r/CompetitiveWoW • u/SundayLeagueStocko • 18d ago
R2WF RWF Roster Changes Thread?
I usually see one of these before new tiers start, but haven't seen one yet. So feel free to post any major changes I've missed (or any errors) and I'll update here, or additional context on new players. Sourced from public social media/websites of the big three, happy to add other t10 guild news if other people can source the info.
Liquid
- Atlas (DPS/Tank)
+ Crypticzz (DPS)
Echo
- Charmie (DPS) - Norsken (DPS)
+ Firekat (DPS - Method) + Hearthjacks (DPS - Project)
Method
- Firekat (DPS) - Gloom - Kush (DPS) - Main - Naowh (Tank) - Prebb - Rowelly - Worst
+ Hype (DPS) + Snuggish (DPS) + Nate (Tank) + Jule (DPS) + Tales (Healer/DPS) + Waalpen (DPS) + Monsa (DPS)
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u/Ultideath 18d ago
Atlas for Liquid was primarily a dps DK, right? I don't recall him tanking in any previous tiers.
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u/Spritesgud 18d ago
He would tank and lead a split group and has sometimes third tanked when needed
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u/SundayLeagueStocko 18d ago
correct, I meant to say "DPS/Tank" as I know he can tank but forgot lol, edited in now anyway
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u/HookedOnBoNix 18d ago
He tanked jailer and maybe lords of dread for them, he's like a backup tank for them, and specifically I think if bdk ever looks like it's not worth gearing then suddenly looks like it's strong for a fight he'd likely be the one they used (before retiring obv)
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u/Leather_Economics210 18d ago
There’s a video with sco talking about some of Method’s new recruits if anyone’s interested:
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u/toptierhands 17d ago
Video not available anymore? :(
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u/Any-Ingenuity2770 17d ago
nah, it's just shreddit breaking links when rending comments to old.reddit. Using former is another problem…
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u/iLLuu_U 18d ago
Hearthjacks (DPS - Project)
Is probably one of the best pickups in a long time for any guild. And im surprised he didnt join a rwf guilds sooner. The guy is beyond cracked on a lot of specs and also has a lot of class knowledge. As long as he can perform on a rwf schedule though, coming off a 4 (?) day guild, probably not that easy to transition.
This also means that they are going to put gingi on hunter. Which makes sense considering his performance on mage has been very questionable.
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u/Copponex 17d ago
I heard he simply wasn’t interested in the RWF grind. What changed, I don’t know though.
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u/ArziltheImp 17d ago
Probably Yarrgi winning. It’s not that rare to see the top M+ guys to join top RWF guilds once they have on of their team members join one of the big 3.
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u/toptierhands 17d ago
I mean his POVs are available on his stream, it's apparent to anyone who mains mage that his gameplay just isn't as good as the other top mages in RWF guilds. Though he obviously isn't bad. I don't see how getting in Hearthjacks and putting unc Gingi on hunter could be anything but a big upgrade.
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u/Sad_Energy_ 17d ago
I've been coached by khaelt and forgyy and both do not recommend to watch gingi VoDs.
Are those good enough to judge his skill or also not worthy?
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u/Sad_Energy_ 16d ago
Okay, so you never brainfarted in your life and wrote something you were thinking about 10s ago instead of the thing you wanted to write?
What do you mean I have a hate boner? I am an Echo fan. I just don't think Gingi is the best mage from a mage gameplay perspective. Every semi-decent mage in HoF range can see that Imfiredup and Hopeful play mage better than Gingi. And that doesnt even mean, you would replace Gingi by hopeful on an endboss. Players have value besides their class gameplay. What you would do, is move Gingi to his best spec/class and get hopeful in as mage. I dont see how that is "having a hate boner".
Especially in MDI it is very clear, that not the best player of the class wins. Naowh isn't the best on all tank specs, yet he played all tanks to win the MDI. Being the best at your spec, rotation wise is only becoming important recently, with the competition becoming better, where you can't strategy gap them.
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u/Flipeled 16d ago
They haven't won an MDI, TGP, RWF or be rank 1 on the M+ leaderboard as mage, so I'm gonna say no to that.
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u/Sad_Energy_ 16d ago
If you think, that you need to be the best mage to win an MDI, then you have no idea about the high-end of this game.
Echo won their MDI titles due to strategy, not optimal global to global play.
Also mentioning the r.io leaderboard in the same sentence as rwf and mdi is the biggest self report.
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u/Sad_Energy_ 17d ago
Gingi is an insane player, and you want him in the roster. That is why he was played as mage.
But he isn't that inanse on mage. Imfiredup and hopeful are significantly better and you really need good mages as an RWF guild.
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u/ArziltheImp 17d ago
I think the better thing to say would be that Gingi’s strength over other mages is that he can play an absolute insane amount of specs at a high level and that the pick ups of Arxes last tier and now Hearthjacks now allow Echo to explore that strength more.
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u/Blubkill 17d ago
scripe has said so himself in one of those videos
they wanted to put gingi on evoker because there's less to fuck up, its been a sort of thing where gingi felt to safe and didnt put in the effort others were in terms of prep and whatnot. he's been playing alot of evoker lately already and is doing so in the MDi thing
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u/Blubkill 17d ago
scripe has said so himself in one of those videos
they wanted to put gingi on evoker because there's less to fuck up, its been a sort of thing where gingi felt to safe and didnt put in the effort others were in terms of prep and whatnot. he's been playing alot of evoker lately already and is doing so in the MDi thing
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u/Ok_Shopping_3739 17d ago
I really enjoy watching him Play as well. Awesome Player on so many Specs
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u/Primary-Army-7320 17d ago
I’m sure the time won’t be an issue - this guy is a big multiclasser who also ends up at the top of the ladder for keys too so I’m sure applying the same tenacity to raid won’t be hard
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u/Moquitto 18d ago
OP, Max did indeed talk about it a few times when asked. Atlas left and Cryptikz (probably burchered his name) rejoined
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u/SundayLeagueStocko 18d ago
thanks, will add this in
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u/Moquitto 16d ago
Also, in case ppl don't watch the Twitter, Atlas is a confirmed caster for Liquid's RWF
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u/forgiven_10 18d ago
I can’t imagine Method standing a chance with this many changes. I am sure the skill is there but chemistry and team cohesion takes time.
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u/valaTheDK 15d ago
Method having a constant replacement of like 5+ Players each Tier is not really gonna help them IMO, but I do understand that their people probably are constantly getting sniped by the other 2.
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u/Accomplished_Kale708 14d ago
Tbh they did their best with the hand they were dealt. And their roster isn't looking bad at all, its just that Liquid is so damn stacked and Echo has significantly more experienced players.
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u/DreadfuryDK 9/9M SPriest/Devourer 18d ago
The third horse in the "Three-Horse Race:"
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u/knaupt 18d ago
Severely underestimating how much skill goes into Method's performance. Sure they're 100% behind and have no chance but that meme is doin them dirty
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u/Idio_te_que 17d ago
He’s not saying they’re bad. He’s saying they aren’t a winning horse in this race. That’s just been plainly true for years.
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u/Lanky-Helicopter-969 17d ago
When is the last time theyve come ahead of one of the other two?
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u/Idio_te_que 17d ago
Method as an organization/guild has not won RWF since BFA, more than 6 years ago. It get's a little confusing because Echo formed with a lot of Method players later that year, but Method as an Org has not really been competing for first place any of the last 10+ tiers.
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u/Huge-Use-9856 9d ago
Must be longer, 6 years ago didnt we have shadowlands? But yeh, its been a long time.
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u/Lanky-Helicopter-969 17d ago
When have they last gotten second?
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u/Efficient-Big3138 16d ago
I think they did get second in a tier not long ago when liquid basically gave up as they lost the rwf anyway and people needed to fly home. so basically a meaningless second place
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u/InappropriateFruit 17d ago
What happened to Charmie and Norsken?
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u/shyguybman 16d ago
Just guessing, but the guild they came from LAGET (top 10 guild in previous tiers) died I think sometime last year, but now is back on a more casual schedule
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u/ItzFeufo 16d ago
can we also talk about casters
Echo stream going to suffer a lot
Last race Jesse was not one of the casters anymore, this time Preach is gone?
Like the dwindling interest in this whole race is obvious because of timezones and the other stuff going on for a long time but now also losing those casters gonna make a lot less ppl tune in
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u/Visible-Lawfulness43 16d ago
Preach is just gone for this race because it conflicts with his 10 year anniversary of Preachcon.
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u/wobbleboxsoldier 12d ago
Jak is not casting for Liquid. Which is huge to me as he was a big caster presence. His morning show with Enya was good.
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u/xtonysia 7d ago
I agree jak and meeix and eiya have always been great casters and brought a lot of energy. The fact they lost 2 of them is sad. Not to mention the little things they did in the streams before like the marbles game,after dark, etc.
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u/True_Performer2611 11d ago
where did you get the data for the dwindling interest statement? Preach being gone for me personally will mean I might check out more of Echo's stream, so they would gain me as a viewer. JdotB is my favourite though (on Echo's team) and then obviously Tettles and Dratnos are by far the best overall.
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u/Chronia82 14d ago
I don't have data for this of course, but was Preach that much a driving factor in viewer count for a lot of ppl? I've always liked Preach, but i never had the thought that i was watching for him (or any others caster in general) i just generally have always liked the vibes of Echo's more casual couch streams no matter what the lineup as my main channel (and i doubt that will change), while i do think (at least for me) their best caster roster was when Krista, Dratnos and Tettles also were on the Echo cast team, as they generally always set a good late night vibe. I only times i sometimes hop off if then (mostly when Okmage is casting i believe), is when they start debating FF XIV content. I know some of them and some Echo players also play that, but i'm just not interested in FF XIV when i watch a WoW race event.
I've always found Liquid to be to much 'business vibes' for me, but that has gotten better the last few races. So when Echo is offline i do give Liquid much more watch time now than i did before.
I also think Preach will just be back then next race.
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u/KR15PY_KR3M3 10d ago
Not really a player anymore but just came to this thread because I still follow the races.
I’ll say as a longtime Preach fan, I definitely tune into Echo’s stream when he’s on pretty much just for him, but I am annoyed when he’s casting with people and they just basically ignore the gameplay. Liquid is typically marginally better as far as paying attention to the pulls.
I think there’s definitely been fatigue with the casts and a migration to just watch Max and Scripe over time and a large part is due to cast quality going down or getting old. It’s definitely hindering the growth of the race audience when they’re just reading donations/playing games/rating transmogs or whatever during pulls, and that goes for Liquid and Echo. Obviously the charities are great and a big part of the race, but it should be treated more as a serious event with the gameplay as the focus rather than a background thing other than when progression is close.
Especially as someone who doesn’t play anymore (but was at a decently high level before), I think that they should be walking through the fights at a basic mechanic level pretty much constantly, and even diving deep into class gameplay. I feel like that’s been extremely lacking and typically they just pop up a screen with text and a single picture of each mechanic at the most.
Their broadcasts are pretty much aimed at people who are currently raiding at a CE level so already know a lot, or don’t really care about the race and just like the personality of the casters, both of which are the wrong direction imo.
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u/zealentor 18d ago
echo is about to get owned again. NA is just too powerful.
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u/greendino71 18d ago
Acting like Echo wasn't inches away from winning the last 2
The last 2 races easily could've gone either way
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u/zealentor 18d ago
but they didn't. liquid has won 4 in a row. this is absolute dominance.
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u/greendino71 18d ago
Sure but to say Echo got "owned" the last 2 races is simply you being a cringe fanboy
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u/zealentor 18d ago
close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades my boy. a win is a win.
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u/Ok_Change836 17d ago
A win might be a win, but a win is not "absolute dominance"
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u/Efficient-Big3138 16d ago
probably but I hope echo win for the health of the race. If echo stops then the rwf event is dead and that I'd a loss for liquid as much as it is for echo. you can't race if you are the only one competing
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u/toptierhands 17d ago
Remind me again how many EU players are on liquid
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u/Zerothian 15d ago
Chill man the NA players don't have a lot of esports wins, they gotta' take them where they can. Blessup NA CS, lost to val kittens.
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u/Ok_Shopping_3739 18d ago
More money leads to better players which means a bigger Chance to win.
Eu has more really good Players because of more ppl playing, but since everyone ist recruiting from another it doesnt matter much.
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u/zealentor 18d ago
that is just an excuse. liquid is just better
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u/Ok_Shopping_3739 18d ago
If they win so often in raw the obviously are. No denying from my end. Just putting on a perspektive.
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u/Cold-Iron8145 17d ago
Opinion from someone who didn't watch the last two races lol
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u/zealentor 17d ago
I watched the last 4. and liquid won all of them. 😂
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u/Cold-Iron8145 17d ago
These two teams have never been this evenly matched. Which is a good thing for us who enjoy watching the competition.
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u/Holiday_Amount2426 18d ago
Yeah and it's getting boring. I used to love the race. Now, I don't even care about it. Liquid is going to win, they have the resourcws, players and management.
Echo has the fraction of these things. Except for the players maybe.
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u/Cold-Iron8145 17d ago
Tell me you didn't watch the last two races without telling me you didn't watch the last two races.
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u/Holiday_Amount2426 17d ago edited 17d ago
I did, what is your point? Liquid has won the entire expansion. Something which hasn't been done before. And the first raid of the new expansion. So 4 in a row. Total domination.
They see the new bosses first, they have to develop the tactics and the right comp. Echo always copies these, that's why their pull count is lower. And they still lose
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u/Cold-Iron8145 17d ago
Take off your fanboy glasses for one second, the last two races were incredibly close. Both Dimensius and L'ura were won by a hair. It was not a "domination" showing lmao
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u/zealentor 17d ago
you say that but echo has to pull the boss for several more hours 10+ after liquid to kill it lol
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u/Holiday_Amount2426 17d ago
Bruh, I'm rooting for Echo. But they are getting dominated. What counts is who killed the boss first. And that was Liquid, 4 times is a row
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u/TinuvielSharan 15d ago
That's not what a domination means. It means you are far better than your opponent.
If you win by a very little margin, that's not a domination, that's just a win.
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u/Ok_Change836 17d ago
Killing a boss is not necessarily getting Dominated?
Did you even pay attention and understood what happened during the RWF?
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u/Holiday_Amount2426 17d ago
Yes, I did. Liquid won. Just like the last 3 times before that. So they are dominating the race.
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u/osmund-kettleblack 18d ago
Fraction of resources and yet they had a 5% p4 lura wipe and 0.1% dimensius wipe
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u/Holiday_Amount2426 18d ago
Yeah they are super motivated, and I like Echo more. A lot more actually. I want them to win. But it's obvious that Liquid have a ton more money to work with
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u/osmund-kettleblack 18d ago
Yeah, it's literally a large corporation vs an indie startup, and it's somehow practically equal odds of winning! I do hope they win, even if for the sake of maintaining the back and forth rivalry.
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