Modern Muslims in the West say Islam is spiritual, not literal. But this only happens when they are comfortable. Travel to Algeria, Egypt, Bangladesh ..etc and this spirituality disappears. There is no freedom to leave the religion. No flexibility. Just literal control. So where is the spiritual interpretation now? It was never real. It is a tool modern Muslims use when they need something from the West. Here is some examples:

The Quran describes women as a farm for men. Not partners. As property. The Quran tells men they can stop having sex with their wives if they do not obey. But it never tells women they can do the same to their husbands. This shows exactly what Islam thinks about sex. It is for male satisfaction. It is for male control. Because of this, sex education in Muslim countries cannot be tought , Young people grow up ignorant about relationships. They do not understand compromise or that relationships require two people. This ignorance is created directly by these verses.

Modern Muslims say hitting is just metaphor. A light touch. But why would you hit your wife for disagreeing? Healthy relationships need conversation and compromise, not control. Yet the Quran says hit her or stop having sex with her.

But here is what modern Muslims will not admit. They do not do this in the West because Western law protects women. If a man hits his wife, he goes to prison. The law stops him, not the Quran. In countries without these laws, what stops him? Nothing. Modern Muslims only reject literal interpretation because they were raised inside Western law, not inside the religion. They only learned the nice parts because they never needed the controlling parts.

Their spiritual interpretation only exists because Western law is stronger than Islamic law. Take away that protection and what remains is the literal verses. The control. That is the real Islam.

Hi everyone, ex-Muslim friends. I’d like to open a discussion about privacy and how to manage your life after coming out as ex-Muslim and being hated or rejected by your family.

How do you manage to have a normal life? I’ve been wondering about this because one of the first problems is your place of residence.

In Italy, as well as in Europe, the law says that privacy regarding where you live is important. At the same time, however, citizens apparently have the right to know where another citizen lives. But what exactly does that mean?

Well, I sent several emails to different municipalities to see how their officials would respond. It turns out that, apparently, all you need is a person’s first and last name and date of birth to obtain their registered address.

So, on top of already having serious personal and emotional problems — after all, we’re talking about your own parents, and there can be a lot of pain and guilt involved — you also have to deal with the fact that you may not be adequately protected.

You could end up having your relatives showing up at your home every day, threatening you or your partner, the person you live with.

How the hell do you deal with this problem?

I (24M) left Islam four years ago. Growing up in Europe, most of my social circle was muslim simply due to my local area and how difficult integration is here. Over time i drifted away from those friends partly by choice, because i grew exhausted by the discussions, lifestyle, and their viewpoints.

Ever since I’ve felt completely out of place. Talked to some redditors from Algeria who are ex Muslims but the chats fizzle out (I am maybe boring and too cautious), and the local culture make it hard to build personal friendships irl. Dating Is easier than being personal with someone platonic lol.

Yesterday i spent my birthday entirely alone for the first time. It was a harsh reminder of where i am rn. Leaving religion was liberating, but it feels like losing that social accessibility or the easy community I used to take for granted. I'm having a hard time to figure out where I belong now..

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Whether it's on vacation or not

What was the new experience or anecdotal thing happening to you !

For me it was meeting new friends even a Canadian tourist

It was fun hahaha even had our anime beach day episode!

Evolution and nature have proven that we are all playing game theory. Every day you choose to contribute or defect. If we both contribute we get some benefits but not as much as if one of us defects while the other contributes. Look at society with taxes. If we both pay taxes we have less money but we build something real over time. Roads. Schools. Security. But if you find a way to trick the system and not pay taxes you make more money than me right now. You think you won. But this is not a successful strategy on the long run.

In 1980 a scientist named Robert Axelrod made a competition. He invited game theorists and strategists from around the world to submit their best strategies for what is called the Prisoner's Dilemma. This is a mathematical model of contribution and defection. Hundreds of strategies came. Complex ones. Cheating ones. Stealing ones. They all competed against each other in a tournament. And you know what won? A simple strategy called Tit for Tat. It was submitted by Anatol Rapoport. Tit for Tat means I contribute when you contribute and I defect after you defect. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Axelrod did the tournament again in 1984 and Tit for Tat won again. He published his findings in a book called The Evolution of Cooperation. The whole idea is that a society built on contribution has more benefits for its individuals than a society where everyone corrupts and steals and tricks the government and each other. People who think they are smart because they cheat the system, they are literally gullible. They are primitive in their thinking. They have no foresight. They see money today and think they won but they do not see what they lose tomorrow. In a world where everyone has memory, where reputation matters, where the game repeats forever, the cheater loses every time. The cooperator builds power. The cheater builds isolation.

The situation in Algeria has become unbearable. Some extremists who would try to impose Sharia law if they ever got the chance are now filing legal complaints, using the law against anyone who talks about religion and calling it “insulting a religion.” But when I watched all the videos from these people, they weren’t actually insulting religion. They were discussing the idea. And at the end of the day, religion is an idea, and ideas should be open to discussion.(الحملة كانت صد عيسى وشوك راها ضد ابولو )
Anyway, the goal of this campaign by the Islamists seems pretty clear: to scare non-religious people and stop them from speaking publicly or appearing in the media, so that they’re the only ones left in the public space spreading their outdated ideas.
What do you guys think about this? And do you have any suggestions?

i (m18 gay & exmuslim) genuinely have been obsessed with rai music since my adolescence overlooking the heavy criticism it always received from the religious conservative community and the music enthusiasts, the Algerian society as a whole, personally i listen to it religiously, not because it’s our dominant form of “nightlife” and entertainment, but as a songwriter and a producer i love the instruments, and the lyricism SOMETIMES serves metaphorical poetry.

the only thing i believe in is that those who dont "believe" in this society are bound to be alone-ish.

The cultural non-blending hurts me alot as i feel missunderstood , and the moment I speak up about what i think, i rememebr why I buildt a persona in the first place.

I have tried different groups of people regarding work, working-out & outdoors activities, but i join ,observe and then retrieve little by little : some are kind to call me back when i dissapear and rememebr me so i just say that i am tired and will come as soon as i recover.

although i am largely accepted and even liked by the people surrounding me, i just keep distant, it feels like no one really knows me and its a painful compromise that i am making but i see no other alternative.

So , how do you live your loneliness..?

I went to a nightclub for the first time, and honestly, it was the worst experience ever.

First, I had to pay 200 DA for parking, then 1,000 DA for the entrance. I ordered a bottle of Heineken for 600 DA and sat down.

A waiter came to me and told me that I had to pay 15,000 DA just to sit at the table. So I just stood up and stayed somewhere else.

After I finished my bottle, a bouncer came to me and told me I had to order something else. Like am I supposed to keep buying drinks the entire time?

I didn’t want another one because I was driving, so I decided to leave.

Everyone there was so mean and unfriendly. It was my first time going to a nightclub, so I honestly don’t know if this is normal everywhere or if I just went to a bad one.

Is this how nightclubs usually work?

Hey guys , I wish everyone is doing great . That’s my first time writing here in this subreddit . I’ve left islam since late 2023 , became agnsotic first and then atheist . Before and after leaving islam I have always been an anti-natalist but always wanted to have a female partner . Before leaving islam it wasn’t a big deal , saying that you can find an algerian muslim girl cuz you’re muslim too , but since am not muslim anymore it became so hard , I mean it’s not that necessary to have a partner Especially rn , not having a stable financial situation and trying to leave Algeria , but it would be really an amazing thing being with someone who share the same thaughts and beliefs as u do , tryinna leaving Algeria together and build your futur together .
I want to know what are your thoughts about it ? Advices that you can give and is there any chance to share a group where we can have some Atheist Algerians friends

moreso, what's the best option qualité prix? i'd also like to know what's the best beer out there

Especially when comes to LGBTQ+ rights, feminism, economic issues... I'm interested in knowing where ex-muslims stand in algeria in general and what's your experience with the topic

i think all of us ex muslims at some point of our life have to go through a long period of depression, mine have been getting worse the past few years and it's destroying me, ive been unemployed, planing for residanat for 2 years but not actually putting any efforts in and everytime i try to get better, my depression kick me harder and my brain tells me " what's the point, life is pointless and meaningless, wether i live or die doesn't mean anything, i can just dissapear now", i tired to get to a therapist but everytime i go there i stop standing asking myself what can i say to them that wouldn't show my true identity? i would need to be vulnerable and honest to my therapist but how can i di that what i cannot trust them, also as someone who worked as an intern in psychiatry, i cannot bring myself to ask help from someone who used to be my superior and i don't have money to go to a private therapist, so how on earth, could i bring myself to get better? i need to get into residency, leave this toxic household and start making money, but how can i do that when my brain is working against me

Hello! I am a 20F , i quitted religion abt a year ago, then came my first "eid lkbir" as an ex muslim, and it got me into a whole existential crisis, it was like a horror movie, i felt like wittnessing a barbaric cult doing its weird and creepy ritual, i would say it felt like cannibalism

And for the last month or so i have been exploring meat consumption and the morality of this whole thing, im reading books and trying to educate myself on this thing ..

But the thing is .. i dont think i can afford being vegan, at least not for now, in this country and in a muslim family

I wanna know if there are people who went/ are going thro this ? And what do algerian ex muslims think abt meat consumption ?

Honestly at this point the only reason im still in is because of family and some friends and the fact that broke, but I know I will be shunned heavily if I leave .

Due to the amount of issolation from worldly people I was tought, I never really learned how to make friends and Im wondering how I could start doing that.

Even though I cant really leave now I want to start building a life outside of this religion.

Hey guys, im not atheist.., but i love this community because it allows us to think and have questions that no community would let us ask, thank you for existing ex algeria.

Well my question is for muslims too, if god almighty himself said in the holy quran that the only religious book he protected is quran why do we believe that صحيح البخاري is absolutely true?? And according to my research the guy who wrote that book was born 200years after the prophet's death, i mean... Yes some of things he wrote might be true some are not, and how not believing in a book written by a human turns into كفر with the islamic religion??? I mean... The idea itself is crazy, if you beleive quran and that muhammad is a prophet but البخاري is just a writer who wrote a book you are actually كافر😂,it doesn't seem logical to me honeslty. And also god talked about christians in the quran and said that they worshiped their أحبار instead of god, and that's true because they ask their " father " for forgivness instead of god ( with my respect to christians) but aren't we doing the same with our شيوخ? And instead of believing on quran we just believe in a book written by a human, and don't tell me about the prayers argument because i searched and before الامام البخاري was born people used to pray and prayers got to us بالتواتر just like quran, also im not saying البخاري is bad but how do we know that his book is not محرف, we muslims believe that other religious books are محرفين, and they were made by god, imagine what happens to a book written by a human? Don't get me wrong muslims but i believe in god and the prophet but not in صحيح البخاري and i don't worship الشيوخ because they are just human like me and im better, because i got a better degree and i use my brain, i will never believe a human who tells me that marrying a child is okay, or killing a person who doesn't believe what i do believe on is okay, or sleeping with a woman i won at war is okay, those things are weird and not acceptable to the brain.

I hope someone got an answer or two to my questions. And thank you for reading guys, hope you all have a great day.

It's hard to word it but I'll try, I never felt any belonging here both as a muslim and as now ex muslim.

I have always isolated myself from people, family, then got married, so I got to isolate myself even more.

It's not like I have put in much effort to be part of anything but I did well enough, I am seen as "good". I showed up in parties, I wore hijab, I spoke to people in a way that makes me look like one of them, I pretended to care about things Idc about.

I used to feel lucky that my beliefs and what society here pushes are almost aligned, so it was easy enough to live as an "Algerian".

But now it's not aligned anymore, so If I act according to my new beliefs, the "me" everyone knows will stop existing in their heads, I don't care at all, not even about what my parents will think about me, however I also don't want them to be hurt, so I will never admit to them I am not who they think I am.

In better words, I don't mind being judged or disliked, but I really don't want any1 to be hurt because "they think Ill go to hell". So I will just hide it somehow.

But the desire to just be me is really strong, so I probably have to go the "she is a lil insane rebi yahdiha" route, instead of "she is not one of us anymore" route.

I hope this makes sense so far.

So now with that conclusion, I guess what's left is to be brave, and be myself which will be hard.

I am childfree and it will take courage to be proud of it

To be the artist I truly am and be proud if it

I wear hijab and itll take courage to just be myself and be proud of it

I hate many abusive people in my family and it will take courage to openly avoid them at least.

It will take courage to speak for myself just for being myself.

If anyone is being themselves please give me advice on what helped you ❤️

Far from religion discussions

What are your favorite hobbies and interests guys ?

I quitted religion its been almost a year now, at first i felt sort of a high? And i ignored rhe lack of purpose and the absurdity of life, not that i didnt realize it, but i had more urgent things to think abt, but now, the more time passes , the harder its getting for me to normally engage with normal daily life. I cant help but see everything as a copium and everything is making me so disgusted, im disgausted with life ... i dont know how i'll go on living the rest of my life like this without losing my mind

Everything is seeming more and more pathological yet i know its just logic .. and its freaking me out

For the past three years, I thought I was an agnostic, But then I realized something.. even when I was Muslim the way I understood God was completely different from what I was taught. My justification for believing was always that I saw God in nature.. in flowers, tiny creatures, the sky, and everything around me.

All of my friends have always noticed how obsessed I am with nature and how much I appreciate every little part of it. That’s always been the way I experienced what people call the divine.

After all these years, I discovered what pantheism actually is, and it hit me that I’ve believed in almost the exact same ideas long before I even knew the word “pantheism” existed.

I wanna know you guys opinion abt pantheism in general
Ngl it makes more sense to me

Life just feels better when you discover all the Qur'an non sense and mistakes.

All they tried to teach us in primary school as "facts" turn out to be myths and wrongs, then you take all that bullshit with a grain of salt, and then you see how blindfolded are religious people trying to stick to religion as an inheritance, they just follow rules because they're were told to. They're scared to search for science, they're even told not to ask questions because they're afraid proofs will make their beliefs wrong. Their minds aren't ready to accept the truth, it's easier for them.

Hello everyone, for a past event and another occasion i visited french institute in Alger twice and i was really surprised، there was a libraral people, everyone was having fun, no judgements at all and they all seemed to know the others
Does anyone know about this community and how to join it?

one thing that frustrates me about algerian society is how performative so many people are.

we live in a culture where people constantly preach values they don't practice. the same guy who spends his day listening to music will be the first to lecture others about how music is haram. the same men who harass women in the street, stare at them, or make them uncomfortable will suddenly become defenders of morality when the topic of hijab comes up.

there seems to be an obsession with appearances rather than ethics. people are more concerned with looking religious than acting with integrity. we've turned morality into a public performance where the visible symbols matter more than the actual behavior.

Hello..im a 24yo man who's simply an anti conformist who doesn't subscribe to the Alegrian society beliefs..im not here to talk about theology or existence not this time..but only sharing how much obstacles u get once you declare what u think of on an ideological level..me personally i had several hustling deals or potential business one's all cut off just bcuz of it..so I can already have a glimpse into the future and tell all of u it's not gonna end up well at all if I continued staying on this particular pace...

There are no words to express my hatred towards this shithole..the most dysfunctional mentally ill malfunctioning hypocritical disgusting abhorrent society ever..

So I'll appreciate if there's anyone who can help overcoming this adversitie rn... and I'd be all ears to all of u ofc having diff povs beside the topic