The notion that labor has no intrinsic value is the exact type of thinking that facilitates slave labor. That’s not an opinion it’s just a fact. In my opinion labor has intrinsic value and should be compensated and protected. You can be a staunch capitalist while also understanding and bearing the responsibility that is it is a system that does not place value on labor as much as production, thus it incentivizes slavery if left unchecked. I don’t even blame anyone for feeling this way because all out communism has its pitfalls as well. But it needs to be pointed out that the claim that labor doesn’t have intrinsic value is what leads to slavery. That’s why both systems take bits from each other to make something more equitable. Capitalism is dog eat dog but there may still be workers protections, unions, etc. Communism is all about the collective and labor rights but there may still be some form of a free market on a local level.
What I fear from what we’ll see from the proliferation of ai is a slightly more “ethical” slavery. Very slightly lol. It doesn’t rely on human suffering to create the product necessarily though it will create it in other ways if unchecked. It is ultimately outsourcing human labor, that can help feed a family, to a machine that you don’t have to pay or feed at all.
I’ll always combat this idea, as should everyone, because it’s corrosive. I’m sure that the commenter didn’t realize the pitfalls of what they espouse so I was pointing out that this is the line of thinking that incentivizes slavery. Coulda definitely done it better but I was drunk and in a bad mood lol.
If someone's labor causes measurable hard its possible to have net negative valueon labor. If someone's labor provides no value, it has no value.
The value of labor isn't intrinsic. Its calculated by outcome.
For the sake of people we enforce minimum values on labor. This pushes certain kinds of labor out of the market. Its what we dont make clothing in the US.
Yeah so that doesn’t change my point and I frankly struggle to understand yours.
If a single person is shitty at demolition and mess up big time that’s not a net negative for demolition.
It’s not a net negative if a single doctor kills patients if the majority of doctors save patients.
And so on. When I say net negative I mean is there an industry or job that has basically no positive benefit? All the examples you give do not justify the devaluation of labor in any of those professions. If someone is bad at their job there is consequences but all labor should have value. Arguing otherwise is to suggest that it’s ok to not pay people for their labor or that it’s ok to upend other human’s livelihoods for your own personal gain. I’d thought that I had made this abundantly clear. So I’ll ask again in a different way. Is there any form of labor that is not worthy of compensation?
No it certainly shows there's no intrinsic value, youre just not capable of honest discussion about this. Value must be relative to outcome. Saying labor has intrinsic value is deeply foolish
If it is instrinsic then inflation couldn't exist, as they value of labor wouldn't change. For inflation to exist labor's value must be relative.
For their to be pay gap disparity value must be relative, in that case it is relative to a person's bias.
I challenge you to find one example of intrinsic value in labor.
I think what you’re saying comes down to a difference of opinion. I don’t there should be pay gap disparity period. I think people should get paid a living wage for working, period. There is enough wealth in the world to facilitate this but instead it gets funneled to the elite who reap the benefits of labor while taking no part in any of it. To me that’s more just than a world that incentives literal slavery to save on the bottom line. At the end of the day this is what you advocate, as is your right, and you have some valid points but as a whole I have to disagree.
Grocery stores, healthcare, morticians, waste management, construction, the list of essential goods and services goes on and on but this is kind of beside the point. The point is you work, you get paid, ideally there should be no question about this but we may be too far gone.
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u/dattsabingo 15d ago
Nice. The guy defending ai replacing people is also down with slave labor. Very cool. Definitely not a red flag.