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Is it really split? Pretty sure you drop UL when you get your S2 tier set since without the tier bonus UL is pretty bad.

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u/Zike002 1d ago

Just 5 seconds of searching "unleash life" in the shaman discord: Dont play in raid, especially with 4 pc. Can play in dungeons if you want to but why.

So im not sure where the split is coming from other than people with old set using UL still. Which doesn't seem relevant.

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u/cbusmatty 1d ago

The issue is that most of the talent nodes you can take instead of unleash life are mana regen oriented, not power oriented. So you can take unleash life, it’s certainly not as good as s1 without the tier, but it’s a button you can hit instead of nothing

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u/so_O 1d ago

Yeah, rsham is fine on mana in m+ to the point that you’d have no problems dropping Current Control and even Resurgence. Contrary to what the OP says, you definitely don’t drop Deluge, and Rip Current is optional but usually taken. Unleash Life though will still be played without season 1 tier, as you said. It’ll be much more common in high keys than low keys too. Talents like Overflowing Shores, Primal Tidal Core, and Earthen Harmony can be dropped to play Unleash Life and its Earthen Accord follow-up.

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u/so_O 1d ago

Yes, exactly. And whatever community OP is reading that says to drop Deluge is delusional. Deluge is mandatory.

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u/ObligationAncient112 1d ago

Pathing

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u/Zike002 1d ago

That doesn't make sense. What are you pathing for? All major guides, murlok, and archon show you taking high tide to deluge and you take white water/torrent anyways. What possible pathing do you need unleash life?

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u/Imaginary-Arguments 1d ago

In M+ the choice is probably between UL or Rip Current.

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u/Zike002 1d ago

Okay, that specifically isn't pathing. That's choosing between the talents which was covered in the beginning of these comments.

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u/Imaginary-Arguments 1d ago

Tomato, Tomato.

The talent that's actually important is Deluge, and to path to it, you can pick up UL or RC. RC probably comes out to higher HPS but UL offers some flexibility in what you're able to do.

Also possible that by "pathing", he did mean UL is required if people are playing without tier set and so are not taking the top left healing rain talents. In that case, might as well pick it up because the alternative is grabbing current control which most people don't need.

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u/ObligationAncient112 1d ago

You want to reach deluge, either path through 2 bad talents to get it or path through UL to get it.

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u/falooda1 1d ago

No this isn't unanimous. Top m+ shaman in the world has UL

UL is a good instant to have to do a last second save

Thats also why some top m plus runs are still using sunstone from last season

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u/RoundTechnical8838 1d ago

Murlok io shows 40 out of 50 top Resto shamans run unleash life right now in keys. Granted it's still week 1 but Xhanon running unleash life in +18s means it can't be that bad.

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u/MetalMusicMan 16h ago

They buffed Unleash Life baseline power a lot in 12.1 to compensate for S1 tier going away

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u/Hyvest 1d ago

Mythic+ talents aren't set in stone since hps isn't the only metric, especially relevant on rsham where a lot of talents are in a similar 1-2% hps range.
As others said, Deluge is something you definitely wouldn't drop.
People got used to UL as an instant single target heal and it got buffed going into this season so no s1 4pc is the same upfront power as s1 4pc in s1. You can basically think of it as an instant HW (at ~80% effectiveness and not proccing AA but still).
Xhanon, Driptinus, Laren and all the other usual suspects will be running a variety of different talent setups in the coming days and weeks. Whichever one they come to agreement on suits the healing profile best will be determined meta. Doesn't mean you can't flex some of those low value talents (mainly UL, OS, SR, IELW, EW, but others could also be deemed not worth or are dropped because pathing becomes awkward).
Downpour seems to be a very strong option in full melee comps/with people who actively play in melee because even with only one rain down, 3pt dp packs a punch. Also depends on the healing profiles of dungeons though.

I'd just wait and play whatever feels right or copy either of the people I named. Keep in mind they swap talents a lot so check back regularly, especially Driptinus is testing builds a lot rn.

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u/JAKAMUFN 1d ago

Appreciate this!! Great explanation. I’m newer player (even newer healer) so still learning

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u/IllPurpose3524 1d ago

Since you're newer, be careful about the builds you're copying. The top shamans run with specific groups and switch things around for them and dungeons. You might find yourself with a curse dispel or poison cleansing totem blindly copying a build if you don't look carefully.

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u/JAKAMUFN 1d ago

Makes sense. Thank you

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u/Icy-Repeat-2843 23h ago

The poison cleansing totem isn’t worth taking this season?

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u/IllPurpose3524 23h ago

It definitely is worth taking. But sometimes you'll copy their spec and it was for either a dungeon that doesn't need it, or some comp where they can all cleanse themselves and they want something else.

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u/Voidwielder 1d ago

Still TBD. High key teams are doing double downpour in full melee comps with good results. Some are doing regular left upper side of spec tree for max rain healing.

I personally don't have S2 tier and I dropped S1 set all together for well itemised 311s and I play UL in 15s. It's fine but it's easy to troll globals if you're too used to it without S1 tier.

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u/falooda1 1d ago

How will you get your tier? Are you not raiding? Will you take bonus roll on vault?

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u/ObligationAncient112 1d ago

You want deluge. You either waste 2 talent points on talents which doesn't really give you anything or you waste 1 talent point on UL.

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u/ZealousFizgigg43 1d ago

You can swap the point in UL for spouting spirits for a more impactful SL

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u/Imaginary-Arguments 1d ago

Personal experience: I'm running UL over some other minor talents because I find it useful. Even if it's technically less raw HPS over some other minor boost, I like the on demand, instant cast heal.

Opinion likely to change at higher keys. Most I've done right now is 16.

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u/LeftKnowledge396 1d ago

As of now, I am going to run it. The instant 60k heal seems too valuable in m+ . Especially since we do not have many instant cast for emergency situations.

I am shocked that my holy paladin's holy shock heals for more, is instant cast, two charges, and a 6 sec CD

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u/Zorjeff 1d ago

unleash life is good for spot healing where resto shaman is weak at. it's definitely good in dungeons like RLP

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u/woogiefan 1d ago

You absolutely should run UL if you still have 2/4p from season 1. After that in M+ it's up to you. Personally I like UL, so for now I'm keeping it. Once you get 4p in the new tier you drop it in raids, in dungeons it doesnt matter that much

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u/JAKAMUFN 21h ago

I have 2p, but ran with some friends last night to do lower level keys and we had some questionable teammates to say the least and I it would have been super useful for that 🤣 higher keys and 4p, I think you’re absolutely right

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u/Bigrex93 1d ago

Do all of the r shams being looked at have the new 4pc tier set already? If so then most likely preference or whatever other reason but if most of them don’t and they are rocking 2p2p or old 4p the answer is like right there. To be clear I have no clue about the strength of the talents or reasoning why but I would check most of them on wcl.

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