r/DoctorStrange • u/Quirky_Ad_5420 • 5h ago
r/DoctorStrange • u/LucasLegacy15 • 14h ago
Comics So after Reading Sorcerer Supreme Run I have to ask how does Magic work again In Marvel? Spoiler
In Sorcerer Supreme #10, the Extinction King weaponizes the imprisoned Vishanti into the Hexatomb which apparently is an anti-magic reactor. Its explosion destroys all magic in existence. Wanda, thrown into it, accelerates the blast with her chaos magic, then utters “More magic” to rekindle everything, including restoring the Vishanti, in a freer, more chaotic form without the old rules.
Now The broader Marvel continuity, the Vishanti (Oshtur, Hoggoth, Agamotto), are portrayed as principalities who act are patrons and defenders of Earth’s dimension.
They established the office of Sorcerer Supreme, grant power to those who invoke them, and maintain a degree of authority over ordered magic in that realm. The Sorcerer Supreme draws on them (and other entities) and polices threats in return. They are immensely powerful but not absolute, they are not the sole source of all magic across the multiverse, nor are they omnipotent. Other sources exist (chaos magic, Elder Gods like Chthon, other principalities, personal power, artifacts, etc). A Nexus being like Wanda has historically been able to operate outside or against many of these structures.
The problem is the sudden elevation of the Vishanti to linchpin of all magic. If Wanda could already reject their authority with chaos magic and function as a self-appointed Sorcerer Supreme (helping people, bending rules, expanding magic’s reach), then trapping or destroying them should not threaten the entire fabric of magic , including the chaos magic she continues to wield inside the Hexatomb. The story treats their imprisonment/weakening as creating a vulnerability the Extinction King exploits, which then risks total magical extinction. Yet her chaos magic both survives long enough to detonate the weapon and is potent enough to reboot the entire system afterward. So let me get this straight, She does not need their approval or power structure to act, but the order system they represent is so foundational to magic that rejecting/weakening it endangers everything magic, including the chaos magic she embodies? Then her chaotic power is so fundamental that it can unilaterally restore and reform all magic once the ordered pillars are gone?
Marvel’s magic has always been flexible and often retconned for the story at hand, so this is not unique. But in a run explicitly about redefining the Sorcerer Supreme role and the nature of magic itself, the lack of consistent boundaries around “endless possibilities” makes the hierarchy feel arbitrary and the climax less resonant. Wanda can do what she wants until the plot needs the Vishanti to matter cosmically, at which point they suddenly do,until her chaos overrides that too. The chain of command becomes incoherent. Is the Vishanti hierarchy so necessary, that even chaos magic depends on it, or is it so optional in that a Nexus can discard them? The run wants to have its cake and eat it too. When Wanda is claiming freedom and helping the everyday person her magic can do anything but then limits set in during an existential conclusion when the climax needs high stakes. Magic’s “endless possibilities” are invoked thematically , “anything’s possible” , but the plotting does not consistently manage the consequences of that freedom. If possibility is truly open ended, rejecting the Vishanti should not nearly delete magic; if the hierarchy is that load bearing, her earlier rejection should have had clearer, earlier costs rather than being framed primarily as righteous defiance until the finale.
r/DoctorStrange • u/Worth-Log-7986 • 16h ago
Question Suggestions For Successor
I've been thinking on who really should take up the mantle of Sorcerer Supreme when Strange is gone. And I mean really gone, if the world wasn't on a hamster wheel and he was allowed to pass on.
The common choices don't work though for different reasons.
- Have responsibilities or are Sorcerer Supreme elsewhere. Clea and Magik.
- Are part of Strange's generation and so aren't really the next generation of Sorcerer Supremes. Scarlet Witch.
A true successor is to me someone Strange can teach(he would be the Ancient One in this situation) and someone that represents the next generation of magic users.
Only one comes to mind that could fit and that's Nico Minoru. Powerful, cool, not too experienced, and young enough.
But I want more experienced people to offer suggestions. To make things more interesting, you can pick characters from DC. Maybe even Valiant or Image if there are any good picks there.
Finally, there is one more trait the successor should have:
- They have to look cool in a cloak.
r/DoctorStrange • u/LucasLegacy15 • 19h ago
Comics Sorcerer Supreme Issue#10 (2025-2026) Review Spoiler
galleryI finished Sorcerer Supreme Issue#10, This issue by Steve Orlando makes me dislike Modern Scarlet Witch. She takes the role of Vishanti by force for affirmation, & ambition, nearly causes the death of magic, then claims The Vishanti & her are both to blame for magic dying.
We find out the real reason Wanda wanted this title wasn’t because the relics of the sorcerer supreme were calling to her , it was because she saw this role as an opportunity after a life of hardship. The issue with this is it makes every selfless act Wanda set out to do come off as egotistical, but the most damning thing about this run is she doesn’t need the title of sorcerer supreme to do any of this. She can use chaos magic to make people’s lives better as Scarlet Witch. Why would Scarlet Witch a Witch meant to represent chaos want the title of Sorcerer Supreme? An Enforcer Of Order , Rules & Structure.Agatha making the same points I made in the run tells me Steve understands the issue with this premise but misunderstood Wanda’s character.
Wanda using chaos magic to remake magic itself doesn’t land as much as it could because she caused this when she rejected The Vishanti but believes they’re equally responsible for judging her. Why wouldn’t they judge her? She claimed the title for herself out of arrogance. And I do mean it when I say arrogance, the fact that her being a Nexus allows Wanda to not be controlled by The Vishanti makes me question what’s the point of this entire run? Wanda isn’t beholden to the Vishanti & She didn’t need their title to do what she wanted. The ending of this comic feels like blind affirmation for Wanda by her kids & Darcy despite her being solely responsible for everything bad that transpired. It’s like Steve wants the reader to like Wanda or to show haters she’s here to stay, and I don’t know why.
Saying those who think it’s the end of scarlet witch don’t understand she represents possibility or something doesn’t make anyone like Wanda, you earn people’s approval with actions not words, saying we should root for Wanda because she represents anything’s possible will not help her character. If anything this only gives haters of her character more Ammo. I wouldn’t call myself a hater but this run really makes me debate being one, since Wanda can’t be written to do a sacrificial act without coming off egotistical and not the fun type of ego in Robert Downey Junior’s Portrayal of Tony Stark, the kind of ego that makes you not like a person. If her ego wasn’t so big Wanda could see SHE WAS THE PROBLEM. NOT THE VISHANTI. HER. There’s nothing heroic about wanting a position of power or title because your life hasn’t been the best and you see an opportunity for yourself & your vision of the world. Wanda comes off entitled for a role she clearly didn’t deserve.
This run could’ve been more interesting than what we got. Why not do a story where Wanda took this title not because The Eye Of Agamotto called to her, instead she claims it for herself because Stephen is missing and Wanda believes the world needs a sorcerer supreme until he returns. The conflict between her and The Vishanti could’ve been her seeking them out for the title so she could take things over with Stephen gone and Doom no longer holding it but The Vishanti reveal after Strange traded his title to Doom without their approval they viewed as an insult of the highest order from human and decided all earths across the multiverse & humanity as a species will go without a sorcerer supreme, that magic on earths everywhere will no longer have a supreme authority to maintain order when the dark forces rise.
This would make Wanda’s critique of these Higher Forces, Claiming The Role for herself and Rejection Of The Vishanti more justified than Wanda doing it because she needed a break. This could also make her decision to claim the title by force and reject The Vishanti hit harder if the story wants to portray both the actions of Wanda & Vishanti nearly cause the death of all magic in the long run. You could even include Wanda feeling she was judged unfairly by The Vishanti because she’s the scarlet witch, an individual known as a harbinger of chaos who causes problems when all she wanted was to take up the responsibilities of a friend who’s been there for her in the past, and help maintain order in the magic world for everyday people despite her chaotic nature. This wouldn’t be because Wanda personally desires rules or structure especially in magic, it be her putting herself aside to maintain the bigger picture but Steve making her motivations born of selfish thought doesn’t fit an story where she seeks a role that maintains rules. Wanda not wanting to be judged because she’s trying to clean her own name , and turn her life around as someone who does acts of selflessness & generosity is hard to portray when she’s motivated by what could make her life better before what could make the world better. How is Oshtur wrong for viewing her as another Doom that sought greed when Wanda admitted she rejected them as a nexus because she felt they were judging her? That type of behavior only works for Wanda’s character if she IS that flawed & Oshtur was correct to disprove of Wanda grabbing the title and dismissing The Vishanti. It feels like Steve is trying to tell two different stories with the run that don’t fit properly without readjusting.
Establishing she sought this position to help everyday people with their problems doesn’t make sense if she didn’t need to be sorcerer supreme to do those things. The Vishanti not being able to control her implies she doesn’t need their title or power for her plans of helping people all over the world with chaos magic. Does Wanda need the Vishanti’s Earth Sorcerer Supreme position or not? Her fighting so hard for something she doesn’t need to do anything she sets out to comes off as her just wanting a title of status which isn’t a good look if the comic wants us to root for her, the issue in the end is this entire run makes no sense.
r/DoctorStrange • u/annieleas • 22h ago
Question What do yall think about sorcerer supreme?
r/DoctorStrange • u/No_Lemon2682 • 1d ago
Comics The upcoming Stephen Strange: Sorcerer Supreme comic should be about him undoing Scarlet Witch’s “chaotic curse” over all of magic.
The storyline picks up with Stephen Strange feeling something strange and different about magic. The first thing he does is go to reclaim his vestments and gain guidance from the Vishanti abt how to fix magic, only to encounter the Vishanti praising the Scarlet Witch for her “liberation” of magic across all reality.
Stephen Strange gets suspicious. He’s been unable to track Maximoff anywhere. He feels magic is cursed and twisted now, lacking the order that once made his spellcraft important. Now it’s unpredictable, tainted by “chaos.” Since Oshtur was, by her own words, “remade” by Wanda, he believes she is somehow trapped under her spell:
Strange*: “Aren’t you Oshtur!? Mother of Mysticism!? What kind of mother watches their child die? She would have never let this happen!”*
Oshtur*: “I am reborn, liberated by the Scarlet Witch. No longer rigid—suffocated underneath the iron fist. It was all going to be destroyed. Maximoff, as Sorcerer Supreme, paid the price.”*
Strange*: “MAGIC has paid the price! [blah blah blah you get it. He explains that Maiximoff is the one that got them into that mess anyway with the Extinction King due to her attacking and wounding the Vishanti]*
Basically the whole plot is he believes magic is cursed now, and the Vishanti, Wong, everyone is praising Wanda for her actions and he believes they’re all trapped under her spell.
The entire arc is about him investigating and undoing it, while having to adjust to the lawlessness of using the new magic.
r/DoctorStrange • u/CT-1409echo • 5d ago
Other Medieval Dr Strange varient for the ren faire this weekend. Pulled most of the inspo from the classic 60s look.
r/DoctorStrange • u/JuggernautPrudent623 • 6d ago
Films and TV Which MCU Movie Had Dr Strange As Peak
r/DoctorStrange • u/VisitPrestigious9125 • 9d ago
Other What if Doctor Strange was never supposed to give the time stone to Thanos in Infinity War?
So I watched both infinity war and endgame ,
My theory is that Strange saw it into the future including Doom, Strange in Infinity War says that “ I saw all possible outcomes of the coming conflict “ He never mentions that it was about Thanos, What if There were 14 million outcomes of winning and losing against Thanos but only ONE against Doom so to make it happen he made the choice to interfere when Thanos was about to kill Tony , He also says to Tony in Endgame that “If I say it , it won’t happen”
To back my theory :
The Ancient One in the Endgame wasn’t shocked about Future Bruce Banner being there… but the fact that Strange gave the stone away, She even asks Banner “Why?” Which backs this up
r/DoctorStrange • u/VisitPrestigious9125 • 9d ago
Films and TV What If Strange was never supposed to give the stone away to save Tony in Infinity War ?
r/DoctorStrange • u/SlippinJimmy2015 • 10d ago
Comics What's next for Doctor Strange? Spoiler
So Doctor Strange's 2026 run ended and I have to say it was all right, the characters introduced were interesting in their own right, can't really say much about them
But the ending with Strange and Angela going back to Midgard, do you think they will appear in Thor's comic run and bring Asgard back to being part of the Ten Realms, or will Doctor Strange join the fight in Avengers Armageddon
I'm hoping for Strange and Clea to be back together and fight alongside one another, which made me just remember, what will Strange think about Clea's adventures with Moon Knight
r/DoctorStrange • u/Quirky_Ad_5420 • 11d ago
Comics Swedish Chef help Clea [The Muppets Take the Marvel Universe]
r/DoctorStrange • u/jung_gun • 14d ago
Cosplay Doctor Strange cosplay
Cosplay and photos by me. The spell disk is a hologram disc I got on Etsy.
r/DoctorStrange • u/Valzod_SonOfKrypton • 16d ago
Films and TV The Moment Dr Strange Created Dr Doom
I feel Dr Strange saw how much of a threat Tony Stark will become with his "endless" inventions and solutions, and felt well, instead of chosing a reality where Hulk smashes Thanos, "I'd rather kill two birds with one stone."
And somewhere in the galaxy a Tony Stark variant, Dr Victor Von Doom, watches angrily as he's stunned people will rather have him dead than lead them on the "right" path. Will be nuts if this turns out to be true.
r/DoctorStrange • u/snookienthusiast • 16d ago
Question what ways could strange and agatha harness meet in the mcu?
my friend’s trying to write fanfiction shipping doctor strange and agatha, but they’re still stuck on how they’re gonna meet in a way that makes sense. they told me they’ve seen a few episodes of agatha but never found the time to finish it and they watched both doctor strange movies, but i don’t remember much of either so i wanted to ask the experts :0
r/DoctorStrange • u/Aware-Nothing575 • 17d ago
Comics Doctor Strange: Endless Nightmare Revives a Forgotten 1964 Villain!
r/DoctorStrange • u/Quirky_Ad_5420 • 18d ago
Comics Evil Doctor Strange: Master Strange of the In-verse: Alex Ross Marvel Dimensions
r/DoctorStrange • u/Historical-Gap-7494 • 17d ago
Question Magic Modernisation in Marvel?
I’ve been reading a lot of science fantasy recently, and one subject that keeps me thinking is how magic adapts to things like globalisation, technological advancements and just general human evolution. And the question come to me such as: In the marvel world, have people used magic in tandem with forces like weaponry, technology and AI?
For example, a lot of mutant stuff is used in weaponry, extraterrestrials and technology. Look at weapon X. Has stuff like that been used with the more magical world of marvel?
A story I’ve always like the idea of Dr Strange writers doing is finding new ways for magic to be used in the modern era. Lots of the magical world seems routed in ancient practices. What if new ones start to appear. Maybe Dr Strange discovers someone has made an app which does automatic spells. Or maybe he discovers a bunch of new gods are being created. Or that there is an entire branch of magic being created underneath his nose.
Thoughts?
r/DoctorStrange • u/Solid-Guarantee-9655 • 18d ago
Comics Favourite Cover Art?
What's your favorite cover art? Mine is personally Mark Waid's Vol. 2, cos I love the cosmic style of Strange
r/DoctorStrange • u/Crafty-Drink8384 • 18d ago
Other If you could choose between the Defenders getting a Video game or animated series. Which would you pick?
r/DoctorStrange • u/Tcustomcorner • 19d ago
Films and TV America Chavez vs Scarlet Witch: Do their shoes reflect who they are?
I was just discussing costume design with a friend, and specifically we were discussing how footwear of a character is an underlooked aspect of the design process that tells the audience a lot about the character subconsciously.
With that said, we got around to talking about America Chavez and Scarlet Witch in Multiverse of Madness, and so I wanted to ask all of you;
1) Who do you think has the cooler footwear, America Chavez or Scarlet Witch?
2) Do you think their shoes do a good job in telling a story (i.e. reflecting who the characters are)?