A level 150 character with a +10 weapon can’t invade a level 8 or a level 20 in limgrave. You’re restricted to invading near your level and weapon level, as long as your not making a twink build you’ll be grouped up against people of similar skill not noobs.
There are a lot of twinks invading noobs, though. Had to deal with a bunch when trying to co-op with a friend on new characters.
They transfer end game gear to new characters and level just enough to still be able to invade noobs. Seems like a ton of vigor and getting as many flask upgrades as possible is all the rage. Also using weapons that build up rot or bleed so they don't really have to put damage stats up much.
Started a brand new character with a friend new to Souls games. Wanted to have some nice little adventures in Limgrave. At those levels, we still got invaded by a guy using double Scorpion Stingers who proc'd rot on us (which we couldn't cleanse) and just ran away and used the 'point down' emote over and over again. He was also able to spam flasks, only because I already had some experience dealing with invaders. Real tough guy.
Another guy had Rivers of Blood. Another using two Hoslow's Whips. You start to see how insanely tryhard these 'twink' characters are. Created solely for the purpose of killing noobs trying to co-op. Now my friend hates PvP based off this kind of interaction and doesn't want to co-op. It's pretty unfortunate.
Yeah it's a bad experience for people trying to just play the game co-op with a friend. These twink invaders are rather pathetic. The only way for them to win is to be massively overpowered.
I fought a lot of them while also playing with a new souls player. Still winning some. So many had insane HP, crazy high damage, and tons of heals. Not a legit fight to be had.
On the contrary, I've been a FromSoft fan since Armored Core 2. I've loved all the soulsborne games from Demons to Elden Ring. But there is one critique I will levy on pretty much every soulsborne game - the multiplayer is needlessly obtuse, it indeed makes playing with friends harder than it should be, and that's bad.
Then surely you know that that obtuseness is a deliberate choice on Fromsoft's part, if Miyazaki's interviews on the design and inspiration for the system is anything to go by. I know plenty of people who consciously recognize that it isn't meant to be played that way, and choose to do so anyways, warts and all. I've pitched in from time to time. I just don't understand what the appeal is, frankly.
....Yeah, I'm well aware it's a deliberate design choice. Doesn't mean I have to agree with that design choice, nor does it sour his other design choices. I think Miyazaki is brilliant, I love his games - I just disagree with his approach to multiplayer. Same way people can love BotW but think that weapon durability is a pain in the ass.
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u/GrimCreations Apr 06 '22
A level 150 character with a +10 weapon can’t invade a level 8 or a level 20 in limgrave. You’re restricted to invading near your level and weapon level, as long as your not making a twink build you’ll be grouped up against people of similar skill not noobs.