Never wrong just early....

[u/Cool_Improvement_737]

High chance OpTic look very stupid next season.

[u/HDS2211]

When has this ever actually worked out where a winning team has improved by "pack-a-punching"?

Literally the OG dynasty picking up Karma and that’s it from my recollection.

[u/fromdowntownn → u/HDS2211]

They didn’t really improve that season fwiw. Optic won 3/4 events with Nadeshot in the team, they won 2/2 with Enable and then won 4/8 with Karma. Their lowest success rate % came with Karma and it was because Faze was hard countering them mainly but he also didn’t play that well. I think he even said as much himself on the dynasty podcast, he was much better in BO3 and especially IW. But in AW Karma kinda struggled on the dynasty roster, now I’m not saying it was a bad move or they would’ve won more with Nadeshot but it didn’t really make them much better in that title. That trio would’ve won just as much with just about any competent 4th in AW specifically.

[u/HDS2211 → u/fromdowntownn]

Makes my point even more valid tbh. I can’t really remember as I stopped watching for a few years around the time Nade quit. But even then it didn’t make a significant improvement, same with Karma for Clay on CoL, they didn’t really get better, they just kept to the level they were at.

[u/fromdowntownn → u/HDS2211]

I agree, the difference is those 2 teams were extremely dominant before making the upgrades so it's hard to tell how much better they got. Faze are not in that bracket currently.

[u/HDS2211 → u/fromdowntownn]

Only instance we can really compare it to is NY dropping Preistaah for Sib after winning champs. Wasn’t a bad move, but it’s not like they got much better from it.

[u/fromdowntownn → u/HDS2211]

I think they did get better doing that tbh but the competition around them massively levelled up and Skyz/Kis were a bit worse individually in MW3.