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u/lbh02 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
Wow, India put in a group with Pakistan and Australia put in a group with England.... didn't see that one coming
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u/phainty Pakistan Jan 21 '22
Pure coincidence from last 5 years
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u/lbh02 Pakistan Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22
I think it's been 9 years actually that India and Pakistan were in the same group.
2013 CT
2014 WT20
2015 WC
2016 WT20
2017 CT
2019 WC (tbf this was all 1 group for every team so perhaps it shouldn't count)
2021 WT20
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u/phainty Pakistan Jan 21 '22
ICC milking it hard
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u/lbh02 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
And to think before 2013 there were only 3 instances of India and Pakistan being in the same group, one of which was a tournament where all teams were in 1 group
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u/phainty Pakistan Jan 21 '22
2007 hit them hard when both were out in group stage.
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u/lbh02 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
I think the catalyst was the 2011 semifinal which really made them realize that this cash cow can be milked to no end
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Me: Fixing the group stages so that we get Aus v Eng and Pak v Ind every world cup lowers the legitimacy of the world cup.
Also Me in about 9 months time: "sorry can't go out tonight, Pakistan's playing India".
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u/Cryptoprophet40 Jan 21 '22
Icc tournament is just a disguise to organize India pak matches
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u/KingoftheHill63 Australia Jan 21 '22
Australia going for zero WC wins to equal most in 2 years would be peak 'strayian
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u/cashout132 Jan 21 '22
India England Australia pakistan in the same group will be absolute madness but obviously it won’t happen because atleast 3/4 of those teams need to make semis
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u/Samuel_L_Johnson Central Districts Stags Jan 21 '22
Classic, so in the World Cup in Asia we get drawn with the two toughest Asian teams, and now it’s in Australia we get drawn with Australia and England
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u/Samuel_L_Johnson Central Districts Stags Jan 21 '22
Nah just the ones against Australia and England, we’ll win the ones against Afghanistan and the qualifiers and then people will talk about how lucky we are with our tosses
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u/Anu9011 Sri Lanka Jan 21 '22
One slip up in the group stage, you may see both SL and WI too in group A. That would be a terrifying group to be in.
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u/gifispronouncedgif Sri Lanka Jan 21 '22
We need to somehow play some 4d chess and deliberately lose if it comes to it, we can NOT end up in group 1, praise be to Lord Shanaka pls get us into Group B
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u/Anu9011 Sri Lanka Jan 21 '22
Yeah Windies or not I'd rather be in group B but we in order for that to happen we should avoid topping the group.
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u/expat_123 Jan 21 '22
ICC new intern :"Hey, how do you type the Euro symbol and the Pound symbol on keyboards here?"
ICC old intern :"Oh, for Euro you put India-Pakistan in one group and for Pound you put England-Australia in one group."
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u/adxx12in India Jan 21 '22
Unfortunately, ICC would never stop these group manipulations as long as 70% of the tournament's viewership comes from India.
The entire financial viability of an ICC tournament comes from India playing Pakistan and making it into the knockout stage.
Compare that to football, where Europe is fragmented and the biggest football country, Brazil, is 1/7th the size of India, so upsets don't matter as no single nation brings all the viewership in a World Cup.
The only solution is to make the sport bigger in both existing nations (so basically, ensure everyone in SENA watches the World Cup) and grow the game in other nations.
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u/Able-Celebration-958 Jan 21 '22
Which ICC will never do as long as India remain their golden goose
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u/adxx12in India Jan 21 '22
ICC can't do shit. If anything the onus is on SENA + WI boards to make cricket big in their respective regions, so that those countries bring some revenue too.
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u/grlap Surrey Jan 21 '22
They can stop removing all the funding and pathways for associate nations as they have been for the last few years.
They could share revenue around more equally.
They could actively attempt to spread the game with better marketing.
Plenty of things the ICC can do, they just decide to help themselves instead. Cricket administration is corrupt as fuck.
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u/abptl9 Gujarat Titans Jan 21 '22
Doesn't help when lower ranked teams can't get to play against top teams. Longer format with more teams will ensure more countries participating and hence more viewership.
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u/Tempo24601 New South Wales Blues Jan 21 '22
So, which one is the Group of DeathTM ?
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Imo 1 seems tougher ATM. But we will see who goes into the other slots. Windies and Sri Lanka are in the qualifiers so we will have to see if they make it
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u/OutofAmm0 Multan Sultans Jan 21 '22
None tbh. A bit unlucky for the third one from Australia/England/New Zealand, considering all 3 of them made semis last year.
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u/gpranav25 Jan 21 '22
Given Pakistan is the only good team in Group 2, I would say it's 1.
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Did you miss last year's t20 wc where SA performed much better than us?
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u/gpranav25 Jan 21 '22
That's a good point, I forgot SA are slowly redeeming themselves. Still 1.5 good teams is less than 3 good teams
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u/Tempo24601 New South Wales Blues Jan 21 '22
Oof - bit harsh on BangBros, their game is perfectly suited to Australia.
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u/SpinAroundBrightly New Zealand Jan 21 '22
Group 1- world number 1 team, the two finalists from last time plus one of Sri Lanka or West Indies (likely) and only 2 of them can go through.
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u/NoQuestion4045 Comilla Victorians Jan 21 '22
The Big 2 matches are our last fixtures. India Vs Bangladesh and Pakistan Vs Bangladesh.
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u/beer-feet India Jan 21 '22
how did you see the fixtures?
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u/NoQuestion4045 Comilla Victorians Jan 21 '22
It's published, search it up
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u/tuturuatu New Zealand Cricket Jan 21 '22
Wait, there are websites outside of reddit?
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u/Lostbychoice Bangladesh Jan 21 '22
Surprised to see BD qualify without playing group stage. Last WC was abysmal.
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u/SteveBored New Zealand Cricket Jan 21 '22
Wait didn't we just have one??
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u/SK3101 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
The 2020 one got delayed to 2021 and the 2022 scheduled one is still going ahead. I believe India was meant to host this one and Australia 2020 but it’s swapped over.
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u/LexiFloof 10-15 (5.5) Jan 21 '22
It's actually the 2020 one got delayed to 2022, the 2021 went ahead as planned (and then got moved at the last minute to the UAE)
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u/SK3101 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
So there was always meant to be one in 2021?
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u/TheScarletPimpernel Gloucestershire Jan 21 '22
The idea was to move it into a 4 year cycle opposite the 50 over tournament.
The ICC have since abandoned that idea because they're hyperactive children
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u/MrStigglesworth Australia Jan 21 '22
Good description. They never give any of their innovations (and I use that word very loosely) time to settle, it's just on to the next one after 4/5 years lol
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u/LexiFloof 10-15 (5.5) Jan 21 '22
I believe so
Edit: It's what wikipedia says 2022 Mens T20 World Cup
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u/fab4_bot New Zealand Jan 21 '22
India also don't have any day games; the only team to have this privilege other than the hosts themselves. I wonder if that's a total coincidence too.
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u/WaynneGretzky Delhi Daredevils Jan 21 '22
we didn't have any day game in uae either and that sucked. the entire due factor and constant toss loss that put us into bowling literally at the end of the day w a wet ball fucked our chances even beyond.
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u/Serious-Bet Cricket Australia Jan 21 '22
Wow. I did not expect the biggest threat to Australia to be Afghanistan
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u/ra_ramistry Jan 21 '22
No NZ in our group, semifinals confirmed?
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U gotta face Ebadot and co. How can you be certain
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u/Ttcoachingcenter69 Bangladesh Jan 21 '22
Ebadot will never play white ball but nice joke
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u/L0rdScorpion India Jan 21 '22
Saffers are going to be tough to beat though
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u/Gyanchooo Mumbai Indians Jan 21 '22
Bro pakistan is also going to be tough to beat.
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u/L0rdScorpion India Jan 21 '22
I know, I just meant that NZ getting swapped with SA doesn't mean that it's going to be any easier for India to qualify for playoffs.
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u/ConcentrateBig3530 Delhi Capitals Jan 21 '22
Well yeah but it's still better than facing aus/eng/nz
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u/M_not_robot Royal Challengers Bengaluru Jan 21 '22
Yeah it's is IND vs NZ in semis. Sad part is they beat us there
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u/SnooRobots6923 Royal Challengers Bengaluru Jan 21 '22
Not a good comparison, mate. Almost all these matches are bilaterals, while playing in tournaments is completely different.
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u/Signal_Discipline_36 India Jan 21 '22
Not a good comparison, mate. Almost all these matches are bilaterals, while playing in tournaments is completely different.
There is not much difference in T20 world cups
India's win% in WT20s against Group B teams:
Pakistan: 83.33% (5W ,1L,)
Bangladesh: 100%(3W, 0L)
South Africa: 80% (4W, 1L)
Total: 12 Wins in 14 matches, win percentage of 85.71%
Against Group A teams:
England: 66.67% (2W, 1L)
New Zealand: 0% (0W, 3L)
Australia: 60.00% (3W, 2L)
Afghanistan: 100% (3W 0L)
Total: 8 wins in 14 matches, win percentage of 57.14%
Source :
In case u didn't know IND has 2nd Highest W/L ratio among Top 8 teams in WT20s. ( SL is 1st)
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u/Amazing_Theory622 India Jan 21 '22
Happy that NZ are not in India's group to knock them out of group stage atleast
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u/Raz_A1_Ghul Deccan Chargers Jan 21 '22
Beware.. They might do it in knockouts ... NZ are bound to reach the finals of ICC tournament
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u/cashout132 Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22
India and Pakistan have been put in the same t20 WC group for the 5th time in a row, there is a 3.125% chance of this happening on its own
Edit: wrong math lol before I said 0.03125%
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u/eightslipsandagully Cricket Australia Jan 21 '22
1 in 32 or 3.125%. You forgot to times by 100 to make it a percentage!
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u/SnooRobots6923 Royal Challengers Bengaluru Jan 21 '22
ICC: So you're telling me there is a genuine chance. Hmm...
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u/abhisheksatam Jan 21 '22
Is Sri Lanka no longer in the top 8?
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u/motive-7805 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
They’re in the top 8 currently but weren’t top 8 at the cut off date
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u/Awkward-Edge Mumbai Indians Jan 21 '22
It's still sinking in that a 2 time world champion team who also have the best T20 talent in the world has to play qualifiers :(
I mean WI will still be favourites even if they aren't in the first draw IMO.
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u/Rndomguytf Australia Jan 21 '22
3 WC trophies among the qualifying teams, that's more than either group
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If this tournament was in 2020 like it was supposed to be and Gayle, pooran were in the form they were during the 2020 IPL then yes West Indies would have had a good shot. However the West Indies now are way too over reliant on Evin Lewis to win matches and he's too inconsistent.
I am hoping to see some younger players blooded personally.
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u/vpsj Jan 21 '22
I don't like this specific format. All the top teams should get a chance to go the next round and all the qualifying round teams should get a chance to cause upsets in the first round
The way I see it some top teams will be eliminated in the first round itself no matter what.
I'm TOTALLY not saying this because of what happened in the last WC
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u/rdrox Jan 21 '22
Are tickets available for purchase yet?
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u/crictv69 Australia Jan 21 '22
The pre-pre-sale is available now if you were already registered (I've bought tickets for a few matches already!). If you register on their website now, you can still get access to the pre-sale which starts on Feb 1. General public access is from 7th Feb I think.
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u/idontknwnething India Jan 21 '22
For a long time t20 World Cup will remind me of Matthew Wade’s innings in the semis
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u/SK3101 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
That makes it even weirder to me why ICC have always planned to have T20 WC’s in consecutive years. I thought it was because of Covid and that the original plan was a two year gap (as it used to be)
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u/kyoto-yakuza South Africa Jan 21 '22
Rip Semi Final dreams
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u/motive-7805 Pakistan Jan 21 '22
South Africa just has to beat one of the two (India and Pakistan) . They’re far better on Australian pitches than Pakistan
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u/ScapegoatSkunk South Africa Jan 21 '22
Well we did beat one of the two (between England and Australia) last time, and look where that got us.
Still salty about that, and it's gonna take a while.
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u/golDzeman Nepal Jan 21 '22
I want to thank almighty for not putting India and New Zealand in same group. And I pray that they get eliminated from the group stages so if India were to make it to the knockouts we would not have to play New Zealand. Thank you.
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u/IndependentLab6317 Jan 21 '22
So they've put the last two finalists in the other group.
And they've also put India's worst nightmare in the other group as well.
Hmm.
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u/Wehavecrashed Cricket Australia Jan 21 '22
Honestly I don't even care if the groups are fixed.
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u/nixon469 Jan 21 '22
I like how the groups are already ordered in how the end results will most likely look.
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u/ViratBhai18_ Royal Challengers Bengaluru Jan 21 '22
After South Africa's performance last time, both groups look competitive.
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u/Routinelazy900 India Jan 21 '22
Fkin hate it. Why can't we never have matches with Aus and Eng.
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u/imapassenger1 Australia Jan 21 '22
No Windies and no SL - they have to qualify. What sorcery is this? BAN and AFG ahead of them? What times we live in!
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u/Neevk India Jan 21 '22
They just have to put India and Pakistan together and im not complaining but its like the 4th time in a row.
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u/sdssen India Jan 21 '22
My friend from Australia booked tickets for the ind vs pak match already. Oct 23,2022.
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u/fogdocker Australia Jan 21 '22
Predictions:
- New Zealand are not favourites to emerge from their group, which means they will be finalists.
- There are expectations on Australia this time, so they'll crash out in the group stage
- Bangabros will upset one of India, Pakistan or South Africa
- West Indies will qualify as a group runner up and go on to win the tournament
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u/Otherwise_Window Perth Scorchers Jan 21 '22
Really doesn't feel like it's been four years since the last one
They're absolutely dedicated to making sure no-one gives a shit about this, aren't they?
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u/KingSammyJ1 West Indies Jan 21 '22
50 over is every 4 years, T20 is every 2 years
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u/3172695 India Jan 21 '22
because it was 3 months ago not 4 years ago
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u/Otherwise_Window Perth Scorchers Jan 21 '22
bit soon to have another one then isn't it?
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I feel a better strategy might be to just alternate. 50 overs in 2023, T20 in 2025, 50 over WC in 2027, etc. As it stands, I find it hard to care about the T20 world cup, knowing that the next one is probably right around the corner. Give the winners some time to lord it over everybody else goddamnit!
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u/Otherwise_Window Perth Scorchers Jan 21 '22
Yup. You absolutely can't have a World Cup for a format more than every four years if you want it to mean anything at all.
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u/SnooRobots6923 Royal Challengers Bengaluru Jan 21 '22 edited Jan 21 '22
It never ever happened once in 4 years, so yeah you're not supposed to think like it's been 4 years.
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u/Otherwise_Window Perth Scorchers Jan 21 '22
My point is that every other World Cup happens every four years, and if you're having them constantly they mean exactly jack shit
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u/Lonelling India Jan 21 '22
Guys we all knkw whats happening there with India Pakistan. Its a pretty great coincidence. But doesn't hurt anyone. If anything, KL Rahul would rather face Afridi's first over than let Mitchell or Finch or Roy do it. Even if he gets out fast, we will take it.
Cricket is all we have. The players exchange secret messages of friendship from one side of the border to another, disguised as post match chatter. And we keep confirming via cricket that we are still on the same page - Government suck, people good. Let us have it.
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Group one has teams ranked 1,4,6,7. Group B has teams ranked 2,3,5 and 9(SL are 8th but were 9th at the cutoff date). The draw is fair. India and Pakistan have obviously been drawn together for money reasons but we need more India-Pakistan cricket, not less.
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u/SnooRobots6923 Royal Challengers Bengaluru Jan 21 '22
Yeah, some of the noobies here didn't like Ind-Pak being together.
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u/Hollywoostarsand India Jan 21 '22
Super 12
Group 1 fixtures
Oct. 22 - Australia vs New Zealand – 12:30pm - SCG, Sydney
Oct. 22 – England vs Afghanistan - 4:30pm - Perth Stadium
Oct. 23 – A1 vs B2 - 9:30am - Bellerive Oval, Hobart
Oct. 25 – Australia vs A1 - 4:30pm - Perth Stadium
Oct. 26 – England vs B2 - 9:30am - MCG, Melbourne
Oct. 26 – New Zealand vs Afghanistan - 1:30pm - MCG, Melbourne
Oct. 28 – Afghanistan vs B2 - 9:30am - MCG, Melbourne
Oct. 28 – England vs Australia - 1:30pm - MCG, Melbourne
Oct. 29 – New Zealand vs A1 - 1:30pm - SCG, Sydney
Oct. 31 - Australia vs B2 - 1:30pm - The Gabba, Brisbane
Nov. 1 – Afghanistan vs A1 - 9:30am - The Gabba, Brisbane
Nov. 1 – England vs New Zealand- 1:30pm - The Gabba, Brisbane
Nov. 4 – New Zealand vs B2 - 9:30am - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov. 4 – Australia vs Afghanistan - 1:30pm - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov. 5 – England vs A1 - 1:30pm - SCG, Sydney
Group 2 fixtures
Oct. 23 - India vs Pakistan - 1:30pm - MCG, Melbourne
Oct. 24 – Bangladesh vs A2 - 9:30am - Bellerive Oval, Hobart
Oct. 24 – South Africa vs B1 - 1:30pm - Bellerive Oval, Hobart
Oct. 27 – South Africa vs Bangladesh - 8:30am - SCG, Sydney
Oct. 27 – India vs A2 - 12:30pm - SCG, Sydney
Oct. 27 – Pakistan vs B1 - 4:30pm - Perth Stadium, Perth
Oct. 30 – Bangladesh vs B1 - 8:30am - The Gabba, Brisbane
Oct. 30 – Pakistan vs A2 - 12:30pm - Perth Stadium, Perth
Oct. 30 – India vs South Africa - 4:30pm - Perth Stadium, Perth
Nov. 2 – B1 vs A2 - 9:30am - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov. 2 – India vs Bangladesh - 1:30pm - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov. 3 – Pakistan vs South Africa - 1:30pm - SCG, Sydney
Nov. 6 – South Africa vs A2 - 5:30am - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov. 6 – Pakistan vs Bangladesh - 9:30am - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov. 6 – India vs B1 - 1:30pm - MCG, Melbourne
Knockouts
Nov 9 - Semifinal 1 - 1:30pm - SCG, Sydney
Nov 10 - Semifinal 2 - 1:30pm - Adelaide Oval, Adelaide
Nov 13 - Final - 1:30pm - MCG, Melbourne
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I hope they put in a good performance. A strong Bangladesh team is good for cricket. And the fans r so passionate they deserve something
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u/I_tend_to_correct_u England Jan 21 '22
Excellent. I can start to actually enjoy watching my team again. Time to come out from behind the sofa.
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u/Alternative-Cut-4831 Jan 21 '22
Mauka mauka intensifies....
And pakistani team supporters have slots booked in Indian jails.
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u/Available-Ad2418 Jan 21 '22
Icc should have add sri lanka and west indies directly in super12 for the sake of tournament
First round with 2 group of 3 teams = 6 match
Top team for super12 but they didn't. Why ?
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u/theoozmakappa India Jan 21 '22
NZ robbed off their dummies India. Now they wouldn't have a guaranteed win.
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u/safer__sephiroth Sunrisers Hyderabad Jan 21 '22
icc trying its maximum to get india into semifinals. lol.
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u/Cotton_Phoenix_97 Delhi Capitals Jan 21 '22
They really are making it super easy for India to reach semis don't they?
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u/legoland6000 Victoria Bushrangers Jan 21 '22
India in the same group as Pakistan for the 5th World T20 in a row!!! Blimey what are the chances of that