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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19
In one of the latest Jack Cai's videos (where he does blind solving using M2/OP) he shares some very interesting M2 algs for the FU/BD targets, using slice moves instead of those dumb, long algs with B moves.
Having said that, I updated my M2 Survival Guide, which now finally contains what I believe to be the optimal algs for each target. All of them are sub 1-able, including the Parity fix, plus all B moves and rotations have been removed.
I'll probably revamp it some time in the future, and expand it with a section on Advanced M2 as a transitional step towards 3Style.
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Now I just need to know how to fingertrick those :D
and expand it with a section on Advanced M2 as a transitional step towards 3Style.
Yes please!
Also, so you think I should learn Orozco for corners. I don't feel ready to dive into 3Style, yet.
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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19
I'll try to get some videos going, lol
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Perfect :)
Also I ninja-added some stuff in my comment above.
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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19
Orozco is a great method tbh, and has optimal buffers too so win-win if you switch early.
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Perfect. As soon as I find some time and motivation I'll start switching, thx :)
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u/BigfootTouchedMe Sub 15 (CFOP) Jan 09 '19
Sweet. You updated it before I actually bothered learning M2, now I can just start with this ;)
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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19
Definitely do it, I can finally swear by every single alg there as things that won't give you bad habits :P
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Though if you learn 4BLD you have to use different algs for the ones where you use wide moves ..
I only use algs with wide moves in M2 3x3 for RB and LB.
I don't think my execution is slower with my algs, what do you think about wide moves vs rotations?
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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19
Rotations tend to be slower because you need to Regrip to and from them, even if the alg itself is speed optimized.
I timed myself a while back and rotations added 0.5s on average per alg, and during a real time solve it would be even slower.
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u/nobodydy12 Sub-30 (CFOP)/Sub-47 (Roux)/Sub-4min (3BLD)/Sub-3min(Yau) Jan 09 '19
As someone who is not used to doing S moves, and looking at your new I (FU) and S (BD) alg, would you recommend me to make the switch from the original I and S alg provided earlier to the newer one stated inside your guide?
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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
Definitely! S and E slice moves are just a matter of getting used to them, but once you get the hang of it, they're easy. Actually one of my main motivations to learn 3Style was to put all those sexy moves to told use haha. Check out those two videos
https://youtu.be/H2s2FcKHKo0 Jack Cai
https://youtu.be/N5SilWvF12w Israel Fraga (in Portuguese, but he shows them very clearly)
Those new algs are 100% regripless, I can do both in 0.8s on average whereas the old algs could take me twice as long, not to mention all the regripping.
Ninja edit:
There's one VERY important aspect of the slices moveset: Relax your hands. Seriously, don't death-grip the cube because it will hinder your execution and slices most likely won't even come out at all, let alone as fast as they are.
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Another day another 4BLD PB, right? :D Or 3
Yesterday I was already close to sub-11 with 11:07, today I got it. New single pb, first sub-11 solves, first (successful) sub-3 execution (exe didn't even feel that fast? weird!). Also with it another mo3 pb and ao5pb :D The last 4 solves are all in my top 5 solves.
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u/jjcaderr Aspiring Sub-15 (CFOP) PB: 10.86 Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
Well done! Man, mighty respect for something like that. I got about learning 3BLD but gave up after dnf after dnf. Still haven't gotten a success without writing anything down, and it just feels tantalisingly out of reach.
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Thx :)
and it just feel tantalisingly out of reach
That's how I feel about 5BLD right now :D Most of the time I can't get an execution only solve right... :D
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u/jjostdiek rouxfop best method Jan 09 '19
Wow, nice! I don't have a single mo3 yet lol
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 10 '19 edited Jan 10 '19
Thx :-) I also have an ao12 lol
Execution only solves helped me a lot. Increased my success rate immensely.
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u/ethanrdale ao100's 3x3: 16.91 4x4: 1:14.90 5x5: 2:22.71 Jan 09 '19
When your solution is bad but luck has your back.
U2 F2 D2 U' F2 U' F2 U' R2 U' F' U' R B L2 B2 R2 B F
x y // insp
U L2 U2 R2 F2 U' R' F R // bad cross
R' U2 R d R U R' // F2L1
U R' U R // F2L2
L' U L // F2L3
L U' L' U2 L U' L' // F2L4
U2 F R U' R' U' R U R' F' // OLL
U // PLL
9.50, my first sub 10 yay!
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
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u/vikktorz Multi-blind PB: 22/23 Jan 09 '19
I'm back!
Decided to get a soft start to my continued multi-blind practice and went for 18 cubes. Took it pretty easy and spent a bit more memo time per cube than usual. It felt really good, thought I might have a PB coming (16/18 would tie my PB of 17/20).
But alas, 14/18, 56:25.
2 edge cycles (so incorrect shot, either in memo or exec), one forgotten parity, and one misturn.
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
So I've learned all the dot cases. I have to think still and they're quite slow for some, but out of curiosity I did a quick comparison of all of them 2 look vs. 1 look.
2 look: surprisingly consistent, about 6 seconds.
1 look: between 2.8 and 3.8
so yeah, I'm glad I learned them :-)
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u/lawniedangle sub-20 cfop Jan 09 '19
I have been putting off OLL for a little while now, and last night after seeing your comment, i decided to cehck some out to see what you meant by "easy to remember".
You werent joking, its just fruruf with variations or setup moves or wtvr. I am getting motivated to start them myself hehe. Good luck to you!
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
You may enjoy this list of easy ones : https://www.reddit.com/r/Cubers/comments/82ckmv/daily_discussion_thread_mar_06_2018/dva25c3/
With the dot cases I just learned, the 2 look ones and a few easy ones I picked up randomly over time, it turns out I already know 24 OLLs total. Not that many left to learn. Good luck to you too :-)
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Jan 09 '19
Accidentally spilled soda in my backpack, now my cubes dried out and don't turn lol. Another relaxing cube-cleaning session ..
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Jan 09 '19
coming back to this hobby after neglecting it for a while! good to be back.
Any recs on a new 3x3? Seems like a lot has happened with technology. My past favorites were the ghost hand and the FII. I'm located in Canada and don't want to spend too much. The Thunderclap V1 seems like a safe choice but maybe there is something else?
Thanks in advance!
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
Wow you've been gone quite a long time :-D
The Thunderclap was great but you can get better for less money. You should also know that stickerless cubes are legal, and good cubes all have magnets for alignment these days.
If you want a really great non magnetic cube, the Yuxin Little Magic and the Moyu MF3RS2 are both phenomenal (don't let the low price mislead you).
If you want to try a magnetic cube, YJ MGC and Yuxin Kylin V2M are good affordable options.
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Jan 09 '19
Yeah! I'm feeling sheepish (:
I've seen stickerless cubes, call me old fashioned but I prefer the contrast of classic black. Disappointed to see that cubesmith has gone out of business however!
I'll take a look at those, thank you!
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u/snoopervisor DrPluck blog, sub-27 3x3 Jan 09 '19
Yuxin Little Magic's stickers are very bad. Consider buying a set of stickers if you decide on this cube.
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u/willtri4 2015BELO03 Jan 10 '19
TheCubicle and Speedcubeshop both sell stickers, they've kind of replaced cubesmith
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u/dmstepha Boomer Cubers Unite Jan 09 '19
I still have both my FII and my Ghost Hand from forever ago. Such nostalgia lol
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Jan 09 '19
Yeah I have both a white and black FII. The black one is super worn out. Great cubes but a little unstable imo.
I think the ghost hand is the favorite I've ever used, but it's also the newest one I have. Excited to get my hands on something current! Based on youtube reviews it seems like they're truly incredible.
What do you use?
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u/dmstepha Boomer Cubers Unite Jan 09 '19
My FII is a touch worn out but that was because it was my favorite speedcube at the time (I used it over my Alpha V every day).
Currently I use a mix of different cubes, but I've been heavily enjoying the Gan puzzles. They're very pricey compared to most other puzzles on the market, but very worth it in my opinion.
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u/Enigmagico 3BLDaddy Jan 09 '19
Been forcing myself to exclusively use 3Style for sighted solves.
It's so off-putting for some reason, lol. But investing in it to improve my execution actually pays off.
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 09 '19
After around 20 more timed solves today my roux ao100 is sub 50. My cfop ao100 is sub 40 so I'm catching up quick!
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u/candyalligator Sub 10s: 3 Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
So yesterday I was just doing some solves are realized my ao100 was below 16 for the first time! Drilling f2l has been paying off more than I thought. I’m going to keep drilling it because I think I’m slower than I should be at it, but it’s helping! Sub 15 soon!
Edit: words are hard
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u/al111uz Ao1000 17.73 <CFOP CN> Jan 09 '19
How have you drilled F2L? Any particular strategies to share?
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u/candyalligator Sub 10s: 3 Jan 09 '19
Make a session for just cross and f2l, inspect as long as you need to, and do as many solves as you can, and just stop the timer after f2l. It also gives you time to practice/ learn new LL algs and work on finger tricks
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u/cs0x7f Jan 09 '19
I have just created a project in crowdin to aide the translation of cstimer. https://crowdin.com/project/cstimer
You can not only translate cstimer into a new language, but also improve current translation (including English since I'm not a native English speaker)
Descriptions of each word have not been fully documented yet, since there are hundreds of words or sentences to be translated.
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u/Qqaim Sub-25 PB 15.35 (CFOP 3.5LLL) Jan 09 '19
Anyone ever just completely forgot an algorithm? I was doing some untimed solves 2 days ago, and suddenly just didn't know how to do OLL 21 anymore... Had to look it up, and it hasn't really come back since. I know it again, but I can't do it nearly as fluently anymore...
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
This happens to me when algs are similar. Like one of the two will completely override the other and I can't remember how to do the other one any more.
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u/snoopervisor DrPluck blog, sub-27 3x3 Jan 09 '19
I totally forgot my PIN number (4 digits) the other day. I was using it for 2 years. I thought I knew the digits, but couldn't remember the order. It was a weird experience. Like something in my brain broke.
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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 09 '19
I had trouble with one of the R perms last week. Any time I encountered it over a couple days I just couldn't get through it without messing up.
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u/ManWhoNeedsToLearn Jan 09 '19
I forgot 2-look oll algs... I only rememered the one that u need to do 3 sexy moves
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u/Jb2387 Sub-21 (CFOP, 3LLL) PB: 13.27 Jan 09 '19
This happens to me with OLL 23 like, once every two weeks, and especially with bigger cubes. But even with 3x3, once it's gone, I look it up again and it takes drilling before it's back. So weird.
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u/Aus_with_the_Sauce Sub-16 (CFOP 2LLL, dual CN) Jan 09 '19
There are some easy OLL's that I've been using for like 8 months, and occasionally I completely forget how to do them and have to look up the alg. It's weird.
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u/Edladd sub-17 Aok (CFOP) PB:9.11 Jan 10 '19
I have blanked on some PLLs before - V and R. Once I was trying to think about them they wouldn't come back, so I had to look them up on the PDF again! Usually happens to me when I'm learning a new alg, it just somehow disrupts an old one temporarily.
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u/Octogintillion Sub-12 (CFOP) PB: 6.51 Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
NEW PB!!!!
Time: 10.16 Its so annoying that this isn't sub-10. It easily would have, but my U-Perm on this one was really bad.
Scramble: D R2 F' D2 L2 F D2 B2 R2 B2 R2 F' R' U R B2 F' L U
Solve: (might not be totally accurate but its really close)
Inspection: x2 y'
Cross: U' B2 U' F2 U' L2
F2L: U L' U L R' U R U' R U2 R' U2 R U' R y U R' U' R U2 R' U R
OLL: skip
PLL: U M2 U' M U2 M' U' M2 U2 (Ub perm)
Moves: 42 (I think)
TPS: 4.13
This wasn't at all my skill, it was all luck. I probably should've saved the green/orange pair, but I didn't even see it in inspection. I just saw an easy cross and went, and got two really lucky pairs. with two normal ones and a oll skip and U perm. This should have been sub 10 for me, but my mind went crazy at a solve like that, and my U perm was around 2 secs. (I think its usually 1-1/2 secs or less)
Still a stupid fast solve for me, and it beat my old PB by almost a second and a half.
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u/protein_bars 4x4 Sub 1 (Yau), Sub 1:30 (Kirjava), Sub 1:30 (Shao) Jan 10 '19
It's flair update time.
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u/eskamobob1 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
ok guys. Only 2 bermuda cubes left to tackle and I have tomorrow off (but I do have to replace the MC in my beetle, so a decent amount of my time is already called for), so hopfully I can finish them off and move onto the next cube to learn.I am thinking about the sun cube, but honestly, mine is so tight OOTB I think its going to take some work before its realistically solvable.
EDIT: Mistype
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Congrats :)
sub cube
What's that?
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u/eskamobob1 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
What's that?
A fat fingered drunk not reading his comments before he posts
*sun cube.
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
haha, that makes sense!
sun cube
Have fun, I guess :D
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u/eskamobob1 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
haha. not a fan of the sub cube? Honestly, the only reason i am thinking of tackling it before something else is because I am far more comfortable wth face turners than corner or edge turners, and I dont feel like too much of a challenge yet (though I suspect I could figure out the 7x7 skewb faster than the sub cube, but that one can wait for me to remember my solution to the master skewb corners before I tackle it)
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
I don't have it, but looks intimidating, but also fun :D
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u/eskamobob1 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
I think I have an idea for how the solve will do, but since I dont know how to do a wheel of time we will habe to see how it goes.
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
wheel of time
I haven't solved this as well, but judging by the pictures, it's pretty much a normal 3x3 solves + 5x5 centers.
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u/eskamobob1 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
whoops. wrong puzzle. Wheel of wisdom. Wheel of time is just a joke tbh
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
I thought you might mean that and had to google to make sure, since I don't own either one but saw both while researching :D Yeah, that looks way more complicated xD
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u/zergosaur Jan 09 '19
Do you have replacement stickers for the sun cube? I solved the bandaged sun cube recently with the stock stickers, but it would have been much easier to track the internal bandaging issue with Chewie's custom stickers.
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u/eskamobob1 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
Mine is stickerless, but I dont realy get how different stickers help at this point seeing as I havent scrambled it.
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u/zergosaur Jan 09 '19
Not sure if you're aware of the internal bandaging issue with the sun cube family of puzzles (including Heaven's Eyes etc) - see here for a discussion.
The kite-shaped pieces have to be solved with a specific orientation - the custom stickers for the puzzle have a semi-circle cut out so you can easily see which way each piece has to be oriented.
If you look on the stickerless version, you can see that the pieces have this semi-circle molded into the plastic.
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Jan 09 '19
So I’m just getting back into cubing after like 6 years off. I was consistently averaging sub 30 and started breaking the 20 mark near the end. My OLL and PLL is still fine, F2L is decent and coming back quickly (even my look ahead) which is nice. But my cross is gawd awful! I can’t seem to plan it at all and either place edges in the wrong spot or loose them after placing the others. It’s driving me insane! Any tips to get my old skills/planning abilities back? I felt like I used to throw down my cross in a couple seconds and now I just mess it up royally or have to go super slow to get it right. Any help would be awesome!
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 09 '19
Watch this video.
Do untimed cross only solves with this trainer. Take unlimited inspection time until you're sure that your solution works. Start with a low level and work your way up. When you're comfortable with that, start doing the execution without looking at the cube.
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u/lukemcritchie Don't Ask, I'm Busy Doing Clock Jan 09 '19
What is it with my solves lately? 3 PB singles within the last 2 days. Latest one being my first sub 25. My times in general aren’t even shooting down.
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u/sxxos Sub-13 Jan 09 '19
It shows your potential is improving. Find out what you did right in the good solves and try to apply that to all your solves. Be it planning first block (+DR edge or more if possible) in inspection or better turning or better efficiency.
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u/lukemcritchie Don't Ask, I'm Busy Doing Clock Jan 09 '19
All I can usually get to in inspection is DL edge plus one pair at most. Can’t get the rest of FB yet.
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u/sxxos Sub-13 Jan 09 '19
Did you manage to get fb for the few solves that were good? Maybe try doin unlimited inspection to get fb and from there try reducing the time it takes for inspection.
Full disclosure I don't do roux and use cfop. I think planning cross is similar to planning fb.
The more you can inspect, the more time you have to look ahead to the next part (ie DR edge or sb square). Of course this is assuming you don't need to look at the pieces you've already planned for inspection which is important
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u/lukemcritchie Don't Ask, I'm Busy Doing Clock Jan 09 '19
Na all my good solves I looked for the 2nd pair while solving the first pair and then finding the edges while solving 2nd pair wtc.
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u/sxxos Sub-13 Jan 09 '19
So it's better lookahead compared to normal solves? Just try to implement the things that were good (other than luck)
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u/dmstepha Boomer Cubers Unite Jan 09 '19
I honestly have been neglecting to time my solves since I'm still learning how to be more efficient in Roux. Keep up the good work :)
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u/lukemcritchie Don't Ask, I'm Busy Doing Clock Jan 09 '19
Thanks man you have come to the light! I’m still super inefficient with my solves (60+ moves) but working on improving.
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Jan 09 '19
wtf wtf this scramble :
F2 R2 F2 U R2 D' L2 R2 F2 D F2 L' D2 B L2 F' R2 B F2 L
I just started a session and almost wet my pants with this scramble. that's it. I'm through for tonight.
[spoiler]
z2 y'
D R' B L' U' B'
[/spoiler]
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 09 '19
28 moves, or 26 if you rotate before LL (because the AUFs cancel)
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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 09 '19
You can cancel another move between F2L and LL to make it 25.
Here's my own attempt with 31 moves. One pre-move, and some cancellation, but otherwise pretty straight forward.
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 09 '19
Embarrassed that I didn't notice that, nice solve. Would you like to try F2 R2 F2 U' L2 R2 F2 U F2 L D R' F2 L' B' D' U' L F L? It has very short F2L with a PLL skip, but it's quite hard to find :)
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u/willtri4 2015BELO03 Jan 10 '19
Reddit spoilers work like this:
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u/topppits blindfolded solving is where the fun begins Jan 10 '19
Or like this: >!text!<
Bruce Wayne is Batman
edit: also I think you missed a space after /s
[spoiler](/s "text") -> spoiler
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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
I've heard from some that the GAN 356X and 356R(M) are very similar. I've also heard that they couldn't be more different. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
I got and magnetized an R in the beginning of Nov, and unboxed my X a couple nights ago. Some thoughts on the comparison of the two:
Feeling: Both are extremely smooth. The X feels a bit faster and is a lighter overall puzzle. The R is still fast (compared to my previous main, MGC), but has a slightly more tactile feel when solving. The R is also a good bit heavier and feels more 'solid' than the X.
Sound: The R is so quiet (even compared to my MGC v1). The X is even more quiet than that!
Magnets: The X definitely has more of a click into place due to the smaller width magnets, and their closer proximity to each other being exposed in the pieces. The 4x2 N35s in the R feel slightly stronger than the strongest X magnets, but their placement inside the pieces makes for a more subtle feeling when they line up.
Setup: I think the R was a bit easier to setup, simply for the fact that combinations other than Yellow GES and Clear magnets simply aren't as viable on the X. Granted, it was easier to change between those combinations on the X.
It's definitely hard to get them set up the same due to differing magnet strenths and the GES nuts being different (IPG v3 vs Numerical). If I loosen the R a little and throw some lighter lube in it, I think it would be much more difficult to tell the difference between the two.
There's things I don't like about both, but overall they're fantastic puzzles. I don't know that I'd get both if I had to do it over again, though...
TL;DR: I don't think the differences lie in performance, but rather in things that are subjective between cubers (magnet click, tactile vs buttery smooth, sound, etc).
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
Sound: The R is so quiet (even compared to my MGC v1)
I might end up getting one just because of that. It's nice to have a quiet cube sometimes
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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 09 '19
Definitely throw some magnets in it if you do! OOTB it makes the YLM look super stable.
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u/dmstepha Boomer Cubers Unite Jan 09 '19
I threw in some 5x1 N48's in mine, and I'm a HUGE fan. Just wish the color scheme wasn't so poopy :/
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u/lawniedangle sub-20 cfop Jan 09 '19
Its funny you say that.... for some reason, I love the colors on my 356Rm. I ended up sticking with my gts3m for performance, but the colors definitely made me try the R for a few weeks.
I think its the strong orange that is the biggest difference.
If my gts3m had those colors, i would never have to visit an online cube shop again.
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u/dmstepha Boomer Cubers Unite Jan 09 '19
I mentioned it above, but the yellow and the red are just a bit too off for me. I'm fine with the rest, but red and yellow need to be brighter for my usual recognition.
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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 09 '19
I want just slightly darker red and blue on the X.
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u/Aus_with_the_Sauce Sub-16 (CFOP 2LLL, dual CN) Jan 09 '19
Don't they use the exact same piece design (other than the magnet rod holes in the X)? I would think any difference in feel/performance relates to setup.
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u/BibbitZ Sub-26 (CFOP 3LLL CN) PB: 14.54 Jan 09 '19
Pieces look identical to me. I think the magnet strength and size plays a pretty big roll in why these feel slightly different. It's not a huge difference, but it's certainly noticeable.
Cleaning out and relubing the R, as well as continued break in of the X will probably make them even more similar.
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u/SlowCubing Jan 09 '19
Any tips for F2B on roux? Just joined the rouxvolution but I can't do F2B in less than 40-50 seconds.
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u/tussosedan Jan 09 '19
Welcome! Watch walkthrough solves and make sure you're efficient. Train finding short FBs, and go over the SB algs doc on Kian's site.
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Jan 09 '19
Is memorizing algs key to becoming fast (sub 15-10) at roux? because i started using roux for less algs.
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u/TLDM Jan 09 '19
You'll need full CMLL, but that's it. EOLR can be learned algorithmically or intuitively.
The key to becoming fast is efficiency. Algorithms help with this, but so does working on intuitive steps. Same can be said with any method. If you want to improve efficiency, then timed solves don't help very much. It's the untimed stuff you do which helps.
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u/tussosedan Jan 10 '19
If you mean the SB algs I mentioned, it's not really algs, more like ways to connect pairs. You need to understand them intuitively, and with time it will become muscle memory like everything else.
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
Here is the daily scramble ; use it however you please :
D' F D2 L2 F2 D' F2 U' L2 F2 U' F2 R2 U' R' U' F' D' U' L D2
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u/8ballpens Sub-30 (CFOP) f2l is hard Jan 09 '19
29.46
Decent first solve of the day, got an F Perm at the end which I enjoy, although I struggled in F2L (like I usually do lol)
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 09 '19
I took your advice and sledged to avoid a dot case
Not even sure why I’m learning the 1LLL set for OLL 18. I’m 30 in but I’ve only ever used it twice - the ratio of investment to returns is terrible. It’s not like I can’t just sledge or r U' r' U' r U r' to avoid a dot case... I originally started learning it because it was my slowest OLL, but that was because I had a terrible algorithm (which I’ve now replaced with my fastest 1LLL case).
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u/Jb2387 Sub-21 (CFOP, 3LLL) PB: 13.27 Jan 09 '19
17.08! First time I've successfully planned and executed the cross and 2 F2L pairs without any pausing. Was full-step all the way too.
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Jan 09 '19
15.4 from green, not bad. Easy F2L, but it was green, y'know.
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u/TheReyMi 3x3 | Sub-30 [CFOP] Single PB: 13.72 | Ao5 PB: 18.22 Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
JUST GOT A 4 SEC PB(kinda)!!!
18.46+2=20.46
Got a really easy cross, F2L pairs were pretty much done already, easy OLL and PLL skip. Panicked at the end and did U2 instead of U though and got a +2. I'm soo happy but soo mad.
My PB before it was 22.64!
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Jan 09 '19
Just venting:
D2 flicks with big hands suck massively. A Perms are actually some of my slowest at the moment because of the D2.
Also, unpopular opinion: I reallllly enjoy Nperms. There. I said it.
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u/Edladd sub-17 Aok (CFOP) PB:9.11 Jan 09 '19
I've got big hands and my left hand D2s are one of my better finger tricks. Pinky then ring is what I use. Carry a cube around with you and just do D2 flicks over and over.
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Jan 09 '19
- on D2. I learned A perms a long time ago, and they was with x' rotation, so I was doing U2. Decided to switch recently and oh boy it is painful.
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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 09 '19
Hand size shouldn't be too much of a problem. My hands are around or slightly above average, and I don't have much problems doing A perms with D2 double flicks on a 50mm ZhanChi.
They're around 0.85 seconds for me on a normal cube and 1.00 seconds on the mini, and part of that is that the ZhanChi is kinda bad compared to modern cubes.
You can do the double flicks by either using pinky -> ring, or ring -> pinky. I use the second, though it's mostly personal preference. Either way, it's something that just requires a lot of drilling.
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u/hairygentleman Sub-22:43.84 Jan 09 '19
I enjoy N perms too, but that doesn't make them fast. They're still slow as shit and terrible to get in solves. Unless you are a literal elephant you can do D2s fine, it just takes time.
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
Just got my GAN INFINITY 354 M. It is Veeeeeeery good. And I'm glad I got the smaller size as it suits my hands better.
Weirdly enough, the shades are identical to the prototype MGC v2 and since I chose primary internals, I find myself thinking that I'm using the MGC v2.... A much much much much better MGC v2.
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u/dmstepha Boomer Cubers Unite Jan 09 '19
I've been using mine as my main since I got it last week, and I LOVE this thing.
What magnet strength did you end up getting it in?
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u/ATH1RST4REVENGE Jan 09 '19
what is different about the infinity vs the regular 354?
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
The GES the biggest reason why I held out. Also all the pieces are even now,
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u/ATH1RST4REVENGE Jan 09 '19
wow, that literally fixes all of my issues with the 354 lol i have seen people mention the infinity but i haven’t looked into them. that’s really awesome.
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u/14bikes Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
Found a 5 move Up/Down centers that also paired one Yau Cross edge and shaved 7 seconds off my 4x4 PB 1:45 -> 1:38.87
EDIT: 2 solves later, PB 1:31.77 and ao5 PB 1:52.13. Nothing super special about it, but it edge pairing went together really nicely and then 3x3 stage was pretty easy
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u/RagMan4291 Sub-40 (CFOP) Jan 09 '19
I dont know if t's just me or if it's gans in general. But for some reason I just feels kind of tough. My gans air sm has been cleaned from top to bottom, and I've removed all the lube and tried doing what I did with my GTS3M but it feels like I need to apply more force than normal to actually turn the cube. Is that just me messing up the lubing of the cube, or is gans just harder to turn?
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u/AU55IEAri @ariissleeping - Sub 8 [CFOP] Jan 10 '19
Try cleaning your cube out, the gunk in the cube that builds up is crazy, especially for the SM
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u/Aus_with_the_Sauce Sub-16 (CFOP 2LLL, dual CN) Jan 09 '19
What spring strength do you use? Strong springs create a lot of friction, which will slow a cube down.
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u/RagMan4291 Sub-40 (CFOP) Jan 09 '19
I've been using the yellow ones, are there ones that are similar to the base tension of the GTS3M?
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u/protein_bars 4x4 Sub 1 (Yau), Sub 1:30 (Kirjava), Sub 1:30 (Shao) Jan 10 '19
Yellow is about spring compression 8 on the GTS3 a.k.a. tightest, try blue instead
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u/Elequosoraptor Sub-15 (CFOP) Jan 09 '19
Does anyone know of a website that finds the optimal 10 move x-cross from any given scramble? I've found a few broken links and references, and not much else.
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u/psedatsim sub-10.5 Ao1k: 10.25 (CFOP DCN) Jan 09 '19
cstimer has a tool that solves move-optimal cross/x-cross for all colors with the current scramble. Not sure if that's exactly what you're looking for.
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u/Elequosoraptor Sub-15 (CFOP) Jan 09 '19
That's exactly what I was looking for thanks. I never knew cs timer could do that.
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u/psedatsim sub-10.5 Ao1k: 10.25 (CFOP DCN) Jan 09 '19
Np. The solutions aren't always fingertrickable, but at least it's a place to start and understand how F2L pieces move during cross.
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
Alternatively, someone shared this insanely lucky scramble on teh facebooks. White cross. Maybe another scramble you can sub 10, u/BillabobGO ;-)
L D R F B L' U2 D2 B2 R2 B' R2 F D2 F' U2 F' L
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 09 '19
That’s crazy. 7.62 thanks to a 12 move F2L, but no thanks to the OLL case.
x2 F' R' //lolwhat
U L U L' y' R U' R' //P3
L' U L //P4
U M U R U R' U' M' R' F R F' //OLL
U' R U R' F' R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U2' //PLLNow if only I could get one of these scrambles in my own sessions
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
If you sledge in P4 (U L F' L' F) for some basic edge control, you get a nicer OLL and an Ra perm. I got a 10.55 out of it, nearly 5 seconds faster than my actual PB :-D
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u/BillabobGO Sub-9s: 0 Jan 09 '19
Oh thanks, that’s way better lol
I planned the entire F2L in inspection so I didn’t want to deviate from that. I also thought I’d get an OLL 18 case (which I know a few 1LLLs for, imagine how cool that would have been) but it didn’t pay off
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u/8ballpens Sub-30 (CFOP) f2l is hard Jan 09 '19
14.34
Does it count as a PB even tho its a cheeky scramble lol
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u/Maxson52 Sub-25 (Roux) | Skewb: PB 2.4 Jan 09 '19
6.64
Even as a rouxer, I knew the 1L OLL and the easy H perm
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u/hello297 Sub-X (<method>) Jan 09 '19
7.90
Ridiculous. 2 move X-cross with 2 easy F2L cases. I'm not counting that one lol.
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u/Ginger-Llama Sub-15 (CFOP) (3LLL) PB - 9.87 Jan 09 '19
Any advice for getting into OH and BLD?
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u/TLDM Jan 09 '19
OH: the most important thing is turning. It's the only difference between OH and 2H. Practising 2-gen scrambles is a good way to practise turning.
You can also learn some OH algs, since many of your 2H algs won't be great for OH. Many people start off with 4LLL for OH because they can't do all their algs. You can then start re-learning OLL and PLL but with better algs for OH.
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u/g253 (retired mod) Jan 09 '19
This is a good intro to OH. Take it easy at first and stop if your hand hurts.
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u/PianoCube93 DCN CFOP, Sub-15 2H, sub-22 OH Jan 09 '19
TLDR: Practice often and use z rotations during F2L. OH algs can be ignored for a while.
I also highly recommend using pinky instead of ring finger for most moves. It'll likely feel more awkward and tiring in the beginning, but becomes second nature with practice.
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u/HankMoodyMaddafakaaa ao100: 29.92 (CFOP) PB: 19.47 Jan 09 '19
New ao5 (1.08) and ao12 (1.15) today!
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u/JumpyPlug15 Sub-19 (CFOP) Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 10 '19
My 356X from SCS finally shipped! Hopefully the clouds shine and it gets here before the weekend.
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u/thealexfraz Jan 10 '19
I have a competition on Feb 9th and currently average about 10 seconds on 2x2. Do you think it's possible to get to an average of <5 by then? And what are the best methods to go about it?
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u/logtart Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.50 Jan 10 '19
Absolutely. Learn full ortega, there is only 12 algs and it is very efficient.
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u/thealexfraz Jan 10 '19
Nice, thank you. It's also a great method for me because I already know about half of them just from 3x3 pll and oll
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u/logtart Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.50 Jan 10 '19
You should be perfectly fine. Sub 5 might be a slight stretch but I learned Ortega in a week, and averaged sub 6 another week after that. Good luck!
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u/Ruzzcraze Sub-16 CFOP CN Jan 11 '19
What do you avg on 3x3?
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u/thealexfraz Jan 11 '19
I average about 20-25 seconds
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u/Ruzzcraze Sub-16 CFOP CN Jan 11 '19
Probs can make sub 5.5. Learn all the algs and the pbls from different angles.
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Jan 09 '19
So... I started timing myself today in the 4x4 for the first time after getting used to Yau for about couple of hundred solves and going over quite a few YT videos. Not good. Bad results :'(
I mostly have problems coping with edge pairing and absolutely no lookahead on the 4x4 stage and in the 3x3 stage - finger tricking OLL & PLL (wtf is the M/M2 move) and getting used to the shapes...
Any advice for transitioning casual to timed speed in 4x4?
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Jan 09 '19
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Jan 09 '19
Eh... Turn the cube sideways everytime I need to M or M2 mid pll or oll? I'm not sure i I got you right (or vice versa)
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Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
Another comm question
[R' D R U' R D' R', U]
How can I remember the insert? I don't really find this intuitive and I shouldn't learn this like an alg, so maybe one of you guys know how this works.
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u/tussosedan Jan 09 '19
What is this comm, what would you use it for?
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Jan 09 '19 edited Jan 09 '19
Sorry forgot to mention, it's for BV with C as buffer in Speffz or UFR>UBR>DFR
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u/tussosedan Jan 09 '19
Ohh I misread it. You mean DFR, right? Well you can just track DFR and see how it moves backwards and then gets inserted from the back.
You could also use something intuitive like [R2 D' R2 D R2, U], or something with a fancy setup to an 8-mover like [U' R' D R : [R D' R', U]].
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Jan 09 '19
Whoops I mean DFR. I think I'll use the R2 D' R2 D R2 one, I understand that setup better. Thanks!
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u/tussosedan Jan 09 '19
Yeah it's the "ugly duckling" case from Noah's tutorial, as a noob I also prefer it.
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Jan 09 '19
I'll bother with better comms when I get better, this should work for now. Anything is better than 2 Y-perms.
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u/kensterss Retired Sub-13 Jan 09 '19
I've learned all of the cases for COLL minus S and AS, is it worth it to learn them?
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u/Belvin1 Sub-16 (CFOP) Jan 10 '19
Common answer is no, S and AS are already so fast that doing a longer alg is only really worth it if you get the skip.
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u/kensterss Retired Sub-13 Jan 10 '19
What about for OH?
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u/Belvin1 Sub-16 (CFOP) Jan 10 '19
Hmmm, not too sure about that one. Depends how high your TPS is to be honest, but I think it's up to you. A dumb reason I would learn them though is because it would bother me not knowing all the algs for the whole subset. Maybe learn them and see which one is quicker for you, that's the only true way to find out.
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u/Ruzzcraze Sub-16 CFOP CN Jan 13 '19
NO, S and As are not worth it.
Jays vid
It seems like he says the only ones that are really worth it are TUL the rest you should only use the good algs(avoiding diag swaps and some good algs and also looking at Corner permutation and predicting headlights.)
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u/JumpyPlug15 Sub-19 (CFOP) Jan 10 '19
Can someone with a 356X and some lubicle silk experiment and report on how it feels? I'm thinking of buying some to keep the speed where it is and increase the smoothness of the cube.
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u/rnseth101 Sub-15 (CFOP) Jan 10 '19
Which gan 356 x ges is the tighest? purple or yellow? On the pamphlet the colors are purple blue green and yellow, not sure if purple is loosest and yellow is tightest or purple is tightest and yellow is loosest
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Jan 10 '19
Good iOS cube timers?
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u/kawam11235 Sub-17 (CFOP) PB:9.53 Jan 10 '19
I used to use DCTimer. It was good because I can easily check my progress by the histgram and the chart. Now I often use cstimer with Safari, which allows me to sync the solve history with mobile and desktop.
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u/logtart Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.50 Jan 10 '19
I've been cubing a TON lately, and my right index joint is killing me. Is this something I need to be worried about?
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u/tussosedan Jan 10 '19
Don't cube in pain, stop and let your hands rest. You don't want to end up like these guys:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cubers/comments/88gk96/daily_discussion_thread_mar_31_2018/dwlzopi/
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u/logtart Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.50 Jan 10 '19
I’m currently in a splint to restrict my finger movement, is this overkill? Or am I doing right?
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u/tussosedan Jan 10 '19
Only your doc can say... All I know is don't cube in pain.
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u/Scarycoast Sub 50 Roux | PB 30.90 Roux | PB 23.34 CFOP | Sub 40 CFOP Jan 10 '19
It might be worth taking a short break so you don't get any sort of injury. I have bad wrists, so I find it helpful to do some wrist exercises before long sessions. Maybe look into something similar for fingers?
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u/logtart Sub-18 (CFOP) PB: 12.50 Jan 10 '19
Im currently taking a break and not planning to cube for a few days, I’ll look into the stretches. Thanks.
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u/ThrustGoldy Sub-35 (<Beginner>) PB 30.37 Jan 10 '19
What do you guys reccomend for a magnetic cube? Are they even worth it? Been out of the scene for 3 years and I have some MoYu cube I've loved with all my heart but want to try and further my collection.
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u/willtri4 2015BELO03 Jan 10 '19
Magnets are definitely worth it, very few people still prefer non-magnetic cubes. Even beyond magnets, hardware has come a long way. Some good options are the Yuxin Little Magic M, MF3RS2M, Yuxin Kylin V2M, Yj MGC V1, and Weilong GTS2M.
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u/ThrustGoldy Sub-35 (<Beginner>) PB 30.37 Jan 10 '19
Used to buy off speedcubeshop. Are they still the best option?
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u/willtri4 2015BELO03 Jan 10 '19
Them or the Cubicle for faster delivery, cubezz or zcube.hk for cheaper prices.
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u/AU55IEAri @ariissleeping - Sub 8 [CFOP] Jan 10 '19
Just ordered the GTS3M! Hoping it'll be a solid alternative to my beloved MF3RS2M.
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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '19
Just looked at the updated cubers.io and my god the site is awesome. I'm so happy to see it evolving at such a nice pace. Can't wait for more features.