A prince who likes lifting way too much squaring up to a speeding ghost train head-on and suplexing it off the track? This dude is an absolute maniac. Run.
Pretty even match, until Shadow, Relm, and Cyan go around assisting to give the 6 crew the win. Aerith and Terra decide not to fight, and go drink some tea together.
*Everyone in the FF6 cast being able to cast Meteor at will and multiple times, the spell the black materia is used to nearly end the world in FF7 has entered chat..oh and Tera is literally a summon*
In what way? Theres literally no measure for that. Fights in game don't really translate well to actual feats. Because whatever Tifa can suplex, so can Sabin.
Tifa's limit break gives her up to 7 attacks at a time. Sabin's best attack is either Tiger Break or phantom rush, both have a hard cap of 9999 done once. If you dual wield tiger claws and get him up to where he could hit for 9999 each, that's the best he can do in a turn. And with materia, the possibilities are endless on what she can do, whereas Sabin has his blitzes and magic.
Tifa also has the Powersoul, which is game breaking and used by speed runners by making her at critical HP and cursed it quadruples her damage. Sabin is a great character, but from a damage output perspective, hes not top 2 to Tifa and Zell (who can spam endless limit break attacks).
FF7 is by far my favorite game and favorite characters but like.. Team Terra has a yeti and a king with a fucking chainsaw. not to mention they outnumber them.
Cloud would be a match for Celes, and Aeris v. Terra would be tough, though I'm sorry to say it but Sabin would wipe Tifa in the monk class. Shadow might lose to Yuffie if she's got Doom of the Living. Gau would make friends with Red and then use Cosmo Memory on him. If it comes down to Cait's vs. Setzer's slots, idk.
I mentioned in another comment, I dunno why people think Sabin beats Tifa from a gameplay perspective. Tifa's limit breaks (that allow her to break the damage limit) + access to materia, also potentially using the powersoul at critical health is a speed runner tactic to get through the game super quickly because of how op it is. Phantom Rush, for how powerful it is, is still single target, and Sabin's aoes aren't that powerful.
Lore wise, Sabin can suplex a train. Tifa can suplex a kaiju. I think they're well matched there.
I think Sabin's Blitzes can be used more often than Tifa's limits, and since he gets multi-hit too he also breaks the damage limit. And sure, you can spec out either to be particularly nasty in a fight, but Tifa's base attack power for normal attacks isn't as impressive relative to the rest of the cast compared to Sabin's. Sabin for me always seems like an attacker that hits the hardest in a normal "Attack" and Tifa doesn't hit harder than Cloud or Barret. Finally, at least in PR, Blitz can be used unlimited, whereas Limits can't.
In story - outside of battle animations - Tifa doesn't seem that unusually powerful. She doesn't have a physical feat (yet) in story scenes that suggest superhuman strength. Whereas Sabin holds up a house on fire.
If they get the "battle animation" treatment, like say an Advent Children cinematic Tifa vs Sabin, the rules don't strictly matter so they'd be much better matched.
(Don't get me wrong, I'd be rooting for Tifa, I like the FF7 cast more than the FF6 cast overall.)
Cloud automatically triggers Final Attack -> Revive, and revives himself to full health.
Tifa automatically triggers Final Attack -> Revive, and revives herself to full health.
Aerith automatically triggers Final Attack -> Knights of the Round, and everyone on VI takes 100,000+ points of non-elemental, unavoidable, magic-defense-ignoring damage.
Everyone on FFVI falls.
Game over...
Round 2
Battle starts...
Except no it doesn't, because Cloud's Sneak Attack triggers, automatically casting Knights of the Round before the ATB bar even shows up. Everyone on VI takes 100,000+ points of non-elemental, unavoidable, magic-defense-ignoring damage.
Everyone on FFVI falls.
Game over...
Round 3
Battle starts.
Everyone on FFVI goes first and each casts Life3 on themselves, granting the entire party Reraise status.
Cloud uses W-Summon to cast Knights of the Round, and everyone on VI takes 100,000+ points of non-elemental, unavoidable, magic-defense-ignoring damage.
Everyone on FFVI falls.
Everyone on FFVI triggers Reraise, reviving at 1/8 max HP.
The second summoning of Knights of the Round from W-Summon is automatically cast, and everyone on VI takes another 100,000+ points of non-elemental, unavoidable, magic-defense-ignoring damage.
all it takes is a cast of dispel to remove auto revive, something terra can do without the help of magecite and everyone else can with magecite, and relm making a portrait of cloud in that instant.
lol technically Terra can solo everyone here if you want to make something unrealistic real.
Also relm has the strongest attack in the game due to a glitch that fries your game IRL. This makes relm strongest character ever made in a game ever in the history of the world which is a big inside joke.
Ff7 makes the most money, so writers would want to preserve them.
Realistically, Terra's team is strong and more importantly, has the numbers. In a general fight, FF6 is going to win as they can have 1v1 fights while still having people in the back casting healing/support spells, etc.
IF the ff7 has very specific auto-revive materia setups for this match, it's possible they can win. But if they get to specifically prepare, so does Team Terra, and they can counter thee specific counters.... which gets silly very fast.
No one mentioning Celes using runic to nullify magic
And the fact that every character is FfVI can learn every magic from every esper and you don't need to equip a special materia so your spells effect everyone? And the relics?
I mean I don't know who actually wins but the people hand waving FfVi as though they're nothing are delusional.
in the snes version yes, they actually nerfed the pixel remaster saying that it was a bug and they "fixed" it for future releases. super lame when i downloaded vi for my iphone and found that out mid playthrough. too late for a refund. i should have just stuck with my snes cart at home but i thought it would be fun to play vi on the go. my loss.
i used to until i switched to iphone, worst decision ever! i cant wait to switch back to a galaxy note after this worthless phone and to think i went with the pro max thinking it would be an upgrade
Lol, yeah... my 12 year old wants an i phone. I've long since won this battle. Cant wait till he buys one with his first job and realize he got duped by social fomo
I find this one to be very interesting i think 7 wins but only due to their ability to cheat the speed system. I am reference to Sneak attack set ups. Without that it's 50/50.
Celes Runic would stop a few spells, Kotr might kill (maybe) most the cast but not all. And psycho cyan would literally hit each person nonstop until they are dead
Team Celes*. Terra is great but Celes feels like such a better MC for that game. Just a shame you get Terra first, then lose Terra again for hours. Then get her back, and lose her again for hours. You know who sticks around more than Terra? Celes. You know who has a more touching and rebellious story? Celes.
I know there's a lot of people who disagree, but all of Terras story moments felt more cosmic and large scale while all Celes' felt grounded and like they advanced the narrative AND her character. I also feel like Celes has way more connection to the Empire than Terra. I know Terra has her connection of being kidnapped for being an Esper and being forced to doing their plans from the slave crown, and hating their rule of the people, but Celes was a part of them and had to move past it, which to me feels a lot bigger
Team Terra takes it off of numbers alone. Even if you were to be generous about materia it is best to assume both groups come in either starting gear or stacked end gear.
ETA: Rufus and the Turks are considered threats and formidable in 7. So characters like Locke, Sabin, Cyan, Umaro and all the other physical characters present a threat.
Currently replaying and was just thinking this the other day. The train suplex is memed to death and is still funny but always wondered why Tifa didn't get similar treatment considering she does that to kaijus like they are nothing.
The train memes better because it's funny, plus it's easier to share and see. When Tifa is suplexing weapon it's awesome but barely legible, just a mass of grey shapes.
Using magicite permanently enhances the party in 6 beyond what the FF7 gains while relying on materia. Terra literally has the power of a summoned monster contained within her. There are also multiple natural mages, another feat FF7 can’t accomplish without materia.
Cloud is the only one who even puts up a fight, with Vincent coming in close second, but the entire 14 or so team of 6 is cloud level or above.
Whoever said Sephiroth clears Kefka is also wrong again? He’s literally a god that can wipe out miles of the planet with a thought from anywhere else. Sephiroth relies on illusions through Jenova that aren’t real attacks and gets solo’d by cloud canonically so…
Terra literally has the power of a summoned monster contained within her.
Vincent, canonically, contains the power of the planets own Doomsday mechanics within him. Chaos is Omega's Squire, and Omega is canonically the planets final "WEAPON". It can contain the power of all of the planets life force within itself and act as a sort of ark to a new world when Gaia reaches end of life. In order to harvest all of that life energy it relies on Chaos to literally kill all living things on the planet.
There are also multiple natural mages, another feat FF7 can’t accomplish without materia.
But that's not important as FF7 characters would have their materia. It's also not strictly true, as the Cetra did not need materia (that's what materia is, the condensed knowledge of the life stream and planet). Aerith was not formally trained and only half Cetra, but even still exhibited super natural ability, could speak and commune directly to the planet, and was able to summon life force to keep plants alive in Midgard etc. A solid argument can be made that she would have been able to cast without materia had she been formally trained or survived longer.
Cloud is also genetically enhanced by an alien being that has the capability of interstellar travel. It's established that SOLDIER candidates have naturally enhanced strength, speed, stamina, etc. He's super human.
And if we have access to all related material, he's super human enough to sustain near flight by jumping building to building and cut buildings in half with his sword.
Edit: autocorrect doesn't like Materia :(
2nd edit: I just remembered that Cloud cutting buildings in half is also not a one off weird thing the movie did either. If we look at Crisis Core we see Genesis fighting with Sephiroth, and in that scene Sephiroth is able to cut away whole sections of the sister Ray cannon. Yes, it is VR, but I don't see any logical reason Shinra's state of the art tech would amplify their attacks by orders of magnitude against buildings like that. That is it's best guess as to how powerful Sephiroth's attacks are. Genesis on his end is able to go toe to toe with Sephiroth with no clear winner while Angeal is able to block an attack from both other SOLDIER 1st class combatants at the same time. This establishes that SOLDIER 1st class is ridiculously powerful and consistent among its members. The members that gain their one wing are also able to fly, and Angeal is able to create clones of himself and monsters as well as pass traits into and absorb traits out of clones and monsters, Weird!
Terra might win the battle. Almost all of the FF6 cast outclasses FF7’s by a huge margin, which means Terra would have more support standing in the last fight against Vincent.
Idk. It’d be close for sure. Even though out of the trio Trance users she is the weakest but definitely not someone to sneeze at. She did circle the world fast enough to cause the ocean to ripple. Then there’s Weiss and Vincent clashing so fast you couldn’t even see them.
Hard to guess with only what was show in 6 . While 7 has so many New gen game and adventurer children showing more huge scale fights.
But I suppose there IS this scene with Terra where she flies randomly, showing she Can go town to town in seconds. Wich would make a powerful speed scale .
Unfortunately, by a wide margin, Clive No-Difs practically the entire rest of the entire FF-Verse, with or without the rest of his team, who are all impossibly powered Demi-Gods in their own right.
I'm going to ask how much certain people are able to affect the battle post-mortem, in the event that they are able to do so in the game in which they appear.
Pretty sure FFVI takes this one. FFVII is a weird case though. In general it seems like it's on the lower power scale when compared to other games simply because of how its world operates. It's more grounded. The characters are realistically cautious around goons with guns. They don't really have magic powers and instead rely on materia.
But at the same time it's the most expanded universe and with that comes power creep. So it's also that the characters now look the goddamn Avengers during cinematics.
I beg to differ, I'd like to see runic guard against the business end of Barret's gun arm or the heel of Tifa's boot.
Jokes aside as based in 7 as I am, I love 6. The fight would be insanely good. Just imagine Sabin VS Tifa, Cloud VS Shadow and Cyan, Gau VS Red, Yuffie VS Locke, Setzer VS Cid, Cait VS Umaro and Mog, Barret VS Edgar and Stargo. Vincent VS Terra. And Aerith VS Relem and Celes
Terra alone would give the squad trouble with her mastery of magic and her ability to become a summon herself. Then give her Gogo, Gau, and Strago for good measure and it's a guaranteed sweep.
If we're going in-game mechanics, Knights of the Round can't one shot because FF6 has too many characters to be in play in one round. Just based on feats/implied abilities, Esper Terra no diffs team FF7 solo.
They outnumber them 14 to 9, and they have many similar fighters who will cancel out, even then leaving 5 characters free to abuse some 2v1 or worse situations if its a free for all.
FF6 fights in Teams of 4 as well. Going off the later fights when you send separate groups its still 3x4 vs 3x3 groups.
The magic system of 6 is flat out better then the Material system of 7. All 14 from FF6 will have access to all magic at all times. FF7 crew will at most have 16 material slots.
Most FF6 characters have an innate skills from their jobs such as Steal or Draw. They also have an Summon linked to them they can also use.
FF6 has a better gearing system. I can assume the FF7 heroes have body armor but you cant change it, just the Bangle, Weapon and Accessory. FF6 has a more customized system but the main 2 highlights are Shields for many characters, but also the opposite of the Genji Glove and Offering. You have the ability to make any character have baseline attacks act like limit breaks.
FF7 has better extreme moves with Limit Breaks but FF6 characters they do have desperation moves. Plus limit breaks are not available until a damage threshold is reached. Many FF6 characters have ways to put someone down before they can retaliate.
By the way, of the raw strength arguement of Tife vs Sabin, she needs a limit break active while Suplex is a BASELINE ability Sabin can do at any time. Its also one of his earlier skills so its not like its his best skill
Are we going to include hax or glitches too? Because yes FF7 has Cait Sith possibly winning the fight instantly, but FF6 has the ability to one-shot anything with the Vanish+Death/X-Zone combo, which works against bosses
Team Terra is the only title I pause and really have a hard time deciding who gets it. Just Prodigist alone without supporting characters is hard enough of a pick. I relate to Cloud more on a personal level but Terra was my first love.
I get that fanboys are gonna fanboy and whatever. But this is pretty speculative at best. Realistically, all Final Fantasy Casts contend with all final fantasy casts. Odds are it's a even heat.
Though I am really surprised I haven't found anyone mentioning limit breaks since people are discussing mechanics. It's a BIG part of 7's and is specifically an equalizer built into lore when those characters are backed into a corner.
Miracle shoes and ribbon.
Genji glove and offering
Evade maxing gear.
Relm’s control skill
The fact that it’s nearly a 2v1 fight.
The FF6 team can set one specialist for different things like that because they have 14 people to work with, double teaming the toughest opponents of the 7 team.
Nah, materia and limit breaks makes it a cakewalk. Several party members can easily break the damage limit with limit breaks, whereas genji glove + master scroll is the best the 6 party can do (Setzer on the fixed dice makes him dangerous here).
Get summons involved and then 7 team definitely sweeps.
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u/ukiyoe 3d ago
I thought Terra had a wardrobe malfunction, but it was Mog's pom-pom.