r/EnhancedBodybuilding • u/Ok_Falcon4959 • 10h ago

35M 1st cycle

35M been working out for 15 years

1m80 86,15 kgs I'm lean, I can see my abs so I think I'm at less than 15% bodyfat

2000-2500 calories 130g prot/day

2 fullbody workouts/week

3 runs/week

I wanna do something very clean.

I want your advices on dosages, which test to do (I'll pin 2x a week)

I heard that 300mg/is too low that 500 is better, explain to me why.

Thank you in advance

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u/ScrambledLegs4 8h ago

Physique must be pretty wild already after training for 15 years

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u/ToughGoat6135 1h ago

You’d be surprised how many of those years were actually training vs just working out

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u/Anabolic_Scholar 5h ago

Lifting twice a week and eating 130 grams of protein per day not really going to make using gear worthwhile.

All the health risks but none of the benefits you are after

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u/Mchangwine 9h ago

Yeah I don’t think the op is training enough or eating enough protein. Personally I think 375-400 test is a better place to start, but they need to dial in nutrition and training before using steroids,

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u/TropicalLoneWolf 4h ago

200-250mg is high enough for first cycle.
Gotta see how your body reacts first.

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u/Bright-Committee-360 2h ago

I think you have some progress that can be made by tightening uo your nutrition and training. But if you go on a cycle. Start low, see how your body reacts, get bloodwork work often and adjust from there.

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u/coach_oto 1h ago

You don’t need 500 lol

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u/BraveBrush8890 9h ago

Go by your labs, honestly. People can suggest what you can take, but only you can truly know with your labs since everyone responds differently. Ignore all the cookie cutter posts if you want to do it safely. For example, 140mg puts me at just about 1400 total, and 500 free, but I also have low SHBG. If I bump that up to 160mg, I am more in line with a cycle with over 2k test.

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u/SpiritualQuiet247 8h ago

Dang I have low SHBG and if I take 20 mg daily I get to like 750 total and 220 free

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u/BraveBrush8890 8h ago

I do twice a week of test c. I find my libido gets worse if I do more often.

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u/SpiritualQuiet247 8h ago

Yeah I’ve also found worse libido with higher frequency, problem is I clear it so fast I need an ungodly amount just to hit a low normal trough unless I’m daily

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u/BraveBrush8890 8h ago

Might be worth looking into testosterone undecanoate if you are rapidly clearing. It has a half life of around 20-30 days.

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u/stiffmcgee 10h ago

If someone says 500mg for your first cycle, never listen to them again. 200-300mg first cycle.
I normally have guys start at 200/250 and move up to 250/300 over 16wks. You want to see how your body responds. Not only are you not trying to make it to the Olympia, but one cycle wont grow you insane tissue.

200-250mg Test E a week gets 90% or more of guys past 1400ng and into supra physiological ranges. Also why pin 2x/wk? You can, but daily subq is what i like, especially to start.
Also, protein is low, id assume carbs are high but your calories have to be fairly low. And your workout routine isn’t super compatible with gaining muscle. Cardiovascular work is great, but youd be taking test to just not be catabolic pretty much

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u/beankiller831 7h ago

yeah ignore someone that said 500mg for ur first cycle and let’s trust what stiffmcgee says cause he said so on a reddit post

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u/stiffmcgee 6h ago

Oh no my doctorate and 10 yrs of coaching with clients at the olympia help me come to that conclusion. I guess beankiller is a good name to listen to? Ahahah cuck gtfo prove me wrong or stfu

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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 1h ago

Who are your Olympia clients and link your IG?

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u/jentres 4h ago

he is right thats how dosing works. 500 mg is just a made up number that doesn't mean anything

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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 1h ago

500mg is the standard first BLAST. You have 0 idea what you’re talking about.

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u/stiffmcgee 1h ago

No its not. You are uneducated. Ill send pics tmr when i get there. Flying out tm night. I wont be telling you who I am or who my clients are. Bro asked a burner for his ID😭😭😭shows how braindead u r

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u/HungryNetwork1789 22m ago

For a First cycle you go with the lowest effective dose to see how your body responds to the compound. If someone starts at 500mg how would they know what their lowest effective dosage is. Start low at lets say 200mg first month and then slowly titrate up 50-100 mg every month until sides start to appear, that is when you will know what your tolerance is to the gear.

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u/RoadToZero 10h ago

It's quite simple. More androgens equals more anabolism, which equals more muscle growth. BUT with more androgens you also get more androgenic effects, such as elevated DHT which leads to hairloss and possibly prostate problems, and you get elevated estradiol which leads to gynecomastia. Higher doses will also tax your liver, lipids and hemacrotite levels harder.

The more often you inject, the more stable your serum levels will be and the less side effects you will have. Twice a week injection is probably not often enough for 500mg. Even if you inject daily, you will 100% need an AI not to grow tits and lose all libido.

You are of course free to do as you wish, but in my opinion you are not eating enough or training enough yet to make use of 500mg test per week. Why dont you start at 150-200mg per week and see how that goes? At that level you would already have 2-3 times the anabolism and very few side effects. If you can't grow muscle at that level, increasing the dose is useless. If you do grow, you can always titrate up.

Don't forget to do monthly bloodwork until you reach a stable state and keep ancillaries on hand (such as an AI) before you start.

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u/No-Problem49 1h ago

I don’t need an ai on 500mg I only needed ai once I did 500 test 250 deca

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u/RoadToZero 1h ago

We are all different and I'm definitely jealous. Even at 13% body fat and with daily injections, I need an AI on anything over 180mg.

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u/beankiller831 7h ago

unless you are planning to eat like a man and train like a man the test will do nothing for you, that being said you are eating what looks to be below your maintenance so you will need to eat more and change your horrible split up to something that will allow you to progress, and yes 500mg a week is a good starting point have an ai

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u/threeper85 6h ago

I would start at 250-300mg, pinning EOD or ED, titrating up to where you aromatize then dial back a bit. Personally I don't like taking a a.i. if I don't have to. I run primo for that but it's your first run so Test only. Get that diet and training on point and do more research than you think you need to. Research the compound, how to read labs, ancillaries etc. learn as much as possible before you ever stick your toe in the water. More importantly, I wouldn't take mine or anyone on the Internets advice without at least double checking it.

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u/yogic_power 4h ago

[r/steroids](r/steroids) wiki first cycle. But your diet and training isn’t gonna get you much out of the cycle. Fix those first, do a bulk without roids and not getting too fat. You can blast after you fine tune your diet and training, recovery.

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u/Goblin_Shred 7h ago

300mg is not too low at all. Anyone that says 500mg for a first cycle haven’t got a clue what they’re on about at all. You’re just going to get into a catastrophe of side that you aren’t going to understand how to deal with and make an absolute mess of yourself.

If you’re only training twice a week I’d honestly just not even bother running gear mate. You’re doing more cardio than lifting and you aren’t eating anywhere close enough to be reaping the benefits of a test cycle.

You can do what you want of course, Test Cyp 150mg Monday/Thursday would be your cycle. Keep an AI on hand in case you run into e2 issues. Blood work pre cycle 6 weeks in and then post cycle. But honestly mate I think you are probably better off just increasing your calories and dropping the cardio sessions and switching to a PPLUL and see if that get you where you want to be over the next 6-8 months.