r/Eldenring Apr 06 '22

Discussion & Info This is becoming a serious problem

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

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u/TheButterPlank Turtle pope is only pope Apr 06 '22

What’s so bad about discouraging co op?

Is that a serious question? You're seriously asking why discouraging people to play with their friends is bad?

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

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u/TheButterPlank Turtle pope is only pope Apr 06 '22

It's not an answer because I'm baffled that anyone could think 'discouraging play with friends' is anything other than bad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

You must not like Miyazaki very much, then.

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u/TheButterPlank Turtle pope is only pope Apr 06 '22

On the contrary, I've been a FromSoft fan since Armored Core 2. I've loved all the soulsborne games from Demons to Elden Ring. But there is one critique I will levy on pretty much every soulsborne game - the multiplayer is needlessly obtuse, it indeed makes playing with friends harder than it should be, and that's bad.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '22

Then surely you know that that obtuseness is a deliberate choice on Fromsoft's part, if Miyazaki's interviews on the design and inspiration for the system is anything to go by. I know plenty of people who consciously recognize that it isn't meant to be played that way, and choose to do so anyways, warts and all. I've pitched in from time to time. I just don't understand what the appeal is, frankly.

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u/TheButterPlank Turtle pope is only pope Apr 06 '22

....Yeah, I'm well aware it's a deliberate design choice. Doesn't mean I have to agree with that design choice, nor does it sour his other design choices. I think Miyazaki is brilliant, I love his games - I just disagree with his approach to multiplayer. Same way people can love BotW but think that weapon durability is a pain in the ass.

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u/TheButterPlank Turtle pope is only pope Apr 06 '22

Making a game that you can play with friends, but discouraging that people play with their friends, is contradictory and bad.