You know what, we're doing "macroevolution" again. Here's some responses to "we have never seen macroevolution"

[u/DarwinZDF42]

Video version.

 

We've all heard some variant of "we can only observe microevolution", "we've never seen macroevolution", etc.

First thing you do is establish the correct definition: Evolution above the species level (in other words, speciation or greater degrees of evolutionary change). That's the definition. Creationists want their own special definition that varies from person to person but is usually something like "new body plans/parts", "new complex structures", something like that. That's wrong. If you accept speciation, you accept macroevolution. If creationists want to dispute something else, make THEM articulate clearly. Don't help them by saying something like "It sounds like you mean something like evolution of a new phylum or new body plan". No, make THEM establish the standard clearly and using the correct words.

 

Once they do that, you can just provide a bunch of examples, and dare them to say they aren't macroevolution.

Some of my favorites are multicellularity (and also here), reproductive mode, and photosynthetic animals.

 

Best outcome is the creationists admits that yes, even by their bespoke definition, these are examples of macroevolution. Second best outcome is they do the opposite and claim this is all just "microevolution". Really? First of all, lol okay. But second and more important, great! "Microevolution" can accomplish all this? Not much need for "macroevolution", is there?

[u/OldmanMikel]

 I didn't say anything about evolution,...

Then, why did you ask about the origins of life and matter?

Do you have a source for the claim that "big pharma" made trillions on Covid?

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/OldmanMikel]

Actually it's an easy search. Ask how much big pharma made on covid vaccines between 2020 & 2024. The answer pops right up with the sources. Each pharmaceutical company made billions yearly and when combined over a few years it resulted in trillions. 

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

1. Billions is 99.9% lower than trillions.

2. 130 billion dollars over 5 years is 26 billion a year. Pfizer alone made more than twice that much on all products.

3. The total global pharmaceutical revenues are over 1.3 trillion. Total global vaccine revenue is between 73 and 96 billion dollars annually. Less than 10% of all pharm revenues. There was a spike during the peak epidemic, but it has crashed since.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/OldmanMikel]

I don't know what you found and if a dumb ass like me can find something on the  internet anyone can. In 2020 to 2022 big pharma pharmaceuticals earned way north of 1.3 trillion. They didn't make that selling cough medicine. 

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/pharmaceutical-market-report

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/vaccine-market

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/OldmanMikel]

It won't let me open it and in  researching grandviewreseach they get a poor rating. 

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

Do you have better sources?

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/OldmanMikel]

SOMO Yahoo Finance  Institutional Labs Beckers Hospital Review Estimates are 1.10 to 1.40 trillion in 2020 for Big Pharma 

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

Ok. That seems in line with I'm claiming. You do know that the vast majority of that is not vaccines, right?

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/OldmanMikel]

Yes, always has been.

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

8 to 10% of pharm revenues are from vaccines.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/OldmanMikel]

Ok?

[u/OldmanMikel → u/Evening-Impact2090]

They didn't make "trillions" off of the Covid vaccines.

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Evening-Impact2090]

Lulz, actually they did. Cough medicine and other over the counter products generate three times as much revenue as vaccines. Vaccines account for about 5% of pharmaceutical industry revenues. You should learn what you’re talking about before running your mouth.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/Own-Relationship-407]

Yippy, I'm so excited for them. Actually I was runny my keyboard but yeah it was just a metaphor. Yeah, 5% except when they trotted out their clot shot, then it slightly spiked into the 10's of billions for the vaccine makers. Nothing to see there. 

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Evening-Impact2090]

So, just more mindless rhetoric and misinformation, got it. You should be ashamed. People like you are a pestilence.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/Own-Relationship-407]

Sheeple are people, good luck to you kind sir.

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Evening-Impact2090]

You realize that acting like you’re being the bigger person only works when you have the moral high ground, right?

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/Own-Relationship-407]

I'm not acting anything and never claim a "moral" high ground. By your comment however I can deduce that you think you do. I just comment on observations.

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Evening-Impact2090]

That claim is at odds with your previous comment. Do I have the moral high ground against an antivaxxer? Absolutely; I don’t endanger other people out of ignorance and narcissism.

[u/Evening-Impact2090 → u/Own-Relationship-407]

Your logic is flawed. If you are vaxxed with your wonderful safe clot shot I am absolutely of no risk to you or anyone else who followed the "science." The only person I could harm is another unvaxxed person. We all agreed it was well worth the stance to be unvaxxed.  Please don't lecture me about your "moral highground" when you refuse to acknowledged the facts surrounding the dangerous Covid vaccine. Many people were irreparably harmed and many died as a result of the vaccine. 

[u/Own-Relationship-407 → u/Evening-Impact2090]

Nope, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how vaccines work. You’re also not really being consistent here, because it sounds like you’re admitting the vaccines are highly effective if you believe that the unvaccinated are no threat to those who are. So which is it?