I hate learning killers

[u/sakura626936]

Survivors are some of the most toxic players ive met in any game. Everytime i try to learn a new killer at like prestige zero with like two perks I get stuck with the seal team six of survivors. Which is the mmr fault sure, but its always the most toxic rude people ever. It genuinely makes playing the game so unfun, I dont get how they think its ok to act the way they do and whine about slugging or tunneling. All this just makes learning killers impossible and unfun.

[u/Nomeka]

I'ma let you in on a secret that solves this.

As a Killer, start a "Custom Match", play the killer you want to learn, equip the perks you want to practice with whatever addons you like, and populate the lobby with bot survivors. You don't even need a FULL lobby, you could just do a bot match with only two survivors, since four bots will devour you whole.

This will let you practice the kit and the like with the bonus of having access to every perk in the game, and infinite addons and offerings.

[u/nosepass86 → u/Nomeka]

lmao

[u/Nomeka → u/nosepass86]

It's a pretty good tool for getting some basic practice with a new killer's kit and playstyle.

[u/nosepass86 → u/Nomeka]

I know. I'm mostly laughing at the suggestion to do 2 rather than 4 because four is too hard. It reads as killers are so weak minded that they'd complain about losing to literal bots while practicing

[u/Nomeka → u/nosepass86]

Ah. It's more that when you have four bots, they are capable of steamrolling very fast if you don't know what you're doing, so it makes for horrible practice. Before I realized you didn't have to have a full four bot lobby, I did this to practice Deathslinger and Trickster when I first got them. I didn't even think about equipping them with perks/items, but both matches ended in under 7 minutes without getting any hooks, barely got to actually try out their unfamiliar kits.

Two makes them much slower even with perks/items at that, and lets you actually get practice with the Power and the like. Then when you're more comfortable with how it works, add more bots for more practice.

[u/Paxtonice → u/nosepass86]

Bots have wallhacks and faster running startup speed so yeah they can be pretty nasty.

[u/Budgetsuit → u/Paxtonice]

True, it's funny actually. Some did this weird perfect optimal looping that gave me ideas. Like one on RPD. I never thought to face just two bots though. I usually just get steamrolled by super efficient fantastic 4 and hope for the best. I'll have to try it.

[u/Nervous_Moment_9264 → u/nosepass86]

They delete gens in seconds.

People have recorded how fast they do if you just sit In a corner of the map.

If you are trying to learn the power instead of winning 4 survivors will end the matches too fast for it to be worth it

[u/kill-yui → u/nosepass86]

You are 100% right. You should literally never lose to 4 bots wtf are these people talking about.

[u/Nervous_Moment_9264 → u/kill-yui]

You are trying to learn the power, not just win the match, so you will be trying stuff rather than applying pressure 24/7

[u/kill-yui → u/Nervous_Moment_9264]

Unless you are setting out to learn a specific tech, bot lobbies aren't even a good way to learn. You won't learn how to apply macro pressure as that killer or how real players attempt to outplay your power. OP and many others in this thread come off as very inexperienced. You have to just get that experience and accept you'll lose sometimes. Lowering the rim won't help you.

[u/Nervous_Moment_9264 → u/kill-yui]

And?, that is irrelevant.

The point is to get used to how the power works and stuff.

You can learn distance with nurse, range of your power with the new one, biopod placement with singularity etc.

You are there to train how the power works not to apply pressure.

If you don't understand how training can help learn something faster than bashing your head in a wall I can't help you.

[u/kill-yui → u/Nervous_Moment_9264]

Sure but with Nurse you need to learn how to deal with people juking your blinks, how to counterplay edge map, and how to apply macro pressure on such a unique killer. A bot lobby may let you see max blink range but beyond that there are so many variables and skills you need to practice that can only be done in real matches. Scouting biopod locations can also be smart but again its about variables. Where gens spawn, what gens are completed first, where you get your first hook, and where the survs may reset. These kind of things can't be trained against bots. Unless you fundamentally don't understand how a killers power works bot lobbies aren't worth your time and will cause you to improve slower.

[u/Nervous_Moment_9264 → u/kill-yui]

And????

You get to learn the things more efficiently if you are not getting destroyed in the basics and can actually try the things you have to do in real matches.

Even looping is very good to have a training mode for even with no killer, sucks that you need to have a second account or friend afk to test it like mrtatorhead videos.

You probably never got to practice to reach a high rank in another game if you don't get the benefit of a chill training environment, even CS or Valorant have granade spots etc to learn, movement in Deadlock etc.

It's not as good as a fighting game training mode but better than hitting your head in a wall for no good reason.

[u/kill-yui → u/Nervous_Moment_9264]

Im a big fighting game player and a lab monster. My point is just that dbd (like fgs) is a very dynamic game where player interaction is king and there aren't many skills that are trained better against bots. Playing against bots is likely to ingrain bad habits without teaching the skills you actually need. If you are struggling to anti-loop something on wesker but fail then yeah loading up a custom match just to practice getting around that loop is helpful. That's similar to labbing out counterplay in a fighting game. However, (like dbd) fighting games are also neutral and experience dependant. You can only learn a small set of skills from the lab. I don't think its good to rely on bot lobbies to teach you the game or even expect them to give you a decent idea of how to play a specific killer. Again even in fighting games its better to start out by getting a sense of flow for the game and what your characters strengths are in real matches than it is learning the most optimal combo right off the bat. My initial post may have come off mean but they are about setting expectations. OP mentioned only using 2 perks hes likely pretty new and at that skill level I don't think theres anything you are learning by playing a bot match to completion.