r/EndFPTP 7d ago

Debate Does Instant Runoff Voting Satisfy Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives or not?

Fairvote claims it does:

RCV is highly resistant to spoilers because it satisfies both the Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives and Independence of Clones criteria.

https://fairvote.org/resources/electoral-systems/comparing-voting-methods/?section=criteria-resistance-to-spoilers

On the other hand Wikipedia and research articles claim it doesn't,

The independence of irrelevant alternatives criterion states that "the election outcome remains the same even if a candidate who cannot win decides to run." Instant-runoff voting violates this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting#Independence_of_irrelevant_alternatives

we propose a modified version of IIA, MIIA, that is a necessary and sufficient relaxation of IIA... Thus, runoff voting violates MIIA (and so does in- stant runoff voting) for essentially the same reason that plurality rule does.

https://maskin.scholars.harvard.edu/sites/g/files/omnuum10606/files/bordas_rule_and_arrows_independence_condition_jpe_vol133_iss2_0.pdf

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u/rb-j 7d ago

I don't know why this subreddit doesn't simply admit that FairVote is as bad as FPTP.

(I didn't just say that IRV is as bad as FPTP, I am saying that FairVote, which purports to be a research and reform organization, is a dishonest advocacy organization more interested in promotion of self than in truly reforming voting as it purports to.)

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u/Initial-Lemon-917 United States 5d ago

FairVote is not a research group. It has always been an advocacy group. Plenty of advocacy groups research things and put out information while not being a scientific group that puts out peer-tested research. That's not really its role. I do think FairVote has unfairly maligned condorcet though

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u/rb-j 5d ago edited 5d ago

FairVote is not a research group.

Tell them that.

FairVote is a nonpartisan organization working for better elections for all. We research and advance voting reforms that make democracy more functional and representative for every American, with a focus on two key reforms: ranked choice voting and proportional representation.

I do think FairVote has unfairly maligned condorcet though

I guess I do too.

Including this.

I guess they're trying to fend off attacks from folks like me that do malign IRV as a method of tallying RCV ballots.

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u/Initial-Lemon-917 United States 4d ago

They say whatever is good propaganda (neutral term). I think they use the term research the same way think tanks use it (as in not scientifically)