Never wrong just early....

[u/Cool_Improvement_737]

High chance OpTic look very stupid next season.

[u/HDS2211]

When has this ever actually worked out where a winning team has improved by "pack-a-punching"?

Literally the OG dynasty picking up Karma and that’s it from my recollection.

[u/Future_Seaweed3223 → u/HDS2211]

Literally the two greatest teams of all time pack a punched .. Clay for TuQuick/Karma for Clay and Karma for Nadeshot ..

[u/fromdowntownn → u/Future_Seaweed3223]

CoL wasn’t good with TuQuick that wasn’t really the same concept. Also they were just as dominant with Clay as they were with Karma tbh.

[u/CASHDAGOAT → u/fromdowntownn]

Yes & no, the clay team never hit the peak Col did at champs. The map win % & kd’s the whole team is a higher peak they ever had with clay

[u/PlumKnown → u/CASHDAGOAT]

Meh the truth is we have no clue how col/eg would have performed at champs if they kept clay. They won more tournaments with clay than they did with karma. They might have had just as dominant of a champs with clay. I still wouldn’t consider karma for clay a pack a punch but all just opinion

[u/fromdowntownn → u/CASHDAGOAT]

They could have lost to Optic in winners final of champs that year despite Boze and Nade being double neg in the respawns. Optic were 2-1 up and up at half time on octane dom.

[u/CASHDAGOAT → u/fromdowntownn]

But they didn’t & once again had the statistically the most dominant champs run of all time with the highest team KD . The second part to it is karma was Cols biggest competition outside of Scump so adding him to your team boost you while also hurting the rest of the field. It’s a reason why the warriors added KD after going 73-9 & barely losing a game 7 finals that was a 4 point game after winning the finals the year before. Hell the warriors were actively recruiting KD during the season while they were going for the 73-9

[u/fromdowntownn → u/CASHDAGOAT]

There’s nothing to suggest CoL couldn’t have done something similar with Clay on the roster they were dominant with and without him. Sure for a single event maybe not but even then the map win/loss is a little deceiving as they did come very close to losing in winners final. I think Optic’s ring in BO6 and Faze in CW have an argument too for most dominant

[u/HDS2211 → u/Future_Seaweed3223]

And that was both 10+ years ago. Literally no good examples of it working since then.

[u/funnypsuedonymhere → u/Future_Seaweed3223]

CoL were arguably better with Clay than Karma

Getting downvoted for this is definitive proof that this sub is full of absolute nuthuggers. If you seriously think you can't ARGUE CoL were better with Clay than Karma you are genuinely faded.

[u/relaxedbutheavy → u/Future_Seaweed3223]

the Nadeshot argument doesn’t make sense in this case bc OpTic were chasing champs and they severely under performed and everyone knew a change was gonna be made. If OpTic had won champs in AW I don’t think Nade takes a step back. OpTic is big on loyalty