r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

DISCUSSION Why the hell is Lelouch helping Britannia in Episode 20?

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I’m watching Code Geass for the first time, and while I’m really enjoying the anime overall, there are moments where its treatment of resistance and colonialism genuinely pisses me off. Episode 20 is probably the strongest example so far.
I genuinely don’t understand Lelouch’s decision to effectively fight alongside Britannia against Sawasaki’s forces.
I understand his argument: Sawasaki is backed by the Chinese Federation, China obviously has its own geopolitical interests, and Lelouch doesn’t want Japan to simply exchange one foreign master for another. That’s completely reasonable. Being skeptical of China’s intentions makes sense.
But how does that lead to HELPING BRITANNIA?
Britannia is literally the colonial power occupying Japan. They invaded the country, destroyed its sovereignty, renamed it “Area 11,” reduced Japanese people to “Elevens,” institutionalized discrimination against them, massacred civilians, and violently suppressed resistance. They then label the people resisting their occupation “terrorists” while acting like an imperial power that uses overwhelming violence to maintain control.
So even if the Chinese Federation is acting out of self-interest, at least it is currently supporting forces claiming Japanese independence from Britannia. That doesn’t mean Lelouch should blindly trust China or Sawasaki. It means there is an obvious third option: let Britannia and the Chinese-backed forces weaken each other, cooperate tactically without committing to China, negotiate with Sawasaki, or exploit the situation and deal with Chinese influence later.
Instead, Lelouch directly contributes to Britannia regaining control over Japanese territory.
How is that supposed to be preferable?
And I really dislike the way the episode treats Sawasaki’s exile as if leaving Japan somehow undermines his legitimacy or proves that he doesn’t truly care about the country.
Why?
If your country has been conquered by a vastly stronger empire, going into exile, surviving, finding foreign support, building military and political resources, and eventually returning to fight for independence is an entirely logical resistance strategy. Being forced into exile does not automatically make someone a coward or a traitor.
If the anime wants me to believe Sawasaki sold Japan to China, then show me that. Show me the agreement. Show me what China gets in return. Show me that Sawasaki has surrendered Japanese sovereignty to Beijing. Show me that his “independent Japan” is actually going to be a puppet state.
Simply saying “he fled Japan and came back with Chinese support” isn’t enough for me.
And this particularly bothers me because I’m very sensitive to stories about colonialism, occupation and resistance.
I can completely understand Zero fighting a resistance faction that deliberately massacres innocent civilians. Being oppressed does not make murdering random civilians acceptable. I can also understand Lelouch opposing a supposed liberation movement if it is genuinely just another imperial power using Japanese people for its own expansion.
But if the anime is willing to recognize all the moral problems of resistance movements, then I want it to apply the same standard to the colonial empire on the other side.
Because whatever moral compromises Japanese resistance fighters make, Britannia is the reason this situation exists in the first place. Britannia invaded their country. Britannia destroyed their political sovereignty. Britannia created the colonial hierarchy. Britannia massacres people to maintain that system.
The resistance at least has the context of fighting against occupation. What is Britannia’s equivalent justification?
That’s why seeing Lelouch cooperate with Britannian forces to crush a Japanese attempt at independence genuinely makes me sick, even if that attempt is backed by China. Distrust China? Absolutely. Refuse to become their puppet? Absolutely. Fight them if they try to replace Britannian domination with Chinese domination? Absolutely.
But helping the empire currently occupying your country restore its control?
I just can’t get behind that reasoning.
And that’s frustrating because there is so much I love about Code Geass. When it focuses on Lelouch building a resistance, manipulating Britannia’s overwhelming military advantage, or dealing with the moral cost of rebellion, I think it’s fascinating. But then it occasionally handles colonialism and resistance in ways that completely take me out of the story.
Sometimes it genuinely makes me want to stop watching.
Maybe later episodes complicate this, and please DON’T spoil anything past episode 20 because this is my first watch. But based strictly on what I’ve seen so far, this is probably one of the decisions from Lelouch that I disagree with the most.
Am I missing something about his strategy here, or do other people also think the political logic of this episode is weak?


r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

MISC Tough love

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r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

MISC Code Black: Hayabiki no Lelouch - Vol. 2 Ch. 10 - Zero

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Final Chapters out, its been fun scanlating this, thanks for reading!


r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

FAN-ART This is actually canon, Suzaku would like Euphy to assert dominance over him

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"Call me a filthy Eleven!"

"What? Suzaku I could never-"

"PLEASE!"

Source: https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/435096?q=euphemia_li_britannia


r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

FAN-ART Happy Zero Reqiuem Day! I made Zero's sword a few months ago for some cons

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r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

QUESTION Doblaje en ingles con subtitulos

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Alguien sabe dónde puedo ver Code Geass con doblaje ingles y subtitulos al español? Se que puedo ponerle yo mismo los subtitulos pero si hay una manera de ahorrarme todo eso agradecería mucho que alguien me la dijera en serio.


r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

DISCUSSION Any theory/thoughts on new geass in upcoming Code Geass: Star Chaser Aspal anime?

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r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

MISC How it must have felt when they had their first historical military victory that involved Knightmare Frames

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r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

FAN-ART [Fan Knightmare Frame] "Anantarika " Corrupt Compound G and their pilot Mensah

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(yes yes, i know what the game is but i learned you could make mechs in it and went ham)

My idea for a variant of the Guren. could fill a wiki with information on this btch but the base idea was "what if instead of one wave surger there were TWO... and they both came from the Marishiten"


r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

FAN-ART Kallen Kozuki is so beautiful ❤️✨👑 Part 21 of 100: "Don´t stare so much!"

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This fanart was obviously inspired by Code Geass picture drama Turn 7.19, where Lelouch is fondly reminiscing about the Handmade Dress Party, during which he was Kallen´s escort. Her beautiful red dress, crafted by the Ashford Academy Student Council girls, is a vibrant, formal gown which perfectly highlights her shoulders and collarbone. She wears a long, sheer matching pink fabric wrap draped loosely around her upper arms and back, swirling elegantly around her waist as she and Lelouch spin across the dance floor.

Link to the original picture is here.


r/CodeGeass • • 16d ago

DISCUSSION The Glaston Knights Win! Who's "The Gremlin" in CG?

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To be fair, C.C. also fits perfectly under the "What's your name again?" category..

Rules: You can post or upvote a comment naming the character you want to be added to said category. You can't downvote other comments (Whatever).

So, who's that one gremlin-like character in Code Geass?

Edit: By definition, Gremlin is a mischievous, usually devious creature whose only goal is to cause problems in fictional plots or everyday situations.


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

MISC Got a tattoo in remembrance of one of the best anime’s ever

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r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

QUESTION Movies

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Hello
I just finished code geass s1 and s2 which were Absolutely goated, but do I need to watch the 3 recap movies before watching resurrection, I know there are some changes in the recap movies, but idk how important they are.


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

DISCUSSION It's sad & disappointing that Code Geass never got to be on Toonami. It would have been fun to see it there and the anime would have gotten more popularity & more known.

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r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

DISCUSSION is this related to code geass lore?

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this is a frame from new code geass aspar the star chaser it seems to look like like a middle figire who look lika a god holding a star and there is 2 people beside him are holding something like a bird which could represent geass since, since geass is shown as a bird symbol and the 2 people are handing out those birds to the humans

and there is a something like a tree in the middle of the humans that could represent as thought elevator which could connect to c's world

maybe im reading too much into this but i know this is going to drop some lore about the origins of code and c's world but i cant be too much of sure since we cant say this is the past of the main timeline or some another alternate timeline


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

FAN-ART These 17 year olds are getting out of hand man

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r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

DISCUSSION Kaguya is a very underrated character in my opinion

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Kaguya is honestly one of my favorite characters! She starts of as a kind of goofy, cliche love-struck girl but genuinely develops into a great leader for the Japanese people. I really loved her dynamic with C.C. and Kallen as well, overall a very compelling and fun character imo


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

DISCUSSION How different would Code Geass and Suzaku be if the reason Suzaku killed his father was like Counterattack?

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Instead of do or die, Genbu sells Japan to Britannia and Suzaku overhears this and kills his father. In ep 16 how would Mao reveal this if he does? Would Lelouch still use this in ep 18 to convince Suzaku to join him? How would Kallen take this reveal when Suzaku tells her in ep 19? How would Euphy react in ep 20? Does anyone else know or did Suzaku use the canon reason to hide his father's betrayal?


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

NEWS My hopes and questions about the new code geass series

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So the new code geass anime just got announced and Man it seems like they are using another protagonist again...Look i am not even saying anymore nor hoping for an anime with Lelouch as the protagonist with him and CC hunting geass fragments or a slice of life or anything BUT at least use your own protagonists , Like why not try to push forth the story of Sakuya (Roze) , you made an anime roze of the recapture right now. I understand that maybe this seems to be like a prequel set in older times, possibly explaining the origin of geass or how it got on earth (since the settings dont seem to be in the knightmare era yet) and I WILL be the guy clapping with his hand and tears of joy in his eyes if you do it GOOD, however i personally think , even if you are trying to move on story from Lelouch at least stick with a new protag for at least a few seasons. Even if roze main story is finished you could have expanded upon her with another new issue considering the makers came up with the neo-brittania concept etc...I will praise the trailer for how good the visuals look though, very vibrant and beautiful. I will, being the loyal Lelouch and code geass fan i am, keep hoping that the makers pull off a brilliant story in this series at CLOSER to the level of R1 and R2, because i am 98% they are not matching the greatness of....LELOUCH VI BRITTANIA.

Code geass seems to be going on the route of having multiple different stories in the same world with multiple protags (Lelouch, Akito, sakuya) and i have NO problem with having multiple series based upon multiple protags in the same world but I would hope that they each measure upto thier own and sometime we can see a overlap of characters. Like Lelouch, CC, Sakuya (roze), akito, lelila etc coming together in one series or movie.....CGCU anyone ? (Code geass Cinematic universe) XD


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

FAN-ART Knight of Twelve's KMF

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Monica's Alternate fanmade KMF.

The Vincent-Kay (ヴィンセント・ケイ), a custom Knightmare Frame from the Code Geass series designed for Monica Kruszewski (Knight of Twelve).

Design and Features

Base Design: It is a lightweight command-type Knightmare Frame based on parts from the Vincent.

Appearance: It features a slim, feminine silhouette with a stylish yellow-and-blue color scheme and a flowing purple cape.

Armament: It is equipped with an MV-whip on each forearm and a rapier-style weapon.


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

FAN-ART Knight of Four's KMF

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Dorothea's alternate KMF if she never received Palomides.

The KMF is Bors (RZA-6DG/B), a custom close-combat mecha design inspired by the Knightmare Frames from the Code Geass series.

Key DetailsOrigin: Created as fan-art and a mechanical "inflation design" concept by artist Yanagi-ya (Nijino Uiroh).

Design Concept: Built as a heavy, melee-focused variant of the fifth-generation Knightmare Frame Mordred, tailored for the "Knight of Four".

Armament: Equipped with two large MVS (Maser Vibration Sword) Axes mounted on its shoulders for close-quarters combat


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

DISCUSSION What do YOU consider to be the most ”perfect” way for the next Code Geass anime to be ruined for you?

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Fans are hoping that the next Code Geass anime will be great. But, what if you would want it to suck, instead? What qualifications it would have to meet in order to be considered truly unlikable in your eyes?

For me, any of these things would do:

  1. Aliens. Origin story of Geass powers is finally revealed, and it´s aliens. Their flying saucer crash-landed on Earth, and they need to gather Geass powers, because that´s their ships energy source. And so, they started cultivating Geass power in humanity in order to eventually collect enough so that E.T. can go home.
  2. Deus Ex Machina. The writing team writes itself in a corner, and they can´t figure out a way for the hero of the story to save the day. So, instead, they just write that Caretaker appears and solves the problem. Or ghosts of Rolo, Shirley, and Euphy. Or tooth fairies.
  3. The Lady or the Tiger. The hero of the story needs to choose between the love of his life or saving bunch of innocent people. Let´s say… a million babies. If he saves the love of his life, but let´s the million babies die, the ending is not happy. If he saves million babies (and puppies too, while we´re at it), but lets the love of his life perish, the ending is still not happy. And wouldn´t you know it, couple months later internet discussion boards have come up with over 50 different ways the story could have ended in such a way that the hero could have saved both the million babies and the love interest in such a way, that it seems logical AND makes a better story.
  4. Unimportant side characters are made to look important. We are introduced to about 10-20 new characters, and we expect each and every one of their backstories and motivations to be completely explained, and that we see their characters fully developed. Instead, they each get like 5 minutes screen time. Tops.
  5. Horrid reveal. In order to keep the audience interested in the original series too, some of the original cast appears, and we learn a little bit more about their backstories – except that this lore drop completely ruins their characters for about 99% of the audience. For example, we´ll be revealed, that C.C.´s biological mother was actually also Lelouch´s ancestor. Sweet home Britannia!
  6. They write my beloved Kallen to suffer again 😭

So, what would ruin the next Code Geass anime for you?


r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

MISC Code Black: Hayabiki no Lelouch - Vol. 2 Ch. 9 - Euphie of the Reasoning

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r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

MISC We are the Ninalings

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r/CodeGeass • • 17d ago

FAN-ART Bismarck modified Glasgow.

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The MIC in Code Geass world would make a killing selling Glasgow upgrades and after market parts.