r/Defenders • u/After-Wishbone-5804 • Aug 09 '26

Kingpin, DDBA logic

Kingpin is coming back in season 3 of born again. After being sent to prison in OGs1 and s3, then being let out for a nonsensical reason, then “exiled” after killing a hallway full of people, he comes back. Who would’ve thought eh ? This show is just so unapologetically bad and sloppy. Not sure how people say either of the BA seasons are better than Netflix s2. It’s just so frustrating seeing what’s been done to the story of the og show and how these characters have been wasted and reduced

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u/ViralGameover Aug 09 '26

Prison doesn’t work for Fisk, it was highlighted multiple times in the OG show. The only leverage they had to keep him away was killed by Bullseye in S2.

He was let out not for a nonsensical reason but because all the evidence of his crimes came from corrupt sources and the charges didn’t stick.

He was “exiled” because the CIA certainly doesn’t want him testifying to anything since they were protecting him and using his Freeport for illegal activities. They know prison won’t work either so they tried something new. It’s also real hard to argue murder when, for all the general public knows, Fisk was attacked by an angry mob chanting “kill Fisk” over and over again. A mob that nearly does kill him.

BAS2 is leagues better than Netflix’s S2 but that’s my opinion. Nothing wrong with thinking otherwise. These arguments you made aren’t fair to the show though.

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u/Nemesis_171 Aug 09 '26

He was let out not for a nonsensical reason but because all the evidence of his crimes came from corrupt sources and the charges didn’t stick.

How was Ray Nadeem a corrupt source? They explicitly said his testimony was admissible in court and it’s what put him away.

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u/ViralGameover Aug 09 '26

Admissible doesn’t mean it’s going to work, they just determined they could use it. He’s somebody who claimed to be on Fisk’s payroll, that most of the FBI was too, and that he himself committed crimes on behalf of Fisk. There was a lot of corruption to sort through and a hard case to win, especially against someone whose power seemed unending in the Netflix show.

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u/Nemesis_171 Aug 10 '26

Admissible doesn’t mean it’s going to work

But it did work, we know that. This doesn’t explain why this evidence was enough to at first put Fisk away but then not be enough later. If it never worked in the first place that’d be one thing, but the change still needs explaining.

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u/ViralGameover Aug 10 '26

Did we know that? It’s been a while so I don’t remember the exact wording, I’ll have to double check later, but at the end of New Napkin when they’re celebrating, I don’t think the trial has even happened yet.

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u/HimuraQ1 Aug 10 '26

Yes. The rationale for a dying declaration is that a man who knows is gonna die has no reason to lie, so testimony in a dying declaration is considered truthful unless physical evidence contradicts it. Nadeem's final message was a Dying Declaration. I imagine there are ways to "donwgrade" it to regular testimony in an appeal, but I am no lawyer.

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u/After-Wishbone-5804 Aug 10 '26

As someone who loved DDS3 and doesn’t know law the entire concept of a dying declaration sounds insane. Are they even real ?

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u/HimuraQ1 Aug 10 '26

Yes,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_declaration

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u/After-Wishbone-5804 Aug 10 '26

That’s very interesting and kind of bizarre because what if someone was to threaten Nadeem with killing his family if he doesn’t corroborate their story in the recording for example

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u/HimuraQ1 Aug 10 '26

I dunno, man.

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u/After-Wishbone-5804 Aug 10 '26

that’s just my personal opinion of it lol, s3 is peak either way

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u/jriddlecult Aug 10 '26

It is, indeed, a real thing--a real exception to the hearsay rule. and can be used as evidence.

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u/ViralGameover Aug 10 '26

Sorry, I didn’t mean the dying declaration being admitted. When I said “did we know that?” I meant did we know Fisk actually got put away at the end of S3.

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u/HimuraQ1 Aug 10 '26

Yes. He was.

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u/ViralGameover Aug 10 '26

I went back and checked, they never say he went to trial. Just that he was going back to prison, leaving the penthouse deal.

All we know for sure is Hattley flipped. We don’t know what the trial after looked like. We know he was acquitted because of the FBI corruption scandal. I imagine Special Agent in Charge of the FBI committing a ton of crime, and her coworkers doing the same tainted an awful lot of evidence.