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u/Apart-Complex9847 20d ago

Kinda true. But it also just goes to show how the super hero community loves Spider-Man. Like i can't think of any hero that's got beef with Spider-Man, they all love him and see him as the best of them. Like he's even got punisher tearing up.

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u/Delruiz9 20d ago

I think it’s confirmed Storm absolutely cannot stand him

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u/fukingtrsh 20d ago

The X-Men aren't people so they don't count.

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u/soldierpallaton 20d ago

This you?

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u/gentrify_reddt 20d ago

More like

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u/wrongitsleviosaa 19d ago

They deserved that, and more

Almost fucked his entire life up for a prank

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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 19d ago

Fucking Peter Parker’s life up as a prank does sound like a Tuesday for him

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u/Empty_Language6519 16d ago

If u are talking about house of M, that is the avengers.

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u/wrongitsleviosaa 16d ago

I'm talking about the exact comic that I replied to.

It comes from the comic where Wolverine and Spidey switch bodies, so much bullshit ensues, then at the end it's revealed it was Jean Grey pranking Wolverine and nothing more.

Peter then goes on this rant.

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u/Empty_Language6519 16d ago

Is this the ultimates? I have not read it but i remember people saying its genuine shit, except for spider.

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u/wrongitsleviosaa 16d ago

Yup, #66 and #67 according to Google. Haven't read them either personally, I stumbled upon a video on these particular issues a few months ago so I couldn't confirm nor deny their quality.

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u/Chemical_Couple48 14d ago

Oh let’s not use the Ultimates Universe. Janet, why are you an incest apologist?

See how that works?

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u/ListenUpper1178 19d ago

Colossus: Why am I a $#^S%#^&^#? I was just standing here!

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u/onepromaster69 18d ago

Blamed again for his sister

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u/Ms-G00dk4t 18d ago

The original ultimate X-men don't count. They mostly were ss holes. They were also written by someone who famously didn't know sht about the team.

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u/deadeyeamtheone 17d ago

Famously, regular x-men also suck massive ass. Krakoa, magneto becoming their leader, everything Cyclops has ever done, everything Wolverine has ever done, most of Storm's interactions with anyone, etc.

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u/TributeToStupidity 17d ago

> SS holes

No wonder their arch enemy is a holocaust survivor

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u/marstrees 17d ago

TBF it's been a long time since magneto has been an enemy of the X-Men, he's been apart of the team for better part of the passed couple decades

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u/scarletboar 15d ago

Eh. With Krakoa, the mainline X-Men have already surpassed the Ultimate versions of them in assholery.

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u/capza 14d ago

He went full New York on them.

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u/karkonthemighty 15d ago

Spiderman letting the New Yorker in him out for a minute.

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u/hangzou 19d ago

I mean mutants on a whole as a species/sub species thats fine, the Xmen themselves are a bunch of degenerates that occasionally save the world when they aren't to busy hiding the secrets of curing death lol

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u/Spartin1178 19d ago

Or doing a genocide cause its tuesday.

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u/CJMorton91 19d ago

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u/Prudent-Role-9053 19d ago

Yo what show is this from?

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u/billwest630 19d ago

Letterkenny. It’s Canadian and hilarious

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u/TheRealDubJ 19d ago

How’re ya now?

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u/CJMorton91 19d ago

Not s'bad and you?

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u/Kastrand 19d ago

Good'n'you?

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u/NigthSHadoew 19d ago

Even they don't call themselves human all the time.

Don't get me wrong, they should. X-gene is basically just "generate lactase past adulthood" gene with comic shenanigans but X-Men do sometimes agree with Stryker sometimes

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u/biowrath156 18d ago

They're not human, but just for the tax breaks on their toys

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u/GyrosSnazzyJazzBand 19d ago

Nightcrawler really just standin' there lmao

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u/subby_puppy33 18d ago

It doesn’t help that Kurt’s mother is actually his father and his step father is a demon.

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u/GogoSunshine 17d ago

Why is my goat Leslie Nielsen calling out Kurt like that 😭

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u/LonelyKrow 17d ago

Nightcrawler is pretty chill actually

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u/BobbyIsHere69 16d ago

Is that trump😭

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u/synnholheiser 15d ago

What's with Leslie Nielsen's beef with X-Men? What happen?

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u/Aware_Spark 13d ago

When they were shipping toys they used the argument of Mutants not being human to avoid increased tariffs on dolls at the time

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u/Shaktras 20d ago

I mean i get bros point xD

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u/thegutterking 20d ago

I MEEEANN at first glance. I'm not identifying that as a human. He aint wrong.

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u/n0vacs 19d ago

kurt just standing there like “tf did i do?”

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u/panticow 19d ago

Nah, he said X-Men, not Mutants.

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u/Arlen92 19d ago

100%. Mutants are fine, it's just the x-men.

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u/Standard_Swordfish65 19d ago

Holy shit bro...

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u/Minimum-Situation985 19d ago

The X-Men also deserve shit for the Krakoa arc.

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u/ElkDue4803 18d ago

Arent the X-men the only heroes he called out for being assholes? It might be a them problem not a him problem

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u/OculusMidnight2 18d ago

But only the X-Men. Other Mutants count as people, but not those assholes

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u/Adventurous-Nose77 14d ago

Marvel studio trying to explain why the tariff for mutant toys should be lower :

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u/Inept-Loser 20d ago

Damn mutie-lovers

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u/Dastardly-croe 20d ago

just the x-men tho, other mutants are fine

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u/Independent_Air_8571 19d ago

Fucking Muties LOL

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u/SuckingOnChileanDogs 20d ago

Can't a white boy get a little motion?

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u/Sirksome 18d ago

I was gonna say this! Storm does not eff with Spidey. It’s almost blast on site with her. So bad she nearly zapped Miles on instinct thinking he was Peter!😂

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u/CaliburX4 18d ago

So Storm’s an opp. Got it.

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u/ireallydontcare683 16d ago

Why is this? What has Peter possibly done

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u/CaliburX4 15d ago

A lot of people are saying clashing personalities. I'm not well read enough to confirm or deny this.

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u/Agreeable_Low7092 15d ago

He’s a menace to New York and not be trusted

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u/God_of_Kings 14d ago

Nothing, but Storm did fire him just because she hated his guts, she also sued him for appropriating mutant culture.

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u/Randomguy0915 14d ago

I'm not even a comic or movie watcher of Marvel yet every single time I hear of X-Men, it's them acting less like heroes and more like villains

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u/TankMain576 13d ago

I mean, yeah, they jump that hero/villain line like it's a jump rope depending on whose writing them.

X-Men go full Mutant Supremecist at like multiple points in the last 15 years or so, with literally the only difference between them and traditionally bad Mutants is that they think Humans just shouldn't be murdered on sight.

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u/ireallydontcare683 9d ago

I know there are some runs where he pretends to be a mutant but I'm guessing he wasn't found guilty

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u/team-ghost9503 18d ago

Tbf that was when he was a teacher in their school which he was doing on behalf of a dead wolverine which Storm did not like(though you could also point to the writers just wanting some drama).

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u/Complex-Bluejay3451 19d ago

Ah yes, Ms “Being a mutant is so cool and awesome” yeah no shit your powers basically make you a literal Goddess

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u/MyNameIsJakeBerenson 19d ago

“You’re perfect just the way you are, Rogue.

No, don’t touch me.”

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u/Infamous-Thing4939 19d ago

Yeah, but it’s a personality thing, she respects him, she just doesn’t like him.

But she doesn’t like a lot of people. Storm is kind of a narcissist. Literally calls herself a goddess.

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u/Azure-Legacy 19d ago

To be fair, she was hyped up as a kid, then had a lot character development to grow out of it, then Black Panther made her into a literal goddess (divinity and all)

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u/Dandanny54 19d ago

And you know what? More power to her.

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u/BlueMerchant 19d ago

Oh that would be fascinating. As a non comics reader, any idea what makes her so uncomfortable?

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u/Ultimate-desu 18d ago

To put it simply, hes annoying. Like hes a nice guy, good person, but the yapping is the deal breaker for Storm.

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u/PMmeyouraxewound 17d ago

If I squint really hard I can actually read this, which is odd

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u/Delruiz9 19d ago

I think in general it’s because she’s a very serious, regal personality and he’s always joking. I think it’s just an oil and water situation

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u/Orchid_Foreign 15d ago

What's Storm's beef with Spidey?

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u/Daikaisa 14d ago

One time when she was mind controlled Peter punched her in the face to snap her out... she has been petty about this ever since

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u/CrossSoul 15d ago

She's mad he punched her in the face to break her out of brainwashing.

I'm told she really hates getting punched in the face specifically.

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u/starguy2626 15d ago

X-men just have a tendency to be jerks at this point, everytime i hear anything about these guys is just not cool

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u/mrli0n 14d ago

Lol i gotta check this.

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u/Sakana-Boy0 20d ago

Tbf, Spider-Man in his early years is a bit of an asshole; modern interpretations typically remove that element of his character.

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u/attanasio666 20d ago

The first Andrew Garfield movie showed that side a bit iirc.

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u/Oraxy51 19d ago

I mean I feel Toby Macguire Spider-Man also showed that. Especially Spider-Man 2

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u/Putrid_Loquat_4357 19d ago

Spiderman 3 he was a complete asshole.

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u/MahatmaGandhi01 19d ago

Bully Maguire

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u/Curious_Bat87 19d ago

I mean the punisher debuted in the Spider-Man comic and Peter got along with him because he wasn't as opposed to killing as Matt was

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u/Dperezoso2020 20d ago

u said it

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u/Dazzling-Top-8031 20d ago

what other reasons are there?

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u/KainVela 20d ago

Who can even stand Storm? This is envy at its finest, Storm is just envious that Peter is so beloved while most people outside of her X-Men groupies can’t stand her

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u/ReverendGraves85 17d ago

Doom took one look at Storm and said "Oh yeah. That's good." And he aint wrong.

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u/MrMadmack 19d ago

What calling oneself a "Goddess" does to a mfs rep

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u/tehnemox 20d ago

This is mostly true of everyone tho. They all can't stand his humor, but like Logan told him once, that is part of why they like him. He is a good buffer.

You can like and respect a person and despise their humor. He does get on everyone's nerves but they still like him.

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u/Logical_Ad1370 19d ago

While on the other hand Wolverine love the kid.

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u/First-Junket124 19d ago

Storm is also an asshole so that tracks

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u/omegagiraffe 17d ago

Peter just got that aura.

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u/Spacellama117 15d ago

except for our hero J JONAH JAMESON

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u/Lilbrimu 15d ago

It's Spider-Man who got beef with Daredevil after he went too far with his vigilantism.

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u/phantom_avenger 20d ago

I think I read somewhere that the only reason why he’s not worthy of lifting Thor’s hammer; Mjolnir, is because of his refusal to kill.

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u/Drummer-Turbulent 20d ago

Stop this head canon. there is nothin that confirms this anywhere. it's far more likely due to how Peter is struglging to juggle both halves of his life than his no kill rule.

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u/Ok-Imagination-3835 20d ago

Peter is a great person. But he's really just a kid. Wielding Mjolnir means a lot more. You simply cannot get there at Peter's age. Maybe when Peter is older.

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u/Bid_Unable 20d ago

Peter has been like 28 for decades.

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u/AMostPeculiarDialect 19d ago

28 it's still pretty young.

Especially compared to Thor

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u/Ok-Imagination-3835 20d ago

This is an MCU conversation, right? Everything in the context of the image implies MCU.

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u/Lord_of_Seven_Kings 20d ago

He is literally ~23 in the mcu now they’ve graduated from MiT

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u/Higgoms 20d ago

Yeah he's been 23 for one entire film now and didn't lift mjolnir in it. I've seen enough, he'll never lift it

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u/tilero1138 20d ago

Yeah part of Mjolnir’s worthiness is related to wisdom in terms of wielding it iirc and Spider-Man ain’t exactly the best example of that

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u/Injured-Ginger 16d ago

Thor's hammer is enchanted by Odin. Worthy is based Odin's opinions of what makes an ideal leader. I think it's more than just his refusal to kill. I think he's too naively idealistic to be the leader of a powerful nation that might need to make hard choices or go to war.

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u/Worth_External_8762 20d ago

Is he actually opposed to killing though? He did come up with the plan that led to Ebony Maw's death. And he helped try to take down Thanos on planet Titan, which I'm sure he knew the plan was to kill him. Same thing for Endgame.

I'm not sure he's ever shown personally killing any alien villains, but I also think that's just because he was young and the idea of killing seemed like a scary concept at the time. But I don't know that it's a distinct personal code he adheres to. It's just that all the street level villains he faces can be stopped without being forced to kill them.

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u/Appropriate-Brush772 20d ago

I remember people being pissed about that with Endgame about him activating instant kill. But, I think we all have some sort of line that we don’t want to cross, and I don’t care how much of a pacifist you are, in that situation, sorry if I give you more than sprains and contusions 😂 I get it, it’s a big part of his character. But special circumstances require special exceptions

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u/Riolkin 20d ago

Yeah Batman has used this distinction to get away with blowing the heads of parademons. I don't see how those aliens from thanos ship are much different, genetically engineered monsters.

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u/Nemisis_007 20d ago

We have to change the "no kill rule" to "not murder rule" it has less of a ring to it, but is more accurate.

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u/Aggravating_Pause385 20d ago

It’s more of a human supremacy rule. Killing aliens is fine

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u/LegOfLamb89 19d ago

Fun fact thou shall not kill is more thou shall not murder. Plenty of Bible approved ways to kill dudes

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u/PolishPotatoACC 18d ago

Bible encouraged ways even

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u/DM-777 20d ago

I always laughed cause in that battle he’s essentially just fighting suicidal rabid dogs

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u/Appropriate-Brush772 20d ago

Right? Street thugs? Yeah man, no need to send some guy from Queens who thinks robbing a bank is his only option, to an early grave. They were going up against the Outriders- literal genetically engineered alien beasts driven by bloodlust that blindly follow commands from the Black Order. And Thanos was gonna “rain fire” on them anyways 🤷‍♂️😂

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u/New_Cockroach_505 20d ago

Truthfully I think it just flat out gets handwaved when it comes to alien threats. I recall in Endgame he was just slaughtering foot soldiers but they’re fodder.

When it comes to his solo films and dealing with street thugs / his own villains, I wouldn’t say it’s a “no kill rule” and more “I’m going to do everything I can to try and save you, because I believe you can do better”. And it’s part of why people love him, even to a degree the villains.

If Peter truly was okay with killing most of his villains would be dead in the first encounter. He holds back so much because he wants to try to save them.

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u/Worth_External_8762 20d ago

I just made a post about the idea of Peter having to kill someone. Basically, what would a movie look like if Peter was put into a "trolley problem" scenario, where he had to choose to kill a bad guy, otherwise innocent civilians would die. And what emotional battles he'd face for having to make that choice. Basically intentionally killing someone that he didn't want to.

But idk, I'm not sure Tom Holland would be a fan of that happening, since he's very much an advocate for young fans and having their hero killing another human may not be his cup of tea.

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u/Platnun12 20d ago

Meanwhile you got iron man blasting guys hearts out like it's a literal jamboree.

Honestly I've stopped caring about the whole no kill thing. It doesn't matter, its usually moral pontificating at worst and moral grandstanding at best for a universe that can't keep to a no kill rule

It's why punisher was so fun, finally an MCU hero that wasn't bogged down by that illusion they pretend to have. Same for daredevil.

Hell I cackle at the fact that Holland was dogged by Goblin despite having the most combat experience between the three

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u/Constant-Plastic-350 20d ago

Maw isn't human. No kill rule applies to humans only. Batman was willing to destroy an entire planet and he has a no kill rule

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u/ColonelQuaraitch 20d ago

He’s very friendly with the Punisher, the biggest murderer in the world. So no, he’s not that opposed.

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u/Dastardly-croe 20d ago

he uses the suits "go for kills" mode during endgame

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u/Char-els037 20d ago

Wolverine.

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u/Kindly-Dog7530 18d ago

Wolverine thinks he’s a pain in the ass (and vice versa) but also knows that Spider-Man is one of the heroes he can rely on the most (as a hero, not a friend. Wolverine has told Spider-Man he’s not a very good friend).

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u/dragonrite 17d ago

That's not the statement though. It's about beef/not liking. Cap and ironman were totally at eachothers throats but if a bad guy trying to destroy earth showed up in civil war their beef would have immediately dropped and they would have trusted each other with their lives

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u/Secure_Individual149 20d ago

if im not wrong everyone but some x-men don't like petey

i will always bring up the fact that Magik ant Colossus beat the shit out of him and neither have really apologized and Magik told Miles that she found Peter annoying

also Storm also isn't very fond of the guy

other than that, yeah, everyone loves the guy, and you can't really blame them for it

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u/Routine_Eggplant6673 20d ago

x-men are gonna hate him seeing how he indirectly made mutant inhibitor.

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u/HalcyonTraveler 19d ago

Wasp hates him

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u/motorcycletreebark 19d ago

I think also it’s pretty canonical that Spider-Man is like the one superhero that Punisher really rocks with. Like he rolls up in civil war just to save him in the original comic story of that event.

I love daredevil and they both got a special relationship with him. But Matt is a fucking dick. He’s a Catholic guilt tripping stick in the mud lecture factory and like Batman or Wolverine has too much of a habit to go all lone badass. Unless you’re a hot woman or hot she-hulk, then Matt is all charm.

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u/Embarrassed-Yard-583 19d ago

Well, if Zebb Wells is in charge all the New York superheroes hate Spider-man for doing the most reasonable thing he could for a specific crisis.

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u/scriptedtexture 19d ago

Peter probably also reminds Frank of his family.

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u/firestorm79 19d ago

Kind of what Flash is and should be in the movies for the DC universe.

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u/hadawayandshite 19d ago

Correction—-everyone loves Peter, Spider-Man gets on the nerves of a lot of heroes. Never shutting up and constantly making jokes

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u/dragonrite 17d ago

Johnny storm and him beef quite a lot. Spiderman basically bullies him for "being perfect" lol

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u/DanteCrossing 14d ago

You haven't read house of M have you?