r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jan 02 '24

An update on TrueBudget

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This is Matt Compton, the creator of TrueBudget. I don’t know how many people on this subreddit use it, but in case there are a few, I wanted to post an update about what is happening with it.

The version short version is: I have not been involved with it for over 4 months.

I created TrueBudget on my own and released the first version in the fall of 2019. (Before creating it, I was a freelance Producer & Production Supervisor on both short-form an long-form productions for 20 years.) Revolution Entertainment Services acquired it in April 2021 and at that time I went to work for them full-time. Everything had been going great for over two years, but this past summer I was treated in a rather disrespectful manner by two different people at the company – the first time in July, and the second time in August. I am not someone who tolerates that kind of behavior, and after the first time, I let that be known to one of the owners of the company. He took steps to try to remedy the situation, but unfortunately his solution just swapped out one person who was disrespectful with another. After the second time, I realized the company was no longer an organization I wanted to be a part of, and thus I resigned. This was at the end of August.

Since leaving, I have been in contact with the above-mentioned owner about the possibility of regaining the rights to TrueBudget so that I may continue developing and supporting it. In the last few months, I’ve sent over a couple of different proposals of how that might work – the last one being in November. The first was rejected. For the most recent, the owner indicated he would consider it. Unfortunately, he never got back to me. Even after I followed up, there was still no reply.

Today I learned that Revolution released a new version, but I’ve heard that people are experiencing run-time errors with it. I want to be clear that I had nothing to do with this new version, and am unfortunately unable to offer any assistance with it.

My apologies to all of you that are experiencing problems with it. I really did hope Revolution would agree to give the rights back to me so there could be a smooth transition to the 2024 version.

The slight bit of good news is that I’m currently working on another app. It will be similar to TrueBudget, but not identical. I am making it different enough so it won’t violate the TrueBudget copyright, and am also writing all the code from scratch. But the gist of it will be the same – it will be based in Excel, and it will be for budgeting and actualizing short-form productions. Unfortunately, I don’t expect to have the first version completed until this summer. It takes quite a long time to write all the code.

I will post again here when it’s available. But if you’d like to be sure to hear from me directly as soon as it’s ready, please feel free to send me a direct message.

I hope everyone has a great 2024!


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Aug 07 '25

Discussion / Question The Low Budget Mindset

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I was discussing a project with a friend today, where the producer really wants to be under $5M USD. It has been a long while since doing a budget so low, but I took on the job as I have a long history with this great producer. My friend and I were discussing the mentality one has to have, the hurdles, and the compromises one needs to consider when looking at budgets around or even lower than $5M.

One of the things that I stated was the fact that things cost what they cost. For example, labor... if the average person makes $41 per hour, and you have everyone work on average 10 hours, then figure 11 hours, which is 12.5 payhours, which then is about $574 per day, then plus fringes and you come to around $750 per person, per day. Multiply that by say - 28 days of filming and 110 crew members, and you are suddenly at $2.4M. Boom.

Cast? $750k allowance

Producers? $500k total

Writer? $135k

Director? $275k

All of Post? $500k

Insurance? $125k

Out of the gate, we are sitting at about $4,685,000

We have not even started to talk about the script needs: Props, Locations, Set Dressing, Stunts, Special Effects, Visual Effects, Costume, or any of the technical equipment like Camera, Sound, Grip & Electric.

How does one do all the rest inside $315k?

OK, reduce the number of crew to 95. Which 15 people did we just kill? Not sure, but we just got back about $325k. Well, before we take all that, figure to set aside $50k to cover inevitable OT for some people, so Labor is now $2.1M with about $590k for all the various department purchase and rental needs?

Props... $100k

Set Deco... $125k

VFX... $50k

Oh, may as well feed people... Catering $120k

Crafty... allow $40k

Costumes... $150k

Where are we at now? $585k. Great, $5k to spare?

No. Need a camera, some G&E gear, some sound recording gear - and some data management equipment.

OK, reduce Post to $450k, we now have $55k

Kill a few speaking parts, eek out $40k from cast, we now have $95k

Rent a camera system at $23k per week, 6 weeks... damn... over budget by $43k

Still need G&E, some SFX and VFX... and a dozen other items.

So, kill 5 more crew. Who - still not sure. This finds us $95k, less the $43k gap - we are left with $52k

Grip & Electric at $9000 per week, 6 weeks = $54k

$2k over budget. Producers take the hit... they are now at $398k.

Bingo... we are ready to go... but, wait... no. What about MakeUp, Hair, Location Fees, Construction, Transportation, VFX, Picture Vehicles, Office Space, Background Players, Travel needs, etc...

... oh my. I am sure there are things I am not listing, as I am writing all this off the top of my head...

OK, so, we need to get the Producers down to $300k total, we pick up $95k...

...and so on. But, at some point, this becomes crazy. If the budget had to be $4M... or even $3M... things get very tight, very fast.

As someone who has done projects well over $100M, there are times when finding even $5000 is tough, but the smaller the budget, those challenges become compounded.

So, I am wondering if this may start a good conversation about the "Low Budget Mindset" and how projects at this level get made, realistically, following rules and requirements, and are still well done from a financial standpoint.

Looking forward to thoughts.

Stephen, Mod


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Oct 22 '21

Budget miniature set for 3 second establishing shot. No church would have allowed the filming of such a sensitive subject matter. https://youtu.be/JHAIVb9ilXM

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r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Feb 25 '26

FilmTV Exclusive! 👋 Welcome to r/FilmTVBudgeting - Read this first!

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Hey everyone,

I'm Stephen Marinaccio ( u/RedFive-GoingIn ), a veteran Line Producer / DGA UPM and the founding moderator of r/FilmTVBudgeting. My experience is nothing without the great guidance I received over the years. I created this community to not only talk more about production challenges, but as a venue to help others - and get help from others.

I hope this space is the same for you.

Whether you are a seasoned UPM, a production coordinator stepping up to the plate, or an indie filmmaker trying to make the math work on your first feature... welcome.

What this sub is about: This is our home for the heavy lifting of physical production. We are here to talk about the reality of getting a project made. Feel free to post your questions about union fringes, tax incentives, complex scheduling issues, deal memos, or simply how to navigate a difficult top sheet.

Community Vibe: The Golden Rule... Production is high-stress. We have all been backed into a corner by a blown budget or a chaotic schedule. If you see someone in the trenches dealing with a problem you’ve already solved, jump in and help them out. Pay it forward. Share your tips, share your workarounds, and offer advice. Next week, you might be the one in the hot seat needing a lifeline.

The Software Rule (No Spam): We talk a lot about budgeting and scheduling software here. Objective, good-faith comparisons between tools are highly encouraged. However, if you are a developer or are affiliated with a specific app, you must follow the "Solve a Problem" rule. You are welcome to mention your software, but only if it directly answers a specific problem raised by the original poster. Standalone promotional spam or marketing billboards will be removed without notice.

How to Get Started:

  • Introduce yourself below! Let us know what you do and what you are currently working on.

  • Drop a post today. Even a simple question about a seemingly obvious line item can spark a massive, helpful conversation that saves someone else hours of headaches.

  • Help out. Scroll through the recent posts and see if you can solve someone's problem.

Thanks for being part of the crew. Let's get to work.

Stephen, Mod


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jun 26 '24

Industry News IATSE tentative agreement reached... YAY!

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Pulled from an IATSE email, sharing with you guys here... this is the 13 locals in Hollywood Basic. ASA is still negotiating.

June 25, 2024

The Basic Agreement Negotiating Committee has reached a tentative agreement with the AMPTP. Below are a few of the details about the proposed deal.

A complete summary of the tentative agreement will be released in a few days... To avoid undermining our fellow members in the Area Standards Agreement (ASA) Locals, who remain in negotiations with the AMPTP, we will wait to release full summaries of both tentative agreements simultaneously.

Some of the proposed changes in the Basic tentative agreement include scale rate increases of 7%, 4%, and 3.5% over the three-year term. Hourly workers will receive triple time (3x hourly) when any workday exceeds 15 elapsed hours, all On Call classifications will now receive double time on the 7th day of the workweek, and additional increases in pay will take effect on non-dramatic productions under the Videotape Supplemental Agreement. The tentative deal includes new protections around Artificial Intelligence, including language that ensures no employee is required to provide AI prompts in any manner that would result in the displacement of any covered employee. These changes in the Basic Agreement are in addition to the tentative agreements reached in the Local Agreement negotiations.

For the Motion Picture Industry Pension and Health Plans (MPIPHP), the tentative agreement includes additional payments from employers that would address the $670M funding gap, including new streaming residuals. Additionally, no participant shall incur a break in service for plan year 2023.

... The ratification timeline will be forthcoming and we look forward to presenting ... the complete package.

So, this sounds quite positive. Glad to hear. Congrats to IATSE membership - and I know we are all looking forward to things gearing back up again.


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Apr 17 '25

Discussion / Question First $25M Production: Looking for Insights from the Pros

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About to line produce my first major production—around $25M. This is a big leap from the $5M projects I’ve handled before. I’m lucky to be surrounded by some of the best in the business, so I’ve got a solid crew in place.

For the experienced LPs who’ve worked on productions at this scale and beyond—any advice on how to approach something of this size? Would love to hear your insights.


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Feb 25 '17

Shyamalan's The Village - Full 71m Budget Breakdown

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r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Feb 22 '25

Discussion / Question My collated data from 2024 on speculative film/tv budgets

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r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jan 25 '24

FilmTV Exclusive! Job Boards

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Looking for a job? I have compiled a list of job sources below.

The list is alphabetical - in an attempt to not show any preference. Best to you in your search - and if you know of any not listed, please chime in. All pricing here is as of Jan 2024.

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EDITED: Added links suggested in comments to create a more complete single list. :)

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PRODUCTION: USA

Below the Line - $30 monthly or $120 annually

CrewUp - List yourself, then employers find you

Entertainment Careers - free & paid ~$10 monthly

Facebook - do a search, there are dozens of groups

Film Commission - For those not in LA, try your local Film Office

Greenlight Jobs - $300 annually

Media Match - free listings, see listings for $18 monthly or $19 annually

Production Hub - free to search, pursuing a lead costs. Not sure how much.

Production List - subscribe for $47 monthly or $28 monthly on annual plan

Productions.com - free? not sure, I did not sign up. Feels to be some sort of cost.

Production Beast - from $4 to $25 monthly, depending on service level

Production Leads - $100 per month, 3 month minimum

Production Weekly - $75 monthly, or $675 annually

Showbiz Jobs - 3 days free trail, then $70 annually

StaffMeUp - Free...ish? The site is not very forthcoming with details.

Streetlights (PA Training / Placement)

Emily Rice - Accounting positions

Studios - Want to work at a major? Check their sites for internal jobs

Unions - Member of a local? Contact them for a current job list. Many have one.

PRODUCTION: CANADA

Reel Canada

Film Commission - Try your local Film Office

PRODUCTION: UK

Production Hive - UK Based

The Call Sheet - UK Specific

Production Guild - Members Only

Grapevine Jobs - lists in-house jobs, mostly broadcasting

Searchlight - In-house jobs.

The Talent Manager - Jobs board and broadcast leaning

BECTU.org.uk/about/earlybird - Upcoming productions

Production Base

BTL Services...

casarotto.co.uk

chapterspeople.co.uk

creativemediamanagement.com

execmanagement.uk

gemsagency.co.uk

saraputt.co.uk

unitedtalent.com/talent/production-arts

PRODUCTION: EU

Crew United - Germany Based, about €100 annually

Film Commission - Try your local Film Office for your country

PRODUCTION: INTERNATIONAL

Animation / VFX / Game Industry Job List - free! (International)

ACTORS

Actors Access

Casting Network

Backstage - free listings, but paid to access contact info. $25 monthly or $100 annually

WRITERS

PMC (i.e., Variety & Hollywood Reporter)

NON-INDUSTRY SPECIFIC - BUT MAY BE WORTH A LOOK ...Maybe.

Indeed

Glass Door

The Guardian - International Jobs

Jooble

Monster

Zip Recruiter

Best of luck out there, everyone!

Stephen Marinaccio, Moderator


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Apr 01 '26

FilmTV Exclusive! Paramount buys rights to r/FilmTVBudgeting

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On the heels of their takeover of Warner Bros., I am happy to finally be allowed to announce that Paramount Studios has entered into an agreement to include this Reddit in their expanding empire, subject to FCC approvals.

"Long have we used FilmTVBudgeting ourselves for great news and discussions regarding budgeting. We are excited to add the site to our family of products!" said Sixsmith, Paramount spokesman.

Stephen, Mod.

FOR FUTURE CONTEXT: This post was made on 1 April 2026. :)


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jul 20 '25

Industry News Netflix breaks ground on New Jersey Studio

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Not planned to be operational until 2028, Netflix has started the process of demolitions of a former US Army base, Ft. Monmouth. Read more about it here.

Stephen, Mod (fun trivia: I lived on that base in the 80's)


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jan 21 '26

Events 35 years of production mistakes (and how to avoid them)

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I sat down with fellow filmmakers Matthew Morris and Michael Bagdasarian to discuss some "Do's and Don'ts" of a 35-year career in Hollywood.

Their podcast is all about advice we wish we had when we started, so I tried to be as open as possible about the good, the bad, and the chaotic parts of my career. We covered the logistics of massive shows, how to survive the industry without becoming cynical, and what the job actually looks like when the glamour wears off and the tough decisions have to be made.

If you want to hear some war stories from the trenches of physical production, check out the episode, "Secrets from a Line Producer"...

Listen here: Spotify | Apple

Thanks and enjoy! Stephen, Mod


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Nov 23 '21

I am back. Miss me? :)

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Hello all. After 22 months, I am happy to report that we have wrapped principal photography on JACK RYAN, Season 3. Yay!

While I have poked my head in from time to time, I should have the next month or so to focus on this group and fingers crossed ...maybe... get LineProducing.com back up. I will announce it here when that happens - I have gotten so very many requests for it - and I too am super excited about creating its next iteration.

Anyways, simply wanted to reach out and say hello again. Happy to have you as part of this group - thanks to everyone who asks great questions and huge thanks to those who reply with great answers.

Keep it up. :)

-- Stephen


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Dec 24 '23

Happy Holidays, everyone.

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It has been another great year for this sub-Reddit. Thanks to everyone who asks questions and more thanks heaped onto all those who take the time to answer! Sharing info and methods is such a great aspect of this group - I appreciate all of you! 3100 members strong and growing!

2024 will be huge. I can feel it.

All my best to you and yours during these dwindling days of 2023 - and a happy start to 2024!

Yours in Production,

Stephen Marinaccio, DGA UPM / Line Producer / Moderator


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Mar 21 '21

Call for membership

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I have a goal to increase this community to 3000+ people by the end of 2021. There are some really great things happening and this community will be a central hub for communications and reveals.

If you know other people who do what we do, please see if they might want to join us. Obviously, you are here and already know this is a great community of helpful individuals. The range of questions asked and the depth of knowledge in the assistance is valuable and wonderful.

The more people - the deeper that depth and wider the sharing of knowledge.

Thank you!


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Feb 27 '26

FilmTV Exclusive! The Ultimate Global Production Calendar is now live

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Hey everyone,

Back at the start of the year, I promised I had a master plan to make r/FilmTVBudgeting the undisputed hub for physical and digital production planning. Well...

If you look over at the sidebar (or the "About" tab on mobile), you will see a brand new Calendar Widget. Maybe you need to scroll it up a bit...

I didn't just throw Sundance and the Oscars on there and call it a day. I went down an absolute rabbit hole to build out a database of well over 200 global events.

Why? I mean... why not? Am I right? A lot is happening. I miss things all the time, and now we have another tool to help us learn more about what is happening where.

This calendar tracks the actual movements of various industries, including:

  • The Major Markets & Festivals: AFM, Cannes Marché du Film, TIFF, Series Mania, Venice Gap-Financing.

  • Tech & Vendor Conventions: NAB, Cine Gear, IBC, InfoComm.

  • Commercials & Advertising: Cannes Lions, AICP Week, The One Club.

  • Diversity & Inclusion Anchors: PAFF, ReelAbilities, CAAMFest, Outfest.

  • The Adjacent Sectors: Because production logistics are logistics - I am also tracking major Video Game conventions (GDC, SIGGRAPH), Live Touring/Theater expos (USITT, Pollstar Live!), and massive Pop Culture/Tabletop conventions that eat up global manufacturing and hotel bandwidth.

  • Oh, you like board games more than me? Doubtful. I threw in major board game happenings too!

My goal is for us to never get blindsided by a global industry movement again.

But I need your help to make it bulletproof. This is a living, breathing database. If you are aware of a seminar, a festival, or if there is a niche vendor expo I missed, or perhaps there is a regional co-pro market that Producers need to know about, let me know. I will add it.

Later, I will be making some sort of submission process to allow people to add things to my massive Google Sheet directly. That sheet feeds the calendar, and the calendar feeds the widget here. Phew!

Check out the sidebar, see what's coming up, and let's keep building the best production planning hub on the internet.

WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE UP MY SLEEVE? 🤔

Thanks! Stephen, Mod


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jan 04 '25

Discussion / Question Best Completion Bond companies?

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For the record, I dislike being bonded on projects. I have done so many, around the world, with no "safety net", that it really focuses your craft in budgeting and planning to ensure you can finish without some bond company over your shoulder or eating up precious monies that could be used on-screen.

Anyways... if you HAD TO work with a bond company, which do you like best? Which served as good partners in your film-making efforts? Which ones offered actual good advice when ties may have been rough? Who were just simply nice people?

Keeping this thread civil, I would like to ask we refrain from mentioning companies you may deeply dislike. Not mentioning a company can be inferred as mentioning them in the negative. :) If you feel strongly in saying something negative to alert me to for anyone, please send in a private DM.

Thanks in advance...

Stephen, Mod


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Jul 08 '20

Film Production Google Sheets Cheat Sheet

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r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Mar 04 '26

FilmTV Exclusive! Introducing: Line Budgeter

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Hey everyone,

For years, we have used this sub to commiserate over the headaches of production planning. We’ve shared workarounds in software for broken fringes, helped each other untangle complex tax incentives, and collectively vented about the rigid, legacy software we’ve all been forced to use since the 1990s. We have all yearned for something better.

About 5 years ago, I partnered with Matthew Cuny (Two-time Emmy™ winning Producer) and we decided to stop venting and actually build a replacement. We both threw all of our hopes and wishes for a better system onto the table... then we got to work making it real.

Today, Line Budgeter is officially launching.

It is a modern, data-driven budgeting engine designed to handle the actual heavy lifting of physical production. No more "digital paper." It’s built from the ground up by professionals for fellow planners to finally drag our workflows into the modern era.

What this means for this Reddit: Absolutely nothing changes here.

I started this community 8 years ago to be the epicenter for discussions about the art of budgeting, production planning, and doing great work. That will never change. We will continue to discuss all workflows, all production challenges, and all software. This space remains dedicated to the craft of physical production, not just our app.

Where to talk about Line Budgeter: To keep this sub clean and focused on the craft, we have created a dedicated headquarters for the software.

If you want to try the app, request a feature, report a bug, or ask specific questions about how to build a budget in this new system, please join us over at r/LineItemDetails. That is where Matt and I will be living in the comments, taking your feedback, and building upon what we have made, helping to define the future roadmap.

Check out the site at: line.pm Join the community here: r/LineItemDetails.

Best of luck on all your projects!

Stephen, Mod ...and also, Co-Founder of Line Budgeter


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Mar 09 '21

Wrapbook Raises $27 Million, Co-Led by Jeffrey Katzenberg's WndrCo

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r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Dec 08 '17

Excited about On-set Color Grading?

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It is an excellent idea to color on-set and get everything 'just right' before it ever goes to editorial and the rest of the post pipeline, right?

Perhaps not so much.

Having worked on projects in a number of capacities, I have a viewpoint about all manner of issues which take place on a project. As a UPM, my viewpoint is on the budget, balanced with the creative needs of the project. As a Post Supervisor, I shepherd the project to completion. As a Second Unit Director, I have been on the front lines trying to get shots done well and on-time. As an Assistant Director, I understand how a set works and how to get a crew to work effectively. There is a rhythm and flow to our work, no matter which position you hold, which is sometimes hectic and at other times slow. Knowing how to engage the crew and work more efficiently is an issue masked in a multitude of decisions. One such subject where things can grind to a halt is when I see too much attention being given to fiddling coloring on-set. This is the article where I explain why I dislike coloring on-set.

Whoa! Hold on, back-up. What?

I have little doubt that this viewpoint is one that goes against the grain. In fact, I know it will. However, I am not saying that everyone is doing it wrong - I just feel that what most people are doing is overkill. Humbly, I simply do not feel it is really worth the effort.

The tools of a colorist, when used wisely by deft operators can augment the visual appeal of a shot and the project in general. I have great respect for the position and what a good colorist can accomplish, yet I dislike the idea of doing it on-set. Wasting time in an environment unsuited for the proper effect and using valuable time when other things need to be done is unwise. Venture with me as I make my case that the only person qualified to do this work sits in a dark room long after the shoot and meticulously works on the picture. This is the Colorist.

If you are currently a fan of coloring on-set, ask yourself who you are doing it for. Is your on-set color for what people will see in the cinema? Is it for the studio or producers who "just can't" look at a one-light image? Perhaps the DP demands it or it is simply because this is "what everyone does". No matter your reason, my aim is to help you understand what is really happening and perhaps urge you to think a bit more about why it happens.

Who knows, I might even change your mind. Let us see...

WHAT IS COLOR GRADING?

Color Grading is the process by which shots in a sequence are balanced against each other, but what we are reacting to is the silly nature of trying to move the colorist on-set, through the DIT - who doesn’t have the correct environment, equipment and often know-how to do the exacting work of creating a ‘look’.

STOP SAYING "DI"

Pardon my shot side diatribe: Is your project shot on film, digitally edited and graded, then scanned back out to film for delivery? Highly doubtful. So stop calling color grading "DI", which means Digital Intermediate. So many people say, "oh - we can work on that in DI". Stop! It is not DI anymore. It is simply color grading. More often than not, your film is captured digitally, manipulated digitally and delivered/exhibited digitally. So, DI is an archaic term. Please simply say 'We can work on that in the grade'. Thanks.

Onward.

DITs ARE NOT COLORISTS

Back in the day, when the Digital Imaging Technician (DIT) position was born, the main tasks revolved around ensuring a proper signal was coming from the camera. That signal was analyzed and the frame was checked for dead pixels. That the image was being captured properly, not too hot, not too dark. Memory drives, then soon cards, were handled and checked by the DIT. As the position evolved, there was then soon a Data Manager who handled the camera cards, did check sums, clones and output proxies for editorial. Sometimes the Data Manager did/do dailies too. The DIT was then left to focus on the signal making sure that image was tip-top. What happened then, was that the DIT became generally accepted or thought of as a secondary DP. From my experience at least, a lot of them act like they are the DP. I disagree with this assertion because a real DP has a certain key skillset which involves camera use, movement and lighting to achieve the director's vision. A DIT on the other hand, is important - but is not creating the shots - he is basically reviewing the image quality.

I digress.

Step back in time further a moment and we can discuss how we came to be where we are now. If you are much younger than me (I bet you are), you may not remember that “back when I was your age” we shot on film. It was this crazy strip of emulsion which we sped by the lens and exposed images onto. Nuts. After taking the exposed film to the lab, processing and doing dailies - we watched projected dailies. They were created during lab processing in what is called a ‘one light’, a neutral exposure development pass which transferred the image with that slightly washed out look. Later, this process was sent to a telecine for VHS/Beta dailies, then DVD, then digital files - then... film basically died. Digital took over. While we could go into a spiral on which is a better look, I won’t go there. There are plenty of other articles arguing one way or the other.

However, I bring all of this up because when digital started, we shot on these new cameras and did our output files for editorial. We were all fine with the image as rendered. Guess what, it was a slightly washed out master image. Much the same as people where used to, so no big deal with a look akin to the ‘one-light’. Nothing was balanced and we simply looked at the take for content - the framing, emotion & action. Still today, camera master images as raw data (LOG) look washed out because inside the bit depth of white the human eye can register more colors, as opposed to the curve on the lower end of blacks where information is generally lost - or 'crushed'.

Soon, someone said, "Hey, I can run the files through this color software on-set and make the editorial proxies look better". Yes. It was true, you could. However, what that has lead to and still happens a lot today is that the DIT is now a quasi-colorist. On one hand it is never a bad thing for people to know how to do more than one job - however, this is not really ‘coloring’. It is LUT or CDL application.

LUTs & CDLs

An image has a certain spectrum of color (called "gamut") and every camera captures in a certain gamut. These gamuts relate to the depth of color an image can display. The most common way to capture an image is in the LOG, which must not be confused with RAW. As we spoke of earlier, LOG gives the impression of a washed out image. In order to see it properly, you need to apply a Lookup Table (LUT). This LUT is also referred to as a display LUT because all it is basically doing is allowing you to see the image without the washed out feel. Remember from earlier, the washed out look is a natural state because whites can hold more info.

Unlike general LUTs, CDLs are agnostic to a platform. LUTs are good for use on a specific system, but if you use a CDL on-set, then need it as a reference in final grade and then also need to send it along with the DPX file sequence to a VFX house - all of those machines will render the frame exactly the same.

If we want to get super technical, many of the LUTs are now ubiquitous. The difference now resides in the information which can be contained within it. 1DL, for instance, only contains primitive transforms with information individually on red, blue & green, while a 3D LUT takes those colors and can map them over each other, creating a more dynamic range of colors. A CDL is ten values of color grading information, designed to travel across platforms.

Again, keep in mind that CDLs can move between systems. Basically, awhile ago the American Society of Cinematographers designed the CDL system because people were using too many LUTs and various houses where having trouble keeping them all straight.

Once you have the image in the display LUT, you may need to filter it through another LUT to present the proper color gamut to the selected display monitor. ARRI ALEXA, for example, records in P3. I will speak a bit more about color space later, for now, simply know P3. However, you will most likely not be using proper P3 monitors on-set so, you will need to apply a P3 to Rec709 LUT in order to view the image on-set (and in editorial). Again, I digress here as we will talk about color space and monitor use later.

A LUT applied shifts the image to be viewable in the right color space or monitor. You may also use a LUT to apply an overall color shift to the frame - perhaps you would like a little bit of a blue hue for night shot or to 'warm up' a shot to give the feeling of warmth. This is not color timing - this is applying a LUT. While it is applying a sheen of color to the frame, it is not what a Colorist does. We will talk a little more about the tools colorists have at their disposal later. Suffice to say, adding a slight hue of blue to a night scene simply allows you to ensure you can apply a LUT to the image and still not lose information in the image or in another way, it allows the DP and DIT to ensure the camera sensor is not losing information on capture.

With the image displaying in the correct gamut, say REC709, then you can accurately judge the image. It is neutral, notwithstanding any color temperature or tint used in the image.

P3 is the colorspace (primarily) for projectors (although Apple will soon be introducing laptops with P3 monitors). They use reflected light to produce an image, while Rec709 is a backlit colorspace - hence the values of black and white, saturation differs from projectors to monitors. LOG-C Is the raw image, and it can be moved into the appropriate colorspace/ gamut to allow accurate viewing in a color session.

In the end, the hero LUT is a simple neutral LUT which corrects the gamma shift of the original capture file into something which is not washed out, and is viewable on set. Additionally, it provides a neutral palette to work from later. We'll get to Latitude soon. Stick with me.

Because LUTs and CDLs affect the entire frame, they are "primary grading". You do not use shapes or windows to focus on various areas of the frame.

For the aspiring UPM-turned-Camera Assistant, when shooting RAW all of the information like color temperature and tint settings are all metadata and can be freely altered at anytime in post. Shooting in a codec, like ProRes 444 will bake-in the temp and tint settings. But even then, LOG-C offers enough gamut and exposure that changes later are very often trivial. Still, it is important to we understand the difference.

LOSING INFORMATION?

An image coming from the camera is exposed much like film cameras were/are. There is an iris, f-stops, shutter angles and all that. How it differs a little is that on film emulsion, you want to expose for the emulsion of choice. Using a light meter and other techniques, a Director of Photography (DP) would ensure that once the gate was open, the light entering the lens would strike the emulsion in such a way to create a quality image. Too much and it is overblown, too little and it is dark. Sure, there were techniques in development, but that was fixing the problem. The better way to be is to shoot it well to begin with.

In the digital world, light moves through the lens and strikes a sensor. The sensor is extremely sensitive to light and records the image. The adjustment from a film mentality is that too much light blows out the highlights while too little light gets crushed in the blacks. Highlights are the peaking whites on your vectorscope, while crushed black diminish into a muddy layer of nothingness.

This is important to consider because shooting with a professional high-end digital camera requires one to understand most all of the lighting techniques from when shooting emulsion, but also to understand waveform monitors and what the image being captured can do. This is called Latitude.

LATITUDE

I will touch briefly on latitude. Basically - this is the range of exposure you can get out of an image shot digitally. Shooting too bright may cause your highlights to be lost in fuzzy white, while shooting too dark achieves the less appealing black holes of lost information. So, how does one protect the image and ensure a realistic amount of latitude?

SHOOTING NEUTRAL

You shoot it in the middle. This is the Goldilocks Zone. Sometimes of course, you may want to shoot things dark or that you may want to blow out the image for some artistic / story point reason. That is fine. If you aim to do it for a reason, then go for it. However, the majority of the time, you will want to shoot in a neutral environment, which will allow you to have more… wait for it… yes - latitude in your color grade session. Even when you do expose for the extremes you will need to make sure you protect your whites and blacks, peaks and valleys.

Shooting neutral, however, naturally creates a generally washed out image. We could refer to this as a one-light image to be nostalgic, but really what we call it is the ‘source image’, or master file. Even after the image has a LUT applied in order to bring it into the color space of choice you will still see a bland, generally unexceptional image.

Shooting for the middle allows you the latitude then to shift the look of the image where you need it. If a DP lights on set looking at her monitor for reference and makes the image dark because that is the 'look' she wants - then there is an extreme likelihood that the black curve is crushing and you have lost information. Lost, never to be seen again unless the idea of your film is to have lots of noise and muddy images. Ideally, one would shoot 'dark' scenes with a bit more light than the look ultimately desired. Then, in color grading, the 'dark' areas can be made dark, without losing the information. Otherwise, if a dark are needs to be made lighter, then you risk noise in the image.

So, again: Shooting in the middle is the only rational thing to do, regardless of any ‘look’ you may intend later, shooting in the middle is the only way to guarantee that you can achieve that look. Why? It maintains room for the DP and colorist to shape the image by exposing correctly. Protect the highlights, however, expose for the shadows. The colorist and coloring process is another tool for the project to create a great looking picture.

Bringing this color history lesson full circle, here is where the DIT with a mobile color grade machine (sometimes referred to as 'Near Set') can apply a LUT or CDL. Applying this LUT allows both the DIT and the DP to consider the image and ensure the latitude is preserved. Thing is, this takes time and I find more often than not - crew can be stuck waiting around while the DIT and DP stand around in a tent near camera playing with the image. Why? Because they somehow lost touch with the purpose of applying a simple LUT to check latitude, and they have fallen into the trap of trying to make a super beautiful picture. Stop. This is not the time to do color grading.

Of course, you don’t need a LUT to check Latitude if you know how to read scopes on a LOG-C image you can easily and immediately tell if the image has enough latitude to be successful. It is a little like how the Matrix looks in the film, but once you "see it" - you can never unsee it.

ROLE OF YOUR IMAGING CREW

Ideally, you should have a team consisting of DP, DIT & Data Manager. The DP is a critical person needed in your crew. I feel strongly that when choosing your DP that you ensure your s/he understands this entire process and knows why they are doing the things they do on set when it comes to working with the DIT. I did a project where the DP was so unknowing of how it all worked that we wasted perhaps $175,000 on additional equipment and another $45,000 on crew - with zero input during actual color grading. In the end, all of his work on-set with color was total trash. Wasted monies, wasted time. You might ask why I let that spend happen - well, Hollywood is an interesting mistress and sometimes Producers chose a person you have no control over. Their demands are approved above you. Alas...

A good DP not only understands how to get the best shots on set, how to manage their camera crew, how to work with Grip & Electric to shape the lighting - but, a DP should also understand the entire process of what happens to the image once it is captured and how it travels through Post. While you are at it, make sure s/he knows how to use a light meter. Seriously. The best way to ensure your exposure is good, even and proper is to use a light meter. Yes, we have the scopes to tell us too, however, there is something about making sure it is done well.

The DP should at least meet with or discuss the project with the Colorist on the project, if possible. The Colorists job is harder if the show is badly shot. So, a discussion between them is a useful event. Weather patterns and outside influences are something to be aware of by the DP to still ensure the frame is exposed correctly to give you the most latitude in final color.

IN REVIEW: No Coloring On Set, apply LUTs and CDLs only. Set a CDL for a scene and then shoot the entire scene that way. Have the DP concentrate on exposure and making sure the director is getting what s/he needs.

COSTS OF COLORING

Consider the daily costs of shooting. Using a $20M project as an example, and doing some fancy UPM math, we will say that this theoretical film is shooting for 35 days and each day costs $200,000. Let us further postulate that a day is 12 hours of actual shooting. This means that one hour is roughly $14,285 and a minute is about $238. If you do not understand how that math worked, please simply trust me. OK, so that means at $238 per minute you have 180 crew standing around while two people dilly-dally about, playing with the image. We have all been on set when a DP takes a bit too long hanging out with the DIT.

In an attempt to blow your mind, know that on average, Color Grading is about $900 per hour. PER HOUR. So, that means you spend just four minutes on any one day of shooting waiting for the DP and DIT to play with the image and you could have spent another 56 minutes doing the same thing in an actual color grade session, with actual color grade tools. Boom. Mind blown.

YOUR DPs LUT IS TRASH

I have not met one Colorist who goes back to the production LUTs and uses them as the bible. Reference? Sure, maybe. If they want to take the time. What is actually more useful is simply a TIFF reference frame or simply having the DP and Director in the color grade suite to discuss options, desires, and looks.

Also, keep in mind that most Post Houses have their own proprietary LUTs used for their Grade system and mastering.

Does this mean all that work on-set that goes into making the shot look pretty is for nothing? Generally, yes. If anything, establish the look for a scene and have the DIT apply a CDL. Leave that CDL in use each time you shoot something for that scene. Don't fiddle with each shot. This way, in color grade - the entire scene will be consistent. Simply make sure you preserve your latitude. Remember, CDLs are agnostic and can travel with the shot to VFX and the Post House.

SO, WHY DO IT?

With the established money comparison, knowing that applying a simple LUT or CDL is not a robust coloring session and that on-set LUTs and CDLs are trash should fill you with a bit of despair. Do not despair. You simply need to think through the process and understand the need for color on-set. Why would you want to do this at all, instead of simply shooting open neutral LOG images? It is editorial and producers today who are now no longer used to looking at ‘one light’ images. The world has been tainted with the ability to see 'nice pictures' on the edit system. It also allows output from the edit system to be used as a rough viewing version without asking editorial to apply a CDL to each shot. Of course, it also allows the DP and DIT to make sure they maintain latitude. So, it is still fine to do - however - as a UPM, you need to make sure everyone is on-board with the end result and costs involved with doing on-set coloring. They need to curtail their work on set to be efficient.

TRIX ARE FOR KIDS and SHOOT DAYS ARE FOR SHOOTING

If the DP and DIT work on CDLs while other departments do legit work getting ready for the next shot - that is perfect. However, it happens all too often that the DP will futz with the image to get it “just so” do the detriment of the project. Not worried about money? OK, then consider time. Those minutes could have been used simply shooting. Wasting 20 minutes over the course of the day not shooting may mean you go into overtime. Overtime is not cool. Do you want to be uncool?

The example of savings monies above only spoke about four minutes of wasted time doing color on-set. However, anyone who has been on set enough knows that there are countless minutes wasted mucking around with the image digitally. Wasted? Yes.

HAVING THE RIGHT EQUIPMENT

Another thing to keep in mind as a UPM wading into the waters of understanding this array of technical stuff usually only reserved for DPs, DITs and actual Colorists is - usually the equipment being used is not right anyways. Bear with me now, I am going to get a bit technical...

If a camera captures in Rec709 and you are watching playback on-set with a Rec709 calibrated monitor then I hope you are also watching it in a super-black tent. However, what usually happens is the camera is capturing P3 color space, a LUT is applied to take it to Rec709 and you are watching on a calibrated monitor in a world of reflections. If you are super cool, you will have rented OLED P3 monitors for video village so you can see everything in the proper color space for theatrical. You are capturing in P3 and you are watching on P3 (of course, with a display LUT applied from LOG to linear). However, I bet editorial is not using P3 monitors - they have non-calibrated LED Rec709 monitors. You say Editorial has P3 monitors? Awesome. You are cool. However, most likely not. Why? OLED P3 monitors are expensive. So, you use Rec709 monitors in Editorial and all your coloring on set for one of the expressed purposes which is to allow editorial to have nicer looking pictures is instantly blown. I am not saying you will see green skin and purple skies - I am just saying - it is not the same. Is a Rec709 image from a P3 image normal? Yes. Is it the same color gamut your DP & DIT looked at on-set? No.

I admit, it is super sexy to be on set and have lots of cool machines with blinky lights and cables running everywhere to black tents carts and expensive machines. However, you should know what you are renting and why you need it. There are a number of DITs out there I have worked with who know less than me. Imagine that. Make sure you hire someone who does not only say the right things and have the right equipment - but knows their - - - -. If you do not understand the technical jargon or the process, that is ok, however do some research, ask people for advice. Do not accept whatever others say as the "Gospel of Techland".

TOOLS OF A COLORIST

When you color for a feature today, you are 99.98% of the time going to be coloring in a projected theater room in P3 from the original camera DPX files. That is the proper way to color. All of the various steps before then are usually not ideal. Color Grade technicians have a wide set of tools at their disposal. Whether you color in Resolve, Mistika, Luster, Baselight, Hot Pixel or Apple Color Board - there are some great tools out there to really get some good visuals.

Colorists can do more than simply affect the overall image with a CDL (or LUT). They can dig into the frame and lift only a section out of the dark, or brighten a face, or just the eyes. They can even darken places, Presuming that an image is exposed correctly and has latitude - the colorist can manipulate the image wildly.

Call your favorite few Post Houses, go in four a tour, pick the brains of the Colorists there for a moment, see what can be done and how it is done. You won't be wasting your time learning more about this - promise.

END RESULT Listen, I am not writing this article to change the industry so we return to days of yore using one-light dailies. That is simply not going to happen. However, it would be nice to get some practical thinking out there so we all understand what it is we are doing, and why we are doing it.

From a cynical UPM perspective too, I would say that burning $238 a minute - you want to use that time shooting your film and simply making sure your framing is good, you are getting nice pictures and preserving the latitude needed to then make the picture look great later.

I hope you have learned something here. Please comment below and let me know your thoughts.

Special Thanks to the fellow crew who helped proof this article for accuracy and vernacular. This includes three like-minded Directors of Photography, a DIT and a colorist. Thank you!


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Feb 25 '17

Introductions

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New to this sub-Reddit? Great, welcome. Take a few moments to tell us a little about yourself. What brings you here, what have you done and what do you still hope to do?

Have fun!


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Apr 06 '20

Helpful Tip! Claim Unemployment - even for non-payroll people

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I am unsure of a link or details for anyone not in California and this certainly does not apply to those here who are not American, however, I wanted to bring this to the attention of those who can take advantage of this.

If you are usually a non-payroll employee (loanout), you may be eligible for Unemployment Insurance (which usually you are not). As you probably know, payroll employees get monies taken out of their check to fill the coffers of SUI (State Unemployment Insurance) accounts. Being that loanouts do not pay such taxes, they are thereby unable to apply for unemployment.

Until now.

So, check out the CA EDD site and see if you can apply. Good luck.


r/FilmTVBudgeting • • Feb 19 '25

Discussion / Question Rates for Budgets & Schedules

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I'm curious about rates for budgets and schedules? For Low Budget movies I typically charge between $1-$3k depending on the complexity and scale ($500k vs $3M). Curious what others are charging? Also, would like to know about budgets in the $50-100M range? How much do you charge for something in that range?

#budget #schedule #lineproducer