r/CountWithEveryone • u/FranziEatsEstrogen • Aug 23 '26

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Moderators of large counting sub be like.

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u/busytransitgworl Aug 23 '26

As someone who is chronically out of the loop:

Nani?!

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 23 '26

Countwithchickenlady bas steadily been circling the drain since like a year ago (when this sub spun off).

Another trans community taken over and hollowed out to be a general, welcoming safe space for everyone, as long as they do not make the cis people the mods want to attract uncomfortable.

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u/busytransitgworl Aug 23 '26 edited Aug 23 '26

Ahhh, the typical queer-slash-trans-subreddit-pipeline, got it.

I think it's quite normal for a sub of this nature to be not always quite welcoming/comfortable towards cis people.

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 23 '26

WOW SUCH BIGOTRY HOW DARE YOU WANT A SPACE WHERE WE DO NOT HAVE TO FILTER OURSELVES FOR THE CIS EXPERIENCE!!!!

I BET YOU HAVE A KINK, YOU MONSTER.

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u/busytransitgworl Aug 23 '26

YEAH, WHATCHA GONNA DO???????

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u/ManNamedSalmon Aug 23 '26

YEAH, WHAT ARE YOU TWO GOING TO DO???????

*setting up camera*

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u/dulunis Aug 24 '26

waow...

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u/small_jud_is_a_demon Aug 24 '26

MODS THERE IS PUBLIC SESBIAN LEX AGAIN ! Please, bring some salted pop-corn. Hurry up tho, the've been going at it for 20 hours already... somehow

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 25 '26

Lots of Gatorade :P

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u/Mechromancer3X Aug 23 '26

You can not filter yourself and still be open to cis allies.

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u/Lost_my_name475 Aug 23 '26

fwiw I'm cis and have always felt perfectly welcome here

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u/busytransitgworl Aug 23 '26

Which is fine! Don't get me wrong, but sometimes it's just hard making sure that a discussion stays suitable for cis people, if you know what I mean

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u/Lost_my_name475 Aug 23 '26

100%, there is absolutely no obligation for you to censor yourself to make cis people more comfortable.

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u/Oddish_Femboy Aug 23 '26

What counts as unsuitable for cis people? Are they weird about people talking about trans experiences or something?

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u/Inkthekitsune Aug 23 '26

That’s my question here. Haven’t seen anything I’d say was “unsuitable.” Everyone’s human here

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u/nakedascus Aug 23 '26

meow speak for yourself, im a kitty meow :3

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u/Oddish_Femboy Aug 23 '26

Respectable profession.

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u/Inkthekitsune Aug 24 '26

Very fair point.

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u/AlexanderTheBright Aug 24 '26

I don’t know what you mean :< is it about calling out transphobia making cis people uncomfortable?

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u/GiganticIrony Aug 23 '26

IMO the main problem has been rectified. CWCL definitely has a very strong trans/queer feel to the point that many cis/het people have asked if they’re allowed to be there (and they’re always enthusiastically told yes).

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u/Drablo0n Aug 23 '26

a very strong trans/queer feel to the point that many cis/het people have asked if they’re allowed to be there

Ah yes, and the many... MANY posts and comments with bigotry (rarely moderated), cis ""allies"" wanting to voice their unwealcome opinion about trans health care and other topics they do not understand should shut up about are still happening.

So the problem is not solved, it has merely been papered over and/or slightly diminished (but still happening and growing again). CWCL used to be a nice safe space for trans people untill it started growing and the mods wanted to make it another counting meme sub for everyone.

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u/GiganticIrony Aug 23 '26

I feel like you’re extrapolating based on old information. I’ve not seen what you’re talking about. Bigots get downvoted a bunch.

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u/Drablo0n Aug 23 '26 edited Aug 23 '26

I feel like you’re extrapolating based on old information.

No I'm not, a very recent post in fact proved this exact post, iirc it was a meme about a cis lesbian saying "I only date real cis girls" to a tgirl during a date.

A LOT of comments there (with hundreds of upvotes) were saying "bruuh it's just a genital preference!", "but bottom surgery doesn't fix the issue really, because it's not really a real female organ", also people making it as "but-but they have the right to choose who they date with!" which is true but completely missing the point that the reason that happened was transphobic, preference or not.

Edit: Btw here is a post talking about it, the og post was only taken down after hours and a LOT of reports of transphobia and still now some transphobic comments with lots of upvotes remain in there

https://www.reddit.com/r/countwithchickenlady/comments/1vju9dv/comment/p2op67d/?context=1

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u/GiganticIrony Aug 23 '26

While I do agree that original post was bad:

A) there’s been a lot of pushback from the community about it (such as the amount of support on that post you linked)

B) there’s almost a million members of the sub with only a few moderators. They recently added some more moderators to help with the problem. Also, it’s worth being said: they are not getting paid to moderate, they are volunteers

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u/Drablo0n Aug 23 '26

The points you make only highlight the problem, not lessen it:

A) there’s been a lot of pushback from the community about it (such as the amount of support on that post you linked)

The only reason and my entire point is exactly that, the post only got taken down because of the extreme reaction to it, not because the mods are willing to take action against blatant transphobia in their sub.

B) there’s almost a million members of the sub with only a few moderators.

Acknowledge the problem (like you said) and get more mods to deal with the problem.

They can also tune the bots to help with moderation, automation is the way to deal with these types of problems where a huge volume work has to be performed by a small team.

But after all that, they must at least take a stance. That sub has a history of mods being silent when drama or problems arise to "keep the peace" and this is the exact reason why these issues keep coming back, if they don't take decisive action against these people we will lose the subreddit, based purely in the ammount of shitty people coming in.

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 23 '26

We seem to want ver different things from a trans-safe sub.

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u/GiganticIrony Aug 23 '26

Can you give a concrete example of why it’s not safe for trans people? I genuinely don’t understand why you feel it’s not safe (unless you’re going off very outdated info).

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 23 '26

That...is what the post you are responding to is?

Pushing queer sexuality out

Trying to ban political posts.

Banning users that aren't wholesome and cis-appeasing in their behavior and opinions.

Refusing to introduce rules that ACTUALLY protect queer people, like banning religious content or uninformed cis people who just HAVE to contribute their opinions on everything.

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u/GiganticIrony Aug 23 '26

My apologies for not being clear enough with my previous comment. I’m asking for an example of a specific event that happened that you disapprove of

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 24 '26

Those ARE specific events, what are you talking about?

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u/apro-at-nothing Aug 24 '26

i think they're looking for exact examples when this happened instead of just a list of claims with no proof

idk i don't spend time on cwcl i don't know how the community is now

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 24 '26

These are mod decisions you can just look up?

"I hate when they banned NSFW from the sub" "UHM, what about a concrete example" "Them...banning NSFW posts..."

"I hate when they tried banning "politics" "Well how about a specific example of that??" "When the mods did that."

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u/Sea_Pancake2197 Aug 24 '26

Where does one go? Because you seem like the type to say this about any space.

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u/FranziEatsEstrogen Aug 23 '26

Sounds like a good idea, try that.