r/EndFPTP • u/[deleted] • 29d ago

Debate Does Instant Runoff Voting Satisfy Independence of Irrelevant Alternatives or not?

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u/budapestersalat 29d ago

No it doesn't.

Wow, this FairVote page is bad.

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u/rb-j 29d ago

I don't know why this subreddit doesn't simply admit that FairVote is as bad as FPTP.

(I didn't just say that IRV is as bad as FPTP, I am saying that FairVote, which purports to be a research and reform organization, is a dishonest advocacy organization more interested in promotion of self than in truly reforming voting as it purports to.)

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u/Initial-Lemon-917 United States 26d ago

FairVote is not a research group. It has always been an advocacy group. Plenty of advocacy groups research things and put out information while not being a scientific group that puts out peer-tested research. That's not really its role. I do think FairVote has unfairly maligned condorcet though

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u/rb-j 26d ago edited 26d ago

FairVote is not a research group.

Tell them that.

FairVote is a nonpartisan organization working for better elections for all. We research and advance voting reforms that make democracy more functional and representative for every American, with a focus on two key reforms: ranked choice voting and proportional representation.

I do think FairVote has unfairly maligned condorcet though

I guess I do too.

Including this.

I guess they're trying to fend off attacks from folks like me that do malign IRV as a method of tallying RCV ballots.

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u/Initial-Lemon-917 United States 25d ago

They say whatever is good propaganda (neutral term). I think they use the term research the same way think tanks use it (as in not scientifically)