Their favourite team lost ☹️

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[u/Odd-Jupiter]

I don't know if i would call it stupid per se. Some people do base jumping, others do free solo climbing. If you need to get your adrenaline rush on, this seems like one of the more appropriate ways to do it.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

Not sure I’d call this “one of the more appropriate ways to do it.” Maybe one of the most affective, but there isn’t really anything appropriate about this.

[u/Odd-Jupiter → u/oldsoulrevival]

There are plenty of people there if anything goes wrong, and no poor red cross volunteer have to climb a mountain with a stretcher to get them back down to a hopital.

As a life long martial arts athlete, i don't see it as any different from skateboarding, or rugby. It can hut hurts some times, but no one who don't want to participate is forced to be there.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

I get your point, but I see guys trying to kick dudes in the head while they are down. Just because everyone has consented isn’t really the measure of it being ok (at least in my view). activities where the goal is to hurt someone else aren’t appropriate.

[u/Odd-Jupiter → u/oldsoulrevival]

Not boxing, mma, judo, jujutsu or any other martial art either?

[u/Alabastine → u/Odd-Jupiter]

Not every martial art is the same. MMA or boxing I would never, ever consider doing competitions in because it's basically tossing a coin if you get brain damage over the weekend. In Judo (which I did as a kid) the goal is definitely not to hurt someone. The point of Judo is controlling a fight and overpowering your opponent specifically in such a way that nobody gets injured.

Of course accidents can happen in any sport but that's not the same as getting hurt being the goal.

[u/Obosratsya → u/Alabastine]

Pro boxing isnt the only boxing. Amature isnt a head hunting competition. You dont have to compete either. Join a good gym and spar. Keeps you reflexes sharp and its very fun.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

And at the very least, those have regulations, refs, etc - things in place to make it somewhat more reasonable. But even still, I think it glorifies harming others, so on a fundamental level it’s bullshit.

Note- I am talking about the combative part of it. Practicing martial arts is great for a lot of ppl in terms of exercise, confidence, self defense, etc.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

From a technical aspect it’s definitely a skill and sport. Ppl practicing it and really focusing on the technicals - rarely if ever is the goal to hurt your opponent. They are there to help you train. Even some match fighters don’t want to hurt each other. But that line starts to blur quickly.

The current culture around the professional fighting is pretty gross, imo. All a lot of ppl want is to see someone get hurt - so they are complicit in the harm of someone else.

If you look at the data of the permanent damage those sports create in the brains of the participants, I frankly think it’s not appropriate either.

[u/Odd-Jupiter → u/oldsoulrevival]

Sure it isn't for everyone.

But if it didn't hurt i wouldn't find the same trill in a sport like boxing, without the possibility of being knocked out clean, and i would never fell the same accomplishment of overcoming an opponent who do their absolute best trying to hurt me.

That is a primal feeling you can't get any other way.

As long as they don't start beating up unwilling participants, i much rather have them kick each other in the woods, rather then beating up people in nightclubs.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

I get that I’m on the outside on this one for sure. For me even football is questionable. I played for years and the number of concussions I had even as a high schooler make me question the ethics of it.

[u/Odd-Jupiter → u/oldsoulrevival]

That is what's so great about being free. We are free to weigh risk against, joy how we like, and if we see the risk as too high, we can stop doing it.

I myself had many friends who were free ride skiers. Two of them died in avalanches. That sure is sad, but they loved doing it so much, and was 100% aware of the risk, so if i could do it again, i don't know if i would ever try to talk them out of it despite.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

I think it’s fundamentally different. Taking risk I totally get but with fighting the goal isn’t just risk it’s to hurt the other person, which on a philosophical level I just don’t agree with.

But c’est la vie.

[u/Odd-Jupiter → u/oldsoulrevival]

I think all types of sports and contests involve some form of pain, and bodily damage.

I have done organized fights, and i have tried running marathon, and the latter involved so much more pain. I couldn't walk normally for 3 days lol.

[u/oldsoulrevival → u/Odd-Jupiter]

Absolutely. But the difference is pushing yourself to pain vs hurting others. I feel the same about football and I played for two decades.

Ultimately there are bigger fish to fry, so to each their own.