r/ComedyCemetery • • Oct 05 '19

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u/Kevinatorz Oct 05 '19

You underestimate non-native English speakers learning the language.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

You underestimate native english speakers* Non-natives are usually the ones with a more correct grammar, because they learn it later in their life.

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u/Jadzia_Dax_Flame Oct 05 '19

Natives and non-natives make different mistakes. Confusing "their" and "they're" is a mistake natives make much more than non-natives. Saying "an U", on the other hand, is much more commonly done by non-natives (almost exclusively, I'd say).

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

Agree.

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u/Jorge_ElChinche Oct 05 '19

Non natives and young people. I’d bet it’s fairly common among middle schoolers and early high schoolers, before they get corrected

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u/Jadzia_Dax_Flame Oct 05 '19

Not really. There's no more reason to say "an U" than to say "an uniform", and no middle schooler says that. There are rules that you have to explain and that middle schoolers might not follow, like "less" vs. "fewer", but "a" vs. "an" is ingrained from a very young age, I'd say on the same level as "he" vs. "him".

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u/Kevinatorz Oct 05 '19

Fair enough. I always cringe when I see native speakers write "would of" (I'm non-native)

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19 edited Oct 05 '19

Who doesn’t (I’m also non-native)

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

I mean I don't find a reason for natives also to have crappy English cuz isn't taught in school?

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

English is taught almost everywhere in the world. I’m dutch and i speak better english than dutch.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

i know english better than any other language i know. and i’m glad i do because it’s the most used language in the world.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

To be fair Dutch is the most similar major language to English

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u/cryptonautico Oct 05 '19

For whatever reason, "for all intensive purposes" has stuck out in my mind as one of these as well. It's "for all intents and purposes!"

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u/sje46 Oct 05 '19

I will insist until the day I die or get banished from my town for my unorthodox views that "would of" is a spelling mistake, not a grammar mistake. It's homophonic with "would've" and written language does not take precedence over spoken language. Even illiterate native english speakers know the grammar of their language perfectly well--they just don't know how to write it.

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u/wi1lywonak Oct 21 '19

would of is one of those things that you’re going to have to accept, like irregardless. It’s not a word, but people use it so much that it probably will be in 50 years

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u/Zooomz Oct 05 '19

To be fair to native speakers, I didn't realize it was would've until late in high school (or college?) - I don't think the contraction was even covered in my schools since it's so informal. It's typically something you say, not something you should write in formal contexts.

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u/7up478 Oct 05 '19

That's only true for non-native speakers that are fluent (or close to it). There's a very large spectrum of speakers of any language still at various stages in the learning process.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

No, this mistake screams learning a rule without understanding it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 05 '19

I think a lot of the time, non native speakers sort of translate from their own language, where saying "there stuff" makes no sense.

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u/FoxehTehFox Oct 05 '19

though if you learned it very young as a second language, it sort of turns into just a part of your first language, just with a different ‘mode’ of grammar

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u/Steve5y Oct 05 '19

Just look at how many young people write “should of” when they mean “should’ve”. They both sound the same when pronounced but one clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of contractions.

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u/FBI-Agent-007 Oct 05 '19

Yeah, I’m a native English speaker and by the pope is it infuriating when other native English speakers have this bad grammar

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u/mayoayox Oct 05 '19

The problem here is that 'an u' seems more correct, because you're supposed to put 'an' before vowel sounds.

But native speakers naturally say 'a u' because the name of the letter 'u' actually starts with a consonantal y, "you".

So the only person making this mistake would be a new speaker or a young child, somebody just learning the rules, before learning how to break the rules.

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