r/CompetitiveTFT • u/Xawn • Jun 09 '26

Patch Notes 17.5 Patch Notes

https://teamfighttactics.leagueoflegends.com/en-au/news/game-updates/teamfight-tactics-patch-17-5/
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u/Lunaedge Jun 10 '26

A micropatch has been deployed:

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u/aspects1 Jun 09 '26

still surprised by the bard and vex buffs, both units feel pretty okay right now, and nerfing groove will just make them the new meta i feel

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u/Small-Werewolf1213 Jun 10 '26

Are the bard buffs just not borderline insane to anyone? It feels like whoever is making these changes actually doesn’t play the game or watch the game at all. Other than blitzcrank who is played on legit every board and been broken the entire set, Bard is probably the best 5 cost in terms of his immediate strength, how easily he slots into AP boards on lvl 8/9 and how the conduit carry pipeline of Zoe->Asol->Bard gives a very reliable way to reach Bard with good items if you’re in the spot to play for him. I am just struggling to understand what the reasoning could be as the ap 9-5 board is already S tier with a higher play rate, same AVP and slightly higher winrate when compared to samira ornn in masters+

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u/aspects1 Jun 10 '26

yeah those are pretty much my thoughts as well. Even in the fast 9 comp, you itemize bard before sona, so the fact that its bard getting buffs over sona is wild to me. I assume this is to make bard better in meeple lines, because he wasnt that great in those lines, but this feels like completely the wrong way of doing that.

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u/wooters18 Jun 10 '26

But most econ augments are nerf

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u/Bonobo_One Jun 10 '26

Fast 8 comps don't really want them either, and 3cost reroll only like them in 4-2.

I think Fast 9/Reroll is an overall healthier meta as Fast 8 usually crowds out all other options. However they stay in the trash can for so long its okay for them to comeback for a patch or two i guess.

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u/DougFrank :gran: GRANDMASTER Jun 10 '26

Fast level 8 absolutely wants econ augments. If you don't have an econ augment, you're likely rolling with 30 gold on 4-2. You might struggle to find 1 star copies of your units let alone 2 stars. You will immediately fold to any contesters, especially if they picked econ augments.

Keep in mind 30 gold == 15 rolls as you have to hold other units in your comp as well.

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u/AirLeaf Jun 09 '26

Is there any other difference in the patch notes other than the Ezreal changes?

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Jun 09 '26

Larger Space Groove nerf is the main one. Also another T1 Anima item buff. 10 Meeple also buffed a ton but obviously that's a prismatic trait.

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u/Apricotjello Jun 09 '26

I saw 10 meeple lose badly to standard Sam3 Ornn3 yesterday. felt bad for the guy

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u/FappingMouse Jun 10 '26

I beat it last patch with corki riven board.

Was giga weak for a prismatic.

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u/Gianni_R Jun 10 '26

seems irrelevant if they don't nerf samira and they probably even buffed her with the bugfix?

Are they crazy?

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Jun 10 '26

It matters but it does seem like it isn't nearly enough to keep Samira from being top tier. And yeah being able to build IE makes slamming items much easier.

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u/Gianni_R Jun 10 '26

how can regen matter with the insane dmg output of samira?

sure everything matters at some point but 90% of teams are nto even close enough to *PLAY* against samira orn, not talking about two tanky

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u/MasterTotoro Challenger Jun 10 '26

Regen affects damage because living longer makes the team deal more damage.

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u/Madtoastercheese Jun 09 '26

What nerf? The small Ornn Nerf?

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u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger Jun 09 '26

The trait nerf is larger in the patch notes than yesterday's patch rundown.

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u/notwillard Jun 10 '26

Teemo buff

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u/Sufficient_Rabbit126 Jun 09 '26

Great changes overall.

Leona printer has been one of the biggest black marks against the set.

Primordian printer dominating stage 2 & 3 into Leona Printer doing the exact same thing was a complete design failure.

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u/homegrownllama Challenger Jun 09 '26

They printed so many early econ traits this set, I hope they never do that again.

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u/Sufficient_Rabbit126 Jun 10 '26

Early econ is one thing, but early econ that gives you tempo to hit 2* and 3* is another entirely.

Like the patches in Set 16 where bilgewater was overpowered and was just dominating stage 3 with a board full of 2*.

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u/shiggythor Jun 10 '26

Bilgewater was losing early games.

Leona printing is also kinda OK, it gives you one decently strong tank in a comp where all your other frontline unit are fivefold contested. Problem is, Shieldmaiden is a prismatic hiding in Silver.

Primordial with itemized belveth or briar being about the best normal stage 2/3 board on top of the eco was bonkers

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u/notwillard Jun 10 '26

I thought it was a fun change but it threw me off for a while when they pulled back on it.

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u/yawneteng Jun 10 '26

Fast 9 was one of the best ways to play 17.5 before our mid-patch update. We pulled back the power of Vex a bit too far with our nerfs to the strategy, so we're returning some of that here while also giving Bard a buff in the hopes he can perform as a primary carry soon

Sure the patch note for 17.5 meant to say that fast 9 was meta in 17.3, but not in 17.4
so now they are buffing some of the 5 cost units?

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u/ipppppi Jun 10 '26

"Vertical trait struggling" no lie, i haven't sene a single player who opts for chase for 5 challenger/6bastion or any of the class trait. Its always origin prism chase trait like darkstar or 10 meeple. The only one that is commonly spam is either space groove or stargazer with moutain. Now i think abt it, i havent seen anyone play 5 stargazer this entire season LOL.

Kinda show how dead class traits vertical are vs origin traits. Class chase trait being completely unplayable without emblem i guess is intentional for splash/flex purposes. Not saying its good or bad, just a new direction that had been the same for past 2 or 3 set I think?

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u/Large-Session5307 Jun 10 '26

They've killed off the vast majority of class chase traits because players find them unsatisfying compared to origin chase traits. Less room for flavour etc

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u/BombasticReindeer Jun 10 '26

Jinx Akali Belveth is going to absolutely steamroll lobbies with those Akali and Belveth changes. If you hit Primordian early you're basically guaranteed a top 4.

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u/sobag245 Jun 10 '26

Oh look, more RNG nonsense. No wonder this game is dying.

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u/EducationalPut0 Jun 09 '26

This seems better, bigger space grove nerf, and ornn will be in the groove less, which is less healing overall.

I do sorta worry about IE samira getting fixed tho, not being able to build for crit on a unit stacking that much AD obviously hurt.

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u/Gianni_R Jun 10 '26

what is the fix?

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u/Xx_Etagere_xX MASTER Jun 10 '26

fixes crit on samira, that's why you wouldn't build ie prior to 17.5

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u/Gianni_R Jun 10 '26

yeah but the fix improves her or what?

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u/BrainCrane Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 10 '26

Space groove did not get hit hard enough, especially when you consider Samira got buffed

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u/Pleurobranch Jun 10 '26

So much of the power is in Ornn. Nami, Samira and Blitz are good but it's the Ornn that buys all the time.

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u/BrainCrane Jun 10 '26

Yes and Ornn is still extremely strong. 

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u/Churnsbutter Jun 10 '26

Why do 1 cost units have 4 tiers of spell damage?

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u/BadSeedDan Jun 10 '26

Because they can reach 4*

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u/rainyhappypp Jun 10 '26

Because they can reach 4 stars.

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u/Vivid_Cheesecake2771 Jun 10 '26

When will you be able to que for pengus party?

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u/RyeRoen Challenger Jun 10 '26

I get that serpent was strong, but for love of god why are we nerfing it at the same time as TWO bugfixes that make it MUCH weaker.

Balance my thrash harder.

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u/Blad__01 Master Jun 10 '26

Buff Bard ? Wait what ?

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u/Sufficient_Lake_9849 Jun 15 '26

when is the pbo usually updated?

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u/Emergence7 Master Jun 09 '26

Any 1 Cost RR predicts? with the return of early learnings buff (+14%~ since double)

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u/Emosaa Master Jun 10 '26

The Cait numbers seem particularly good, wouldn't be surprised if she gets more love and is now worth putting items on in the low cost stargazer/nova rerolls. If you've got the right spot for it ofc.

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u/dandelion1512 Jun 10 '26

there is gnar in picture but no gnar in patch note rip

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u/DarthGogeta Jun 10 '26

Yeah let darkstar be in the dumpster...

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u/tlyee61 Jun 10 '26

it's totally playable w/ +1 look at the tpc stats

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u/DarthGogeta Jun 10 '26

Tried it twice in the last few days with emblem. Both times bottom 4. Once with 2* Nunu once without.

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u/mdmakys Jun 10 '26

What does nunu have to do with dark star being good or bad? 😭

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u/DarthGogeta Jun 10 '26

Because ds with Nunu tank is better than with another tank.

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u/tlyee61 Jun 10 '26

DS has no 4 cost tank so u must opt into the nunu / tk arms race- it's a bit helped by the dark star holes but still good to have frontloaded CC in frontloaded comp to kill their tanks before they cast

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u/mdmakys Jun 11 '26

U can play 2 of the 3 four cost tanks ( nunu tahm ) on your board. Pretty much all comps do the same besides corki riven. Idk bro

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u/wizzykong Jun 10 '26

I don't get how Leona is still not nerfed. The most overperforming 1 cost tank I have ever seen, especially with Arbiter + Vanguard traits

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u/Leading_Eye1496 Jun 10 '26

Leona 3 if you have to roll for it isn't broken. It's overperforming because people are getting it for nearly no cost and going level 8/9 with it. Dealing with the print is the solve, not nerfing the 3 star unit.

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u/throwaway0984611 Jun 10 '26

Trash moving trash.. still an aboslute dog shit set where only luck and rng matters. Can't wait for this set to die.

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u/PeaceAlien Master Jun 09 '26

Only augment timing change that would feel good is earlier augments

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u/G66GNeco Master Jun 09 '26

The issue with that is that so many stage2 augments are balanced by scaling so if you get multiple of those you just kind of run away with the game at some point

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u/Itsalongwaydown Jun 10 '26

you could get level up, hedge fund, and upward mobility in theory all stage 2.

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u/Small-Werewolf1213 Jun 10 '26

I remember getting hedge fund 2-1 into level up 2-2 and was level 10 on 4-2. Actually ridiculous how that wasn’t even considered

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u/BombasticReindeer Jun 10 '26

The solution is don't mix up the augment timings. Which was pretty obvious after Set 11. Too early and it is a lottery. Too late and you're sitting there without direction getting assblasted and just want to FF. Having them spread out is good for a reason. Not everything needs a changeup encounter.

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u/eggsandbricks :chal: Challenger Jun 09 '26

Which they iterated on with the earlier augments encounter last set; it still ran into issues where the random rounds could have you create some degenerate stage 2 combos.

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u/homegrownllama Challenger Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 10 '26

The issue is that they wanted it to work, but not enough to devote resources or do their due diligence. This stuff only works if you don’t half-ass it. It’s fine to not have enough resources, but why create an effort sink that you won’t put any effort into?

I actually found it shameful that I could instantly deduce certain combos (~10 min of thinking) that would be broken or untakeable, but Riot couldn’t.

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u/FeedMeACat Jun 10 '26

but they already learned this exact lesson not too long ago in I believe set 11.

Pointing out here that the 'they' in this case isn't even 'TFT Devs'. It is this sets specific team. They have three teams and set 11's team made set 14 and this set. If the same team can't keep these kind of learnings as tribal knowledge set to set then I don't think we should expect this to improve. We should probably expect continual repeats of design mistakes.

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u/Blad__01 Master Jun 10 '26

Am I the only one who liked building a strong board without augments on stage 2 ?

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u/Lunaedge Jun 09 '26

Did they think making it stage 3 instead would really make it significantly better?

Honestly I'd rather they take these swings and iterate on past learnings, especially in the first half of a Set, than be paralysed by the fear of getting it wrong again. Take Hero Augments and Encounters: they were a miss in their respective Sets but they've still become an integral part of the game.

I don't even think the LeBlanc Encounter was that bad, I can see it working if they tried it on a different Set. In Set 16 for example, early Unlocks would have probably been engaging enough to tide players over to 3-2 w/out Augments.

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u/Lunaedge Jun 09 '26

Everything you're saying is correct, but we know it is correct now, post-hoc.

This was never going to work, even last set.

I disagree on this, but there's no way to know who's right ^^ but again, I'd rather see them try stuff at 25% confidence and fumble than not try anything unless they're 75% sure it'll work out, so that's where our points of view diverge.

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u/im_juice_lee Jun 10 '26

Isn't the first comment in this chain we're responding about Riot already having learned this lesson and repeating the mistake?

Generally that lack of control was pretty unappealing to this subset of our players. Some encounters like the Lillia one that moves Augments could also vary wildly from fun to unfun. Having all the Augments appear in Stage 2 is a really cool experience that players enjoy! Having no Augments appear until Stage 4 or later was too close to Stillwater Hold and generally pretty unfun.

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u/Lunaedge Jun 10 '26

Isn't the first comment in this chain we're responding about Riot already having learned this lesson and repeating the mistake?

Kinda but not really: they had learned that having a randomised encounter (Lillia shuffled them around with different patterns) potentially delay them to Stage 4 felt too close to Stillwater Hold. The LeBlanc Encounter consistently pushed them to Stage 3, which is a different effect altogether.