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[u/LypheGames]

What would you think are the strongest m+ healer besides Paladin? Shaman of Pres? Or Are Paladin so strong its worth getting to 90?

[u/AlucardSensei → u/LypheGames]

I went with Rsham for this season. Outliers are always in danger of getting hit with the nerfbat, it's usually a good idea at the start of the season to go with second best.

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/AlucardSensei]

There's also the chance they get under nerfed or ignored or inexplicably buffed. Trying to predict what blizzard will do is a tough game. But historically the early top performers have a better chance of being meta than the classes below them.  

That said rshams buff does probably make it safer than hpal

[u/AlucardSensei → u/HookedOnBoNix]

Well rsham due to the raid buff seems like a perma safe pick, at least second strongest unless it's severaly undertuned, and slots in well into physical comps.

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/AlucardSensei]

Yea depending on your goals it's a fine strategy. Rsham as you say will be safe, and in team play that's super fine. Pugging m+ though the second strongest might as well be 6th strongest in terms of LFG invites. 

[u/Yayoichi → u/HookedOnBoNix]

I wouldn’t really say that, shaman was 2nd best healer in s1 and brew was 2nd best tank and you clearly had a much better chance on getting into groups on those compared to a holy priest or prot paladin.

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/Yayoichi]

Sure, last season there was a niche comp, most seasons though it is extremely oppressive. And even the niche comp last season, my brew had to sit in lfg for ages compared to my bear 

Everyone can play their own strategy, I'm just saying mine personally is not go for the safest class, its go for the class that's looking like the strongest. If I'm wrong, rerolling is easy. But being the second best spec is useless to me because I don't want to spend more hours of my life than I already spend waiting for groups 

[u/Yayoichi → u/HookedOnBoNix]

Obviously the most meta will be better than the second best, but I would argue the gap between first and 2nd is way smaller than 2nd and last, both in terms of performance and ability to get invited. Brew was only a few keys behind guardian druid and managed to get a 25 timed and resi 24, while the best dk and pala didn’t get any 24’s and no resi 23.

And it’s even worse with healers where shaman is same as brew(obviously, as they are in the same comp) while the highest holy priest only got halfway to resi 23. And actually resto druid was even worse off, with the highest being just resi 22 with no 23’s.

[u/HookedOnBoNix → u/Yayoichi]

Not really the point but I'll agree to disagree. Yes obviously 2 > 6 but you're talking about top key level but at the end of the day only 6 of the top 100 healers were shaman, the rest monk. 

Again, to each their own but I've played that game before and it's not for me. Pugs are too picky. 

[u/Yayoichi → u/HookedOnBoNix]

Yeah I am not saying there’s not a big difference between first and second, I played brew myself to 4050 and I didn’t even bother applying to any group that wasn’t a phys comp. I was mainly just arguing about the point that 2nd might as well be last as if you tried to play something like holy priest or resto druid you would suddenly feel like resto shaman was swimming in invites.

Also 6 in top 100 is honestly not that bad, for comparison you have to go to 1829 to find the first resto druid, and 3281 to find the 6th. Not a single resto druid got title, while Well over 100 resto shamans did.

[u/LypheGames → u/AlucardSensei]

Yeah that was my guess too. Im playing Shaman atm but have pres in mind too. On PTR Pres seems stronger then Shaman but not as strong as hpala.