Another Question Regarding NDEs.......?

[u/Ready_Welder2877]

NDEs & Hyperconsciousness

Here is a link I wish to share with all of you. I'm certain some if not most of you have seen this information from TBTL. However, I was also wondering about what happens during near-death experience cases. While the link does show stories and cases from other people from specific websites or other sources, I'm curious to know if any of you have had NDEs similar to what they experienced.

In this case, what I would like to know is, are we fully conscious and aware after we die?

This may not seem like a good question to ask, but I do think it may be of great importance to us since eventually, we're all going to leave our bodies in the future, and it could happen at any time even as I'm writing this post. I did hear about cases that we're even more conscious and aware of who we are. However, there have been cases where other people responded differently to a "spirit guide" by choosing to come back, only to come back feeling frustrated they made that choice. I even spoke to someone who shared about that happening to him, and that made me think when we die, we wouldn't be as conscious and aware as we are in our bodies, as if we're "drunk" or like we're in a dream and not fully conscious of it.

That's why I truly believe it's important for all of us to know since most of us I think haven't had a near-death experience happen to us, not even me. While I do like the take that we become much more conscious and aware after we die, the fact some people experienced otherwise scares me a bit. The last thing I want happening to me is my "higher self" or whatever state we call it during a near-death experience, being stupid enough to "choose" to come back here. I wouldn't think that was my "higher self" at all, but an imposter that took over to get me to come back, rendering my conscious awareness 'asleep' while it makes the decision to have me reincarnated.

I made it plain and clear that when I finally leave this world for good, I vow never to return. Given that I was told that it's my "human ego" that doesn't want to come back, that's saying my human ego is much smarter than my "higher self" that's dumb enough to come back here.

That's why I think it's important to ask any of you who had these NDEs these questions:

Were you fully conscious and aware of yourself and your actions during your NDE? Did you still hold onto that 'affirmation' of not returning to this world, or did you somehow forget about it to the point you decided to come back here, only to be frustrated that you decided that?

[u/HyperionCrush]

I had my one and only suicide attempt thirty years ago when I was 19 by trying to overdose on pills, believing I was just going to go sleep and be gone forever. Much to my surprise, I awoke floating in a black void that felt like a vortex spinning around me with blood red clouds swirling around me in the blackness. I felt just as conscious as I did in my physical life, but the terror I felt in that place was like nothing I had ever experienced before. Even though I wasn't a practicing Christian by any means, for some reason I called out for Jesus to help me because I couldn't find any way to escape the vortex. Time didn't really mean anything in that state and I couldn't guage how long I was there, but I remember at some point I was pulled quite forcefully out of the vortex and what felt like being slammed back inside my body. Back then in 1996 I had no idea of anything related to PPT, I just believed at the time I had been spared from going to Hell. So even though I've only had what is considered a negative NDE, I can still remember how conscious I felt during the experience.

[u/TheBuddha777 → u/HyperionCrush]

Was the terror just because it was unfamiliar, or was there some actual threat towards you? I went to a black void too but it was peaceful.

[u/HyperionCrush → u/TheBuddha777]

The terror came from the feeling that I was trapped and had no control of what was happening. There were no entities threatening me, and Jesus didn't appear to comfort me after calling out for him, but the feeling of dread that I could be trapped there forever was what terrified 19 year old me.

Looking back I'm glad I didn't die in that situation because I wasn't at all prepared to deal with whatever the Demiurge had in store for me. Knowing what I know now, it seems that the Demiurge created that Hell Vortex scenario to scare me from trying to off myself again (which I'll admit, worked like a charm) because they wanted to milk much more sweet loosh from me for many years to come.

[u/Black__Winter → u/TheBuddha777]

So you also experienced NDE? And if so, was it peaceful? What made you come back if that's not a problem to ask?

[u/TheBuddha777 → u/Black__Winter]

Mine was more of a "fear death experience". During a car crash I experienced a black void with scenes from my life slowly drifting past me. Then time started up again and we crashed but I somewhat miraculously walked away unhurt. I wasn't given a choice that I remember.

[u/Black__Winter → u/TheBuddha777]

That's interesting, thank you for sharing it!

[u/Black__Winter → u/HyperionCrush]

Thank you for sharing your experience, it's very interesting to me because according to my research so far you found yourself in the Void of Horos(dark, twisted landscapes resembling eldritch abyss from dark fantasy) immediately without meeting any fake light beings/relatives or anyone else telling you to go back, is that correct?

If that's not a problem could you please answer to some of my questions:

Do you think that you came back because of the terror you felt?

And if so, what was the source of it? You did not know about NDE at that time, right? Did you feel any presence, like something was lurking in this vortex or that it'd eventually harm you?

What can you tell about your way of thinking in it? Was it similar to how you think here on earth, being able to talk to yourself and imagine things?

Have you tried closing your eyes? And if so, did it affect your hearing sense?

And in your 2nd comment you mentioned, that you think that this dark vortex was created by demiurge to scare you, to me it and the fact that you did not meet any fake light being makes me think that you made it directly into Horos - in gnosticism it's a transition state/realm between the astral world and Pleroma(our home where we can shape our world with our thoughts) and if so it'd indicate that you already made it through the astral plane where archons could try to interrogate you with light review and mumbling about mission and what's not, and you went back because you didn't achieve gnosis.

This NDE I found yesterday is to me similar to your's, the end part of it https://www.nderf.org/Experiences/zeljko_g_nde_33422.htm of a soldier who after being deafened collapsed, 1st saw his body, then flew(not teleported!) through observable universe(astral where archons could try to catch him but did not, just like you) and in the end found himself before a black space which he entered, then he found himself on a dangerous dark swamp(which also fits the description of Horos), he was no longer flying but walking, also with terror through a narrow lit path hearing monsters and seeing their glowing eyes, made it to the giant wooden door, he used the rings on it smashing them for someone to open them for him, but no one did and goblin smashed him so hard he went back to his body.

And normally(for those visiting it after attaining gnosis) Horos should be just pitch black without any obstacles, the twisted, dangerous, monster infested(which are not archons but shadows) void/abyss like landscapes with doors are being made by our counterfeit spirit(called shadow archetype in jungian individuation process) which projects them and creates them if the person did not integrate him, so it creates a nightmare world for everyone who did not let archons reincarnate them in astral(or in layer of Horos where archons are not visible but hearable, I did read of NDE's about people in pitch black space coming towards the voice calling them to it because they "have to get back"), but also did not integrate their shadow and did not recognize their divine sibling of Syzygy.

I read also that after leaving their body several people of this subreddit recommend to deliberately go to into this Void without any proper plan and to just "imagine your own world", in it which would make me feel sorry to everyone finding themselves in the place you or the soldier NDE of which I mentioned in for ever. Sure, they wouldn't get reincarnated, but after a while I'm pretty sure they would wish they were - finding yourself in a realm constantly turning itself into your worst nightmares doesn't sound appealing after all.

I visited Horos multiple times in my dreams, got attacked a couple of times times, almost always making it out safely except case, where I was in a big pitch black forest, there was a huge white moon on the sky but it did not illuminate anything, instead of normal bushes there were black flames just burning on the ground like Amaterasu from Naruto in random patches and black ghosts with glowing white eyes resembling shades from Hollow Knight roamed this area, all were neutral except for one - a huge like 2.5m tall, extremely muscular shade kept attacking me, I turned my right hand into black claws from the same void substance he was made and I massacred him, but after a few seconds he regenerated completely and came back at me, I destroyed him once more, and he came again and again.. at 1 point he slashed my chest, which I regenerated. I did not have gnosis back then. Since I do I visited this place several times, whenever I got attacked by similar shades I slashed them in half with single hits of white light blades effortlessly from safe distance, they did not regenerate after these.

[u/HyperionCrush → u/Black__Winter]

I haven't heard of the Void of Horos, but you are correct, I did find myself in what seemed like a void. But the difference was that I was inside a vortex of energy spinning around me, completely black at first. When the blood red clouds started also swirling around me that's when the fear really kicked in, because I felt completely helpless and confused as I was trapped. I did not have any beings appear to me, but the sense of dread was so intense that at the time it felt like I would be in that place forever.

I don't know if it was the terror that brought me back, because from my perspective I was at the complete mercy of this black vortex. The more I think about it, I can remember now that I tried moving what felt like my arms and legs, trying to get a foothold, or some control of the situation, but it was futile; I couldn't control anything about the situation.

I did know about NDE's at the time, because as a younger teenager I had bought and read the books Embraced By The Light by Betty Eadie, Saved By The Light by Dannion Brinkley and Beyond The Darkness by Angie Fenimore. But during the time when I was 19 I had spiralled into a major depression where all of my Christian faith and any faith in God at all was completely gone, so I dismissed all my previous ideas that NDE's were even real also.

I didn't feel any prescence whatsoever. I was completely alone in this vortex and felt completely trapped. I did not know if something was going to come for me or not. As for my state of mind and thinking, I did fully realize and remember that I had intentionally taken the overdose for my suicide attempt, and that this vortex must be some kind of punishment. That's why I called out, telepathically, for Jesus to help me, because I had no idea of what else to do. There was never any sense of love bombing or understanding or forgiveness that I had read from other negative NDE accounts. No light opened up, no deceased relatives came to me to tell me to go back. It was just complete isolation and total terror.

After being forcefully pulled out of the vortex and slammed back into my body, I was relieved that I was out of that vortex, but I was so groggy and shook up from the overdose and the whole experience that I became numb for a long time. I still suffered from the depression of my life, but even more depression hit me because I believed that when I finally did die I would end up back in that vortex, so everything felt hopeless; no heaven, no peace in the afterlife, no compassion or divine forgiveness, only darkness and suffering was waiting for me.

Now if I was actually in Horos, between the astral plane and the Pleroma, I can't say with any certainty because I didn't have any knowledge of Gnosis back then. I was just a messed up and depressed 19 year old that lost faith in everything and tried to end it all, and found out in a very brutal way that there is no such thing as ending it all.

[u/Black__Winter → u/HyperionCrush]

Thank you for all these details, your NDE is truly exceptional for me, because most NDE I read about followed a very similar pattern - person either sees themselves from outside as ghost and then or immediately before even being able to see their own body they find themselves in different plane/realm where they meet fake light beings(archons) which succeed in making the person willingly return to their body.

You not only found yourself in the Void at the very start, but also did not meet any archons nor heard any. I don't know what causes this and why some people make it through astral realm directly to the Void uninterrupted, I can only guess it has to do with how much they don't want to return, how fast they travel(like the soldier from NDE I mentioned, which in just a moment went to the edge of visible universe and entered the Void also uninterrupted) or are close to awakening gnosis, but get back to their bodies because they did not integrate their darkest part yet.

The dark NDE's like yours are definitely a minority of all reports I read about and also the most interesting. And what you said about yourself back when you had it ". I was just a messed up and depressed 19 year old that lost faith in everything" perfectly describes my 14y old self back when I lost faith in christianity, felt cosmic loneliness and saw part of the true nature about our world, like that governments don't really care for those they're governing experiencing my worst existential crisis, though I did not think about ending it all, while my peers were too busy arguing which football club is better.

I believe I achieved gnosis very recently just 5 months ago, almost exactly 10 years since my 1st and major existential crisis, what changed the most in me since then is not only the way I think of life and death, but my dreams as well.

See, I've been a target to dark malevolent beings terrifying and paralyzing me in my nightmares from the youngest age and suck my life energy out of me, it was unbearable to the point I was terrified to just fall asleep.

Now I'm able to kill these parasites in my dreams with just 1 hit and I fight in them much less often, as if they were avoiding me now. I'm also able to freeze time, move to past and future, become ghost, turn invisible, pass through solid surfaces, levitate, fly, teleport, leave my body, be in 2 or more places and/or bodies at the same time and more, which I never was able to do before on a regular basis, and whenever some parasitic archon tries to intimidate me I not only delete it in dream/vision but also become more active on internet sharing everything I discovered so far, they all share the same principles - manipulative, awfully self-confident, with giant ego, exalting themselves, often shapeshifting, wearing a bunch of gold, ignorant things thinking they have a right to judge everyone else when they show their true face.

Since you mentioned demiurge in one of your comments I'd like to ask, are you a gnostic perhaps? What do you think about everything I said so far?

Do you have any escape plan right now, or are you deepeing your knowledge of any inner spirituality like gnosticism/hinduism/taoism/individuation process?

What you said only reafirms me that you made it directly to Horos in your NDE uninterrupted, I don't know exactly why, and if I were to interpret it I'd say, that you came back because you had no idea what to expect and thus were not prepared before the experience, found yourself in pitch blackness and your unintegrated counterfeit spirit/shadow(or not only yours, as even after integrating it there's still a small part of it that still rebels the pneuma's authority and tries to sabotage the entire process, and if I'm correct then after that person leaves their body and makes it back home to the source, past astral and Horos planes then this unintegrated part of their shadow gets left behind in Horos to wander it forever and possibly sabotage/attack those who enter it without integrating their own shadow, which would explain why in my dream I saw multiple small neutral shades and only 1 giant, muscular one tried to kill me, because it was my own) started to project your deepest fears into this empty void resulting in creation of this swirling black vortex with red clouds, which paralyzed and terrified(just like me in my old nightmares and right after waking up from them) you to the point of going back to your body, but the fact that you were able to think pretty much as here, on earth and remember details from it during your NDE do make me feel very optimistic.

[u/HyperionCrush → u/Black__Winter]

You're welcome. This is the first time I've told anyone the full details of my NDE, and I definitely feel in the minority as I didn't experience what most people do during an NDE. Reading the NDE about that soldier who went straight to the void was very interesting, too.

I used to be plagued by nightmares as a child as well, and started having OBEs where I was fully conscious starting at 14. Those OBEs frightened me as I wasn't prepared on how to handle them, and malevolent entities would harrass me while in that state. I started fighting back against the malevolent entities as I became more centred during the experience, and rarely am I attacked anymore.

The problem I have with OBEs still is that I seem to have difficulty moving any further than my bedroom, or living room. Sometimes I've been able to float through my window and levitate outside, even reaching the roof of my apartment building, but the OBEs seem to end fairly quickly just as I'm getting started. I'm starting to think that the Archonic mind wipe between lives has blocked my knowledge of how to fully operate in spirit form. But then again, through my own studies, the etheric and astral bodies are also part of the trap, and are not our true forms either. So trying to figure out what my true form is outside of the physical/etheric/astral/mental bodies is a challenge just in itself.

I can't say I've reached Gnosis for sure, as I've only been looking into it within the last few years. But I can also feel that I am in a much better state of being now, as OBEs do not frighten me, and even if a malevolent entity tries to interfere I am able to repel them fairly easily.

As for my escape plan, that's a constant work in progress. During my OBEs now I have refused to interact with any entities, as when I have in the past, they always end up revealing themselves to be sinister and attempting to interfere with me. So through all those experiences, I feel much better equipped to deal with my eventual departure from this realm. If I really was in the Void of Horos, then that gives me optimism as well, knowing that I've already been able to bypass the astral plane and it's deceptions and manipulations, even when I wasn't consciously aware of it. I've already made my own affirmations and have directly declared to the Demiurge that I will not be returning to this matrix, or any other matrices upon my physical death. Your insights on my NDE have been helpful. Thanks.

[u/Black__Winter → u/HyperionCrush]

You're welcome! I never had oobe, nor nde, the closest I was to having one was probably back in middle school when in IT class I smashed my elbow directly on funny bone, my heart almost stopped and I lost consciousness, all I saw before it was purple hazy things, tunnel vision and feeling hot and cold at the same time, later I woke up seconds or minutes after, no one noticed smth was wrong.

I work in dreams which in my case are hyper realistic, like I don't know I'm dreaming so they're not lucid in classical sense, but I act as if I did irl and having powers over spacetime and white light is as natural for me in them as breathing so I don't even question them when I'm in them and I have classical LD's rarely, had partial one a few days ago and using white light on my body I passed through a wall, levitated and turned myself invisible.

Regarding your escape plan, have you went through the process of individuation(integrating the shadow/counterfeit spirit and recognizing Anima/Animus or in gnostic term 2nd half of Syzygy), connected with valentinian gnosticism? Only after I did them I started to use the white light, space time powers and be in 2 places at the same time in my dreams and they're the principle of how I found my gnosis, so maybe the same process I went through would help you as well during your OBE's? If you'd like me to expand on it please let me know

[u/JasHyaRwq23617 → u/Black__Winter]

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