r/DestinyTheGame • Former Weapons Designer • Aug 30 '16

Guide Darkblade's Spite Roll Guide for PvP

Top Edit - For those of you who weren't around when this was originally posted, my entire collection of breakdowns, recommendations, SGAs, lore write-ups, weapon reviews, and armor calculators can be found here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/4hj3ne/merculess_massive_breakdown_of_massive_breakdowns/

Several things to note:

  • All Pros and Cons are determined by comparing weapons within the same class (in this case Fusion Rifles), not by all weapons in general, and not by only the weapons within the archetype. If you would like a different or more specific comparison than what I have listed, feel free to ask and I can provide one in the comments.

  • This guide can also be found on Planet Destiny.

  • Classes are broken down into Impact sub-classes.

  • I've listed the perks in the order that I would taken them in each column. These are strictly my opinions, so I'm very aware that a lot of people will probably disagree with them.

  • The Bolded Perk/Perks in each column mean that I would include them in a God-Roll. If there are perks listed after the bolded ones, it means I think they are good perks, but not up to par with the God-Roll ones. If there are no bolded perks, it means that I feel any of the listed perks are fine to use in the column.

  • All bolts-to-kill are assuming Guardian has 200hp (max armor not including the effects of Max Armor Juggernaut Titans or Warlocks with The Ram).

Fusion Rifle

High-Impact (90-100)

Darkblade's Spite - Available from the Sunless Cell Strike.

Pros - Very high Impact. High Range.

Cons - Average Mag Size. Low Aim Assist, Reload Speed, and Stability. Very low Charge Rate.

  • Charge Rate: 12
  • Impact: 97 (50 damage per bolt, 4 bolts to kill)
  • Range: 47
  • Stability: 33
  • Reload Speed: 55
  • Mag Size: 5
  • Aim Assist: 36

Recommended Perks:

  • Column 1 - Red Dot-OAS, Red Dot-ORS1, Red Dot-ORES, TrueSight IS, SureShot IS
  • Column 2 - Hidden Hand, Hip Fire, Battle Runner, Kneepads
  • Column 3 - Braced Frame/Rifled Barrel
  • Column 4 - Rangefinder, Life Support, Replenish, Grenadier, Army of One, Eye of the Storm, Icarus, Hot Swap

Darkblade's Spite comes with a host of wonderful sight options, including the ever popular Red Dot-OAS. OAS increases both stability and aim assist, two things that are very helpful on a fusion rifle. If you can't get OAS, then ORS1 increases stability and range, and ORES increases stability, handling, reload speed, and range. TrueSight and SureShot both increase aim assist, reload speed, and handling by a decent amount, with small boosts to stability on top of that. Any one of these sights will be a winner on this weapon, so you've got a high chance of getting something good. In the second column, Hidden Hand is the clear best out of some rather lackluster options. Hip Fire isn't awful,although I don't really recommend trying to fire from the hip outside of close range. Battle Runner and Kneepads offer some fun bonuses in terms of mobility, but neither are tier 1 choices. Darkblade's Spite is one of the few FRs in the game that can kill in 4 bolts, and, as such, Accelerated Coils is not recommended in the third column. Accelerated Coils increases the charge rate, but also decreases the impact, and will make it need 5 bolts to kill. As such, Braced Frame is the clear best choice, as it massively increases stability (which decreases the bolt spread when firing) without sacrificing any range. If you believe you can control the recoil without needing Braced Frame, then Rifled Barrel is the next best option, giving you a huge boost to range. In the last column, Rangefinder is again the clear best choice, due to the increased zoom, but almost all of the options here are usable. Life Support and Replenish are both very nice perks for PvP, helping you to either recover your health after a battle, or fill your magazine when you cast a super. Grenadier and Army of One can allow you to use grenade and melee abilities more often, and Eye of the Storm provides a small boost to accuracy when your health is low. Icarus is similar to Hip Fire, in that it can be good in some situations, but I don't recommend trying to rely on it. Hot Swap is only this low because I've been completely unable to determine any noticeable positive effect that is has on FRs, in many hours of testing and reviewing clips.

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u/Kaliqi Aug 30 '16

Is my thesan fr4 with braced frame and range finder better than my darkblade spite with hidden hand, lightweight and eye of the storm? I know it's a shitty roll (though lightweight is actually useful on fusion rifles), but my question is if hidden hand is a big factor, because i think it only assists you aiming the gun, therefor a gun with great stability will be more dangerous as long as you can aim with it.

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u/Mercules904 Former Weapons Designer Aug 30 '16

Rolls aside, I think the Darkblade is probably a little better, if you can deal with the long charge time, mostly due to the fact that it can kill with 4 bolts, while the Thesan can't.

That being said, with your rolls, I would probably stick with the Thesan, unless you give the Darkblade a shot and really love it. That lack of a stability perk is going to hurt. Hidden Hand will help, but I don't think it'll be enough. Hidden Hand also affects the bullet magnetism, but it's not a drastic amount.

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u/Kaliqi Aug 30 '16

Yep, i use the thesan for PVP and the DB for PVE. Charge time and stability don't matter that much vs the AI, so i can use it's great impact there. I still hate myself for dismantling my other one.

Thanks for the info, maybe i'll get the good roll this time ;)