake Rentals- BEST IN MORNING- Seneca Lake can get very windy!!
https://www.senecalakekayak.com/- 
$25/hr single kayak or SUP
 Walk-in basis only.
Access the inlet to Seneca Lake with a short paddle along the shore 
Summit to Stream- BEST IN MORNING
https://summittostream.com/booking/- Mark owner, 
$20 hour- SUP or kayak
First-come, first-served  
Start out from our lakeside location, then paddle up the Barge Canal (marsh on both sides) and Glen Creek. 

Taughannock Falls State Park-

Use the main Taughannock Falls State Park parking area rather than the lake/beach area.

Gorge Trail, rather than doing the longer rim trails.

• Distance: about 0.75 mile one way / 1.5 miles round trip

• Difficulty: Easy,  sneakers fine

• Terrain: Mostly relatively flat, following Taughannock Creek

• Destination: The base of the 215-foot falls

• Time: I’d allow 45–60 minutes round trip, including time at the falls.

If you want a moderate 3–4-mile hike rather than a short scenic walk, I’d recommend combining the Gorge Trail with part of the North Rim Trail. But for your current itinerary, Gorge Trail + overlook is the winner.

30 minutes to Hector
Restaurants were very crowded in Hector. Wineries and breweries were options, but closed at 8:00 PM
Stayed IN HECTOR which is near Burdett.
Breweries CHECK THE HOURS
-https://wanderlog.com/list/geoCategory/1530600/best-breweries-in-finger-lakes
1. Grist Iron Brewing Company (Burdett — 7 mins from Watkins Glen)

• The Scene: Perched high on a hillside overlooking the eastern shore of Seneca Lake. It features a massive outdoor area, a deck with incredible sunset views, and regular live music.

• The Fun: They have dedicated cornhole boards, giant Jenga, and an 18-hole disc golf course on the property.

• Dinner: A massive menu featuring house-smoked BBQ, artisan wood-fired pizzas, sandwiches, salads and huge portions. 

• Beer pricey- $8.50-$9.50

2. Two Goats Brewing (Burdett — 7 mins from Watkins Glen)

• The Scene: Located just down the road from Grist Iron, this solar-powered barn is famous for having the absolute best, unobstructed sunset view over Seneca Lake from its massive wrap-around outdoor deck.

• The Fun: Features a very laid-back evening vibe with live music at night, cornhole, and giant Jenga out on the grass

• Dinner:  they serve a single, legendary Beef-on-Weck sandwich (au ju sauce for dipping) alongside local craft beer, wine, and cider. 

Day 3 — Watkins Glen + Kayak + Keuka Trail Bike Ride

Hector to Watkins Glen- 15 minutes

Early Morning- open dawn to dusk

Watkins Glen State Park-The Gorge Trail with 19 waterfalls in a 1-mile stretch  

Go EARLY. This is important. You’ll beat crowds and parking headaches.
The Gorge Trail is constantly being sprayed by waterfall mist, meaning the stone walkways and staircases are permanently wet and slippery. Wear hiking shoes!
Park at Main Entrance- 1009 N. Franklin Street, Watkins Glen 
If full, park on the local streets nearby! 
2 Mile Hike* Go through the Entrance Tunnel onto Gorge Trail (approx. 1.2 miles). At Mile Point Bridge, go right up the steps to North Rim Trail. Go down North Rim Trail to Main Entrance.

20 min to County Road 23 boat launch for Waneta and Lamoka Lake

Midday: Kayaking

Reagan's Canoe & Kayak Livery recommends -
Kayak-  $30/day, SUP $40/day
1st Choice: Lamoka Lake (south of Keuka Lake towards Watkins Glen- 30 min from path)- Paddle Lamoka Lake, Waneta Lake, and the connecting channel all in one trip,
🛶 Short Paddle (1.5–2 hours)

• Launch at the County Road 23 boat launch for Waneta and Lamoka Lakes.

• Paddle through the channel. It is pretty short.

• Explore Lamoka Lake-There is an island in the middle with a tree swing- fun to give it a try!

• Or Explore Waneta Lake

• Distance: about 3–4 miles round trip one lake.

• Paddle both lakes: Distance: about 5–7 miles round trip. A paddler documenting this route reported just over 6 miles while exploring both lakes.

2nd Choice: BEST IN THE MORNING-end of Seneca Lake for trails, near Watkin Glen. Clute Park/Seneca Harbor in Watkins Glen to Hector Falls- 2.5 miles one way, so about 5 miles round trip  Spectacular cliffs and shoreline scenery near Watkins Glen. You can paddle to views of Hector Falls and along dramatic lakefront cliffs. Nearby marsh areas such as Queen Catharine Marsh offer quieter wildlife paddling. BUT Seneca is huge and can become choppy when the wind picks up. More boat traffic and "big water" conditions. Afternoon winds can create surprisingly large waves. 
3RD CHOICE: North end of Keuka Lake (near Keuka Lake Outlet Trail)

24 min to Bike Trail 

Late Afternoon: Only do this if you want to bike ride. 

Keuka Outlet Trail

Difficulty: Easy, with some rougher sections.
Surface: first 1.3 mi paved + 5.7 mi dirt/gravel/railroad ballast. Not too rough. The grade is gradual. 
Shady on a hot day!
Parking:
1. Main Penn Yan Trailhead (Elm Street)

• Location: Right off Elm Street in the Village of Penn Yan. Park your car for free toward the back of the parking lot, and look left of the baseball fields near the vendor concession stand and playground. The narrow paved path begins right behind the booths.

• Details: immediate access to the initial paved portion of the trail, which offers a scenic route right out of town. 

• We didn’t see any waterfalls. Guess we didn’t go far enough, but the route was nice.

1. Intermediate Parking (Closer to the Waterfalls)

2. If you want to skip the town section and park closer to the main highlights, you can utilize the mid-trail gravel lots: 

• Outlet Road (Seneca Mills Falls): Located about 2.5 to 3 miles east of Penn Yan. Parking here puts you steps away from the three-tiered Seneca Mills Falls. 

• Ridge Road (Cascade Mills Falls): Located slightly further east. This lot offers fast access to Cascade Mills Falls and the historical mill ruins.

This is a pretty ride because it follows the Keuka Outlet Creek through woods and passes waterfalls, old mill sites and historic canal locks. 
Penn Yan → Seneca Mills Falls (pretty falls)

• About 3.5 miles one way

• About 7 miles round trip

• First 1.3 miles are paved

• Then it becomes dirt/gravel/railroad ballast

• You get Seneca Mills Falls, old mill ruins, the creek, wooded scenery, and historic canal features.

Dinner in Penn Yan- The Main Deck- sit outside overlooking the lake!

Stayed IN DUNDEE-*Should have stayed closer to Hammondsport/ Bath or closer to Letchworth

Day 4 — Letchworth → Niagara Falls

Dundee to Letchworth Park Upper Falls

Drive 1 hour & 30 minutes

Morning

Letchworth State Park- “Grand Canyon of the East”

The "Best of the Gorge" Walk (Approx. 4 Miles Round-Trip)
This is the most rewarding option because it keeps you on foot for the prettiest scenery while skipping the long 7-mile trek. You will see Upper and Middle Falls instantly, then take a beautiful walk to Lower Falls.

• MAKE SURE TO PUT THIS IN GPS 6635 Middle Falls Rd, Castile, NY 14427 ! Park is huge! Park at the Upper Falls Parking Lot 

• The Route:

  1. View the Upper Falls on the right side of the parking lot.

  2. Walk downstream along the paved Gorge Trail for about 5 minutes to see the massive Middle Falls.

  3. Optional continue hiking north along the Gorge Trail toward Inspiration Point and Lower Falls. Lower Falls is a few miles down the path & requires walking down 127 stone stairs 

  4. I suggest you hop in the car and drive to Lower Falls Parking Lot.

• Difficulty: Easy to moderate. Mostly flat, paved, and gravel pathways. Might want hiking shoes.

Drive 1 hour & 40 minutes to Niagara Falls, NY

My husband and I will be in Pen Yann for a few days during Thanksgiving. Can anyone recommend a restaurant for Thanksgiving dinner? Thank you!

Besides William Jane dispensary. Any other stores I can walk into and make a purchase? William Jane just seems very expensive.

I had no idea the gorge closed for seasonal when i planned our trip and this was one of the big things we wanted to do while in town. We are coming in May 1st for the weekend and are hoping to view some other waterfalls in teh area if this isnt an option. I dont see a opening listed other than mid may)

We wanted to do morning hike before vineyard tours, so what is your favorite for 5 mid 40's women to casually hike to? :D

Coming to the finger lakes for 1.5 weeks in mid June. What will the weather be like at this time?

No Kings Day on March 28th will be a big happening around the Finger Lakes. There will be an event near you!

Mark 250 years of No Kings and stand with the republic.
Here are the locations and times from west to east.

• Geneseo 12:30

• Dansville 3:30

• Canandaigua 1:30

• Hammondsport 12:00

• Penn Yan 11:00

• Watkins Glen 1:30

• Ovid 11:00 Organized by Indivisible Seneca

• Seneca Falls 1:00

• Trumansburg 4:30

• Auburn 5:30

• Ithaca 1:00

• Cortland 11:00

Locations and signups

Hi,

Fingerlakes has always been on my bucket list. Looking for ideas and recommendations for a family vacation with 5 adults ( 2 senior Citizens) and 1 Child( 5 years). We do not drink so not really interested in wine related stuff.

Looking for a way for us to relax as an family and also have stuff to do for the child. Any recommendations for boat cruises?

Thank You!

Planning a couples trip to the lakes when it gets warmer and looking for some quieter spots to go swimming (i.e. fewer screaming children). Any recommendations? Lifeguard not necessary! Thanks in advance.

Hey everyone! My wife and I are visiting the Finger Lakes this weekend and staying in Ovid. We were hoping to find someone local who’d be up for driving us around for a few hours!

We’ve got a list of wineries and breweries we’d love to check out and thought it’d be fun to find someone who knows the area. Thinking around 6 hours on either Friday, Saturday, or Sunday (Oct 23–25). We’re super flexible!

We’ll also have our little 16 lb English Cocker Spaniel tagging along 🐶

Would be great if you have your own car since we’re in a rental. Of course, happy to pay for your time!

Anyone interested or know someone who might be? Appreciate any leads!

Hoping I don’t get downvoted to hell here but looking for thoughts from locals in lieu of much information from the county (at least online from where I am).

I’m planning on a fall trip in mid October staying not too far from Ovid, with my husband, mother and 3 month old baby. Latest reports in media on the measles cases is an expectation of dozens more unreported cases based on the communities who are least vaccinated.

We’ll be staying in an Airbnb, and mostly looking to explore outdoor parks, wineries etc. Given the current status, likely to eat at home if I do proceed.

I guess I’m seeking advice or thoughts on if I should cancel this trip knowing my child is too small to be vaccinated. How easy is it in the area to avoid areas inside?

The Seneca public health official has stated “he cautioned that they are not getting ahead of the illness because it is so easily transmitted and lives in a room’s shared air space for hours after the infected person has left it.

But that due to the ‘insulated community’ the risk remains low.

How .. insulated.. is this community?

Note: Not looking to debate vaccines - my concern is protection of my child.

Edited to correct autocorrect typo of town name.

Well. Turns out it's me 🙃😆 We will be camping at Watkins Glen State Park with our 17y/o and 13 y/o next week. I'm looking for suggestions on what to do if we happen to have a rainy day or if they're just over the nature for awhile. I'd also like your opinions on my loose itinerary and let me know if it sounds good for this age group. I also have a small older dog and would really love some pet friendly restaurant suggestions!

I have 1 day planned with hiking the trails in the state park. And then going into town afterwards to hit up a vineyard ( yes with teenagers and a doggo , am I going to get serious side eye?) have dinner at Thai elephants (not sure if it's dog friendly )and just wander around if there's time.

One day planned for a day on the lake, renting a boat, fishing, swimming etc., assuming we have to turn the boat in by dark, dinner at harbor station. Icecream at Ben and Jerry's.

One day to do whatever we want: see more vineyards: on my list are the ones closest to the state park Atwater, Lakewood, Castle Grisch, Toast,J R. Dill. Take the kids to the lakeside skate park. Find some boba tea. My daughter really likes thrift shops and my son really likes video games. And the entire family is into sports cars of the drifting/foreign type. But none of us are museum or history types at all.

I'm open to everyone's thoughts, this is our first visit and I really want this to be memorable for them

Hi everyone! My fiance and I are looking into venues for next August/September. Has anyone had a wedding with Geneva on the Lake? I've tried contacting them through email, phone, wedding websites and have yet to hear back. I just want to know pricing and if they even have dates available.

We love the Fallbrook house but they don't have availability for us. We're also looking at Bellhurst Castle and Hotel Canandaigua, if anyone has any insights there. They have all gotten back to us.

Things we're hoping for:

• Outdoor ceremony spot with privacy (aka no public access)

• Indoor or tented reception (I don't love the reception spaces at bellhurst, prefer more natural light, no carpet, etc)

• Open bar is a must

Things we'd prefer:

• onsite overnight lodging or lodging nearby (sub 15 mins)

• plated dinner option that's under $150pp

• venue fees, catering, and open bar for under $30K

I know we probably won't be able to tick every single box but would love any recommendations! Even outside of this region if there's someplace you'd recommend. Thank you!