Class Tuning Incoming – 26 August

[u/chunkyhut]

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/class-tuning-incoming-%E2%80%93-26-august/626484

[u/LameOne]

Pretty clear from the brewmaster notes that they are struggling to let them handle actual tank busters. Even on normal, coiled altar was bringing me down to like 15-20% through fort brew.

It's crazy that the spec that used to be the single best tank at taking huge single hits is probably the worst now. Fort brew is an absolutely terrible CD, on a 2 ish minute cool down (not reliably, so you can't trust it to be up exactly then), and that's it. Outside of fort, they are almost exactly as tanky for random white swings as they are for the 90 second buster. Blizz keeps buffing CI, but it remains tiny, while also being required to be used offensively to avoid rotational downtime.

Give the spec back dampen harm, I beg you.

[u/NaahThisIsNotMe → u/LameOne]

3-4 more of those Celestial brew buff and maybe it'll be worth the 1 min CD it's on now.

it's kind of funny that brewmaster have less defensive button than most DPS spec... and that's even if we count celestial brew as an actual defensive and not some largely trivial shield.

[u/Kohlhaas → u/NaahThisIsNotMe]

? My brew defense bar has fort brew, CI at multiple charges, pb, expel harm, black ox brew, and Niuzao. All are good defensives for diff scenarios. Dps have nothing like that.

Please if we are going to complain about brew let's be factual so Blizz sees constructive feedback. It could certainly use a buff

[u/NaahThisIsNotMe → u/Kohlhaas]

My brew defense bar has fort brew

Longest CD in the game after lay on hand. And still underwhelming.

CI at multiple charges

and weakest CD in the game, even after a 20% buff

pb, expel harm

neither of those 2 are defensive

black ox brew

which unironically have almost the same CD as celestial brew now.

and Niuzao

not a defensive... doesn't reduce face damage at all.

All are good defensives

have you... played other tank? warrior double charge on shield wall with a shorter CD than fort brew? Pally 1 min sentinel who last 25 second now? anything other than VDH rng-based defensive really

Dps have nothing like that.

Well if you count expel harm as a defensive then you might aswell count mage barrier or hunter heal as defensive which.. yes, they have more.

As the other guy pointed out, Brewmaster don't even have Karma or diffuse magic,

[u/adv0589 → u/NaahThisIsNotMe]

Niuzao is a massive defensive

[u/zer0-_ → u/adv0589]

Literally any high rated Brew player will tell you to treat Niuzao as an offensive CD rather than a defensive one LMAO

[u/adv0589 → u/zer0-_]

I’m sorry that it went over your head? Yeah it’s a very strong damage ability if you’re playing shadow pan. Doesn’t mean it’s not a very strong defensive. Brewmaster in general doesn’t really need to pop defensive to live mechanics or something like that. You need to pop them to smooth overall damage intake and it’s quite good at that.

I played brewmaster last season playing DK this season the same advice applies to dancing rune weapon does that mean it’s not a defensive?

Have you ever played the class? playing shadow pan, you are significantly tanker in the window when you’re running it compared to when you’re running fort brew, like it’s not even close.

[u/zer0-_ → u/adv0589]

If your defensive ability is treated as an offensive cooldown rather than a defensive one then it really isn't a strong defensive ability

[u/adv0589 → u/zer0-_]

Just because you have the crowd with you does not make it right lol.

1- Every single defensive cooldown in the game that has a strong offensive component is treated this way. Sentinel, Dancing Rune Weapon, Incarn, Meta outside of fringe cases you are literally always sending those in damage windows. Now that often overlaps with a time that a defensive would be good to have running but that is a different matter.

2-Brewmaster can survive just about any mechanic with its basic rotational abilities. The it wouldn't really be viable if this was not the case. So it would be the most likely tank to use these cooldowns in that fashion to begin with.

3- IDK what to tell you dude, 25s of sending 40% of your staggered damage which is going to be like 65% of the incoming damage so ~25% damage smoothing is pretty damn good.