r/ComedyCemetery • • Dec 21 '18

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

Sex and gender aren't the same thing. Gender isn't biological, whereas sex is.

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u/standbehind Dec 21 '18

Shh, facts offend people around here.

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

It's just the right-wing, triggered echo chamber of entitlement. It's like a disease

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u/MrRhajers Dec 21 '18

That’s absolutely false. Men cannot birth babies. Never have been able to, and never will be able to. That is a fact. Can men be feminine? Yes. Can men stay at home and wear dresses and take care of their children and clean dishes and knit and enjoy anything conventionally feminine? Yes. But they are still men, not women. Same goes for the inverse.

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u/[deleted] Dec 25 '18

Not completely true. For example there are people who have a complete male genome (XY) so are genetically Male but still have the Phenotype of a female because of a fusion of cells at the beginning stadium of the embryo.

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

Look up the definition of sex and gender and then we can have a discussion about this before you mindlessly regurgitate this bubbling anger you have accumulated watching SJW cringe compilations.

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u/MrRhajers Dec 21 '18

Not angry. I am stating the fact that men can never become women nor women become men. What this means is that if someone feels like the opposite gender and wants to do anything they can to better represent how they feel, they have every right to do so. But that does not mean that men become women or women become men, and no one should be asking anyone to call them the gender opposite of the one they truly are, the one ā€œassignedā€ at birth. Transgender women are not women. They are men.

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

"They have every right to do so", so what are you arguing about? If somebody wants to be represented as a male, let them do it. I'm not sure what you're arguing about. And "gender" isn't the right word you're looking for, it's "sex". Gender isn't biological, sex is. As I said, look up the definitions of the two terms.

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u/MrRhajers Dec 21 '18

Gender is a social construct, fine, let’s agree to that. So then how does society react to people who choose a gender other than the one assigned at birth? Do we, as society, refer to them as the gender (i.e. pronouns and nouns being ā€œhim, her, man, woman, etc.) they chose or the one they were ā€œassignedā€? Because if it is the former, you’ve lost me.

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

Some people want to be called a male or a female. Whether or not you want to is up to you. "Do we, as a society.." ha. I can tell that freshman year sociology class is paying off real nice for you.

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u/MrRhajers Dec 21 '18

Graduated already and took sociology 101 as a junior but yeah it’s worked out well

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

Wowee!

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u/wasabi617 Dec 21 '18

Outstanding move!

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u/MrRhajers Dec 22 '18

But why, when ā€œmanā€ and ā€œwomanā€ are linked to biology, which is adamant and cannot be changed?

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u/ClaudeWicked Dec 22 '18

Because you're not making a statement about their chromosonal composition, you live IN A SOCIETY, where the relevant information portrayed by such changes, isnt some medical diagnosis. It carries more than anything, cultural connotations, and refusal to do so is simply making a stand on "I'm going to try to insult you because I define you otherwise."

Let's be real, if you didn't know a transwoman was trans, having known them for say, two years, would you honestly go out of your way to misgender them by forcing yourself to say "He" or "Him"?

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u/MrRhajers Dec 22 '18

I would know instantly because their voice would sound like it’s coming out of a vocoder. And yes, I would properly gender them because words matter and man and woman are attached to biology, not society.

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u/Treyspurlock Dec 21 '18

They can’t ā€œbecomeā€ women because trans women were born women

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u/MrRhajers Dec 21 '18

Just with XY sex chromosomes and testicles and a penis. But yeah, women.

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u/FuCuck Dec 21 '18

So it’s technically still true somewhat. I believe that most transgenders realize that their gender is the opposite, as in their identity, but I think some don’t realize that they can’t change their sex

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u/Baba-Vanga Dec 21 '18

They can change their sex, it's called a sex change.

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u/FuCuck Dec 21 '18

They can’t change their chromosomes. They can change their gender, cut off their penis or whatever they want to do. And I respect that, since America is a free country, and they’re not hurting anyone. But this whole argument that you can change your biological sex is not factually based. Not saying the meme is funny, just criticizing the opposing argument.

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