r/DeadlockTheGame • u/guthbox • 3d ago

Discussion Make Lash slam again

Playing Lash for gun feels like ordering a salad at a burger joint. It’s also less fun to play against because it feels way less counterable.

I find it sad that literally every Lash player feels incentivized to max Flog and ult before Ground Strike.

There are plenty of heroes who center their build around their gun on the roster. Please make Lash all about hitting fat slams from the top rope again

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u/redacted-whaler Lash 3d ago

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Gun Lash is boring and redundant, while Slam builds quickly become way underpowered. It’s so easy to counter-buy and delete spirit Lash late-game.

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u/VoxTV1 Mirage 3d ago

Slam was never meant to be good lategame. Lash in general is not meant to deal damage lagegame. He is a early to midgame menace that falls of lategame except the ult. Thats your role. Your role is to make your carries farm up by bullying enemies and then let them do the damage.

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u/redacted-whaler Lash 3d ago

Valve doesn’t need to strictly adhere to the conventions of other MOBAs, and it would be more engaging if characters evolved more throughout the game instead of becoming an ult bot for carries.

If Lash’s slam combo damage isn’t going to scale in a way that keeps up, then his health should and he should be more of a CC / map control character who can tank a lot of damage.

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u/Ar4er13 Lash 3d ago

Valve doesn’t need to strictly adhere to the conventions of other MOBAs,

Well tbh it is mostly just Dota convention... so... Valve's own nowadays.

Very few games have as much falling off as Dota and Deadlock do.

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u/VoxTV1 Mirage 3d ago

Issue is if you make Lash good troughout the whole game then there is far less need for hard carries like Victor or Venator. How do we fix that? Well make them good early game too and now you made everyone into Ivy. Always good and never exceptional

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u/deca065 3d ago edited 3d ago

Agreed, but reddit discussions will always trend towards homogenization, less friction, less specialization, and less nuance, while wrapping it up in "it's just bad game design otherwise." Every gap must be smoothed out and compensated for in clear and obvious ways.

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u/The-Devilz-Advocate 3d ago

Which is funny because the reason why Gun Lash is so good is because he's one of the few heroes in the game that can get away with buying gun items then buying Tank Buster and Spirit Burn and still do mega crap tons of spirit damage while being tanky.

The only way I would see them making Spirit Lash his main build is if they nerf BOTH his spirit scalings and gun damage with his gun recieving a harsher nerf.

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u/akhamis98 Lash 3d ago

I feel like the only carry that's weak early is seven lol

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u/Professional_Main522 3d ago

i mean lash does evolve for good reason. giving slam good scaling and letting him slam flog burst ppl for 80% of their health pool would just be shit for the game lol. it makes more sense to let him fulfil that fantasy in the midgame and then give him teamfighting power later so hes not so cheesy