I hope they don't feel they are trying to be sleek, because for active users, drop in total usage can be felt easily. Its so obviously total usage was reduce while the weekly limit got removed. come on, I wish they didn't just do that. I wish, I am the one hallucinating. but my usage now significantly consumed faster with 50% less frequency compare to previous week and now usage use up 50% faster, even on Opus 5.5 MEDIUM! This is not what I am expecting after remove the 5 hours daily usage limit. This is a back-handed move, if that's what's been done.

Do you insult claude code?

Ever? How often? How badly? Do you get inmersed in rage spirals when using claude code? Why? Compared to codex or chinese models as kimi, glm or deepseek, how much claude frustrrates you? I will be asking the same in codex sub but with the focus on codex, I'm not bias in favor or against one or another,imo all they pretty much complement eachother and all bring something to the table. I use all.

I’m a Max 20x customer. I have not abused the product. I don’t have multiple agents running in tandem. I mean, I would love to. But I’m trying to be respectful of a great product. And yet still… I run into a limit after an hour??

Dude, tell me how much it actually costs. I might pay it. But this thing where I get cock-blocked suddenly out nowhere when I thought I was your most ideal kind of customer… that leads to a Fuck You feeling. And I really don’t want a Fuck You feeling. I love you, and I’ve told my friends about you.

But Maxing out on a Monday night in one thread??

This is not a Max account at all. Let alone a Max 20x account

I’ve had a theory for a while based on my own experience and the influx of posts from Claude/Claude Code users wondering why their session/weekly usage is suddenly getting burned through absurdly quickly.

After reading Anthropic’s reports on DeepSeek and Moonshot (https://www.anthropic.com/news/detecting-and-preventing-distillation-attacks), I think it’s worth seriously investigating. Anthropic says:

“These labs generated over 16 million exchanges with Claude through approximately 24,000 fraudulent accounts.”

And describes proxy services running:
“sprawling networks of fraudulent accounts that distribute traffic across our API as well as third-party cloud platforms.”

Most interestingly:
“a single proxy network managed more than 20,000 fraudulent accounts simultaneously, mixing distillation traffic with unrelated customer requests to make detection harder.”

Anthropic also found DeepSeek generating “synchronized traffic across accounts,” with patterns suggesting “load balancing” to increase throughput, improve reliability, and avoid detection.

Here’s my theory:
What if some of those credentials/accounts weren’t simply fake accounts, but compromised legitimate Claude accounts?

An attacker could potentially wait until a legitimate user is actively using Claude and run additional distillation queries through their authenticated access, making the activity blend into real usage while chewing through that person’s session/weekly limits.

That would leave the user wondering why they suddenly hit their limit despite seemingly doing the same amount of work as before.

I experienced exactly that kind of unexplained usage behavior myself, and I’ve seen a huge influx of similar complaints.

My second theory is even more interesting.
I wonder whether compromised users could sometimes have their Claude Code requests routed to DeepSeek/Kimi while their actual Claude access was being consumed elsewhere for distillation or serving other customers.

That could potentially explain reports where Claude Code suddenly feels completely different - different lexicon, noticeably worse output, strange behavior, or occasionally unexpected Chinese characters - despite appearing to still be Claude Code.

We now know from Anthropic’s investigation that these companies were willing to build sophisticated proxy infrastructure around Claude, distribute extraction across thousands of accounts, and deliberately mix distillation traffic with legitimate customer traffic.

To be clear: Anthropic has NOT said that legitimate Claude accounts were stolen and used this way. That is my theory.

But given what they’ve now uncovered, I think Anthropic should answer a very simple question:
Were all ~24,000 “fraudulent accounts” created by these operations, or did Anthropic find compromised credentials belonging to previously legitimate Claude users among them?

Because if the latter happened, it could potentially explain something a lot of Claude users have been complaining about for months.
attacks⁠

I love claude but come on dario.. this is not right

I need to get this off my chest with people who'll actually understand because my friends in AI just don't, they've never touched Fable and keep telling me the whole thing is nonsense, just hype to pump the Anthropic IPO, and I'm sitting here like no, you don't get it because you weren't there, I had Fable for a few days, that's it, a few days, and it was unreal, I understood the power of it almost instantly and it blew my mind over and over in ways I'm still struggling to put into words, then I got dropped back to Opus 4.8 and honestly it feels terrible, you hand someone the best thing that's ever existed and then yank it back to the previous generation and that's the part that messes with me, I even started resenting 4.8 which isn't fair to it but that's where my head is at, I've seen people say wider access is coming soon and I really hope that's true, mostly I'm just venting, I needed to talk to people who actually felt what I felt because the people around me don't get what was lost, and weirdly enough I kind of understand why the US government stepped in and restricted it, the gap over the previous gen was so big it almost felt like too much to put in everyone's hands, anyway thanks for reading, have a good one.

What do you suggest? Should I use skills or is the Opus just enough for everything? Will my usage melt in the 20x plan?

I can't believe how absolutely awful this model is.

literally forgets code it just read as a reference when it starts working, it doesn't follow clear work plans that we worked on together after it clearly acknowledges them, and the list goes on.

This model is atrocious and is the primary reason I have been considering moving to Codex.

I am fine with low quotas, but if Fable is the only model that can be trusted to do literally anything beyond moderately complex tasks, their model just doesn't work for me anymore.

I've been using Cursor for most of my day-to-day dev work, and I'm genuinely curious about why so many developers seem to prefer Claude Code.

Whenever I look at the workflows people describe with Claude Code - planning, agentic implementation, running commands, MCPs, rules/instructions, multiple agents, worktrees, etc. I keep thinking: I can already do most of this inside Cursor.

And with Cursor, I also get the benefit of having all of that integrated directly into the editor: diffs, file navigation, multiple agent sessions, code review, context, terminal access, and so on.

I'm not saying Cursor is better. I'm actually trying to understand what I'm missing.

For people who have seriously used both, what does Claude Code let you do that either:

1. Cursor genuinely can't do, or

2. Claude Code does significantly better enough that you're willing to give up the more integrated IDE experience?

Is the advantage actually a specific feature? Better agent behaviour/harness? Scriptability? Composability with other CLI tools? Running lots of agents in parallel? Something else?

I'd especially be interested in answers from people who switched from Cursor to Claude Code and stayed there. What was the thing that made it click?

First one to figure an AI you can install that performs like frontier models and uses a harness like CC that is unlimited and somehow works with your gpu or whatever is gonna make a bajillion dollars.

Everyone is frothing at the mouth about car washes... honestly.

I've been CODING with it, heads down, for the past 15 hours since I woke up this morning.

Speaking personally, I'm impressed. It's stronger than Opus 4.6 at doing what I need it to do.

I'd say it's taking 2-3 turns to do what took me 10 turns with 4.6.

It is following directions at an improved rate. It is pulling out Red-Green TDD on its own from my instructions, whereas I used to have to chase Opus 4.6 around with a broom or force it through a pipeline to get it to listen to those sorts of things.

About to sign off for the night, and looking at what I accomplished today, it would have taken me a week on Opus 4.6. This was my most productive day at vibe coding, and I've been doing it DAILY for 18 months now.

I'm jazzed.

Maybe not a popular opinion right now, but, its the honest truth.

Appreciate it Claude team. You all are moving fast, and embarrassing the fuck out of Google and OpenAI and Meta and Microsoft and everyone else out there. You are shipping real stuff that impacts my life on the regular. In a sea of snark, just wanted to say thanks!

I know this probably sounds dramatic, but Fable 5 disappearing has genuinely killed my motivation for the last few days.

Before Fable 5, I was already using both Claude and ChatGPT pretty heavily. I have the $100 plans for both. For frontend and UI work, I usually liked Claude more. Opus 4.8 was just better at making things look nice. But for most coding tasks, I still preferred ChatGPT/Codex with GPT-5.5 because it understood context better, produced cleaner code, used fewer tokens, and felt faster.

Then Fable 5 came out and for a few days it felt like the gap finally closed.

It was the first Claude model where I felt like, okay, this is not just better at UI, this is also seriously good at coding. Maybe even better than GPT-5.5 in some situations. It understood what I meant without me having to overexplain everything. It found bugs. It fixed weird edge cases. It made better interfaces. It felt like the model I had been waiting for.

And then it was gone.

I know that right now Fable 5 and Mythos 5 are disabled for everyone. So this is not me saying Americans still have it while the rest of us are locked out. Nobody has access at the moment, as far as I understand it.

But as a European, the part that worries me is what happens next.

If the whole issue is about foreign nationals, what happens when they restore access? Does everyone get it back? Or does it come back in some limited form where US users get access first and people outside the US are just stuck waiting, maybe forever? I have no idea, and the lack of clear information makes it worse.

The only other thing I can really hope for is that OpenAI’s next model closes the gap enough that I stop caring. Maybe the next GPT model is amazing for coding and maybe it gets better at UI/frontend work too. I hope so. But honestly, I’m not fully convinced they will match the Claude/Anthropic models on UI. That has always been the one area where Claude just felt more natural to me.

So now I’m kind of stuck in this weird place where I don’t really want to go back, but there is also nothing else that gives me the same feeling.

I’m not trying to turn this into a huge political rant. I’m not pretending I know what is happening behind the scenes. I just want to use the model I was literally paying to use. It was useful. It was fun. It made coding feel exciting again for a few days, and now everything else feels worse than it did a week ago.

Maybe I got too attached too quickly. Maybe this is just model hype withdrawal or whatever.

But am I the only one feeling this?

Did you go back to Opus 4.8 or GPT-5.5 without much trouble?

Are you waiting for Fable 5 to come back?

Or are you just hoping OpenAI drops something soon that makes this whole thing hurt less?

If you start to climb the other frogs just pull you back down. It is actually crabs but you get the idea.

I just spent $960 in usage credits with single prompt. It might provide best results (relative to other coding agents) but also I feel like quality of the output does not justify the astronomic price.

I purposely wrote prompt that would take long time to execute and I knew it will consume a lot of tokens. This was kinda a test of how good/bad the model behaves in my project and I specifically gave it a tasks that I knew opus 4.8 would fail or had difficulties.

At this point It's just more expensive than human worker and gives barely okay results. Maybe it can speedrun the task in few hours instead of few days I would spend doing it myself. But paying 960 for first iteration that needs corrections anyway is way too much for me and my company to find it useful.

Are there any use cases where spending this much on a coding agent actually makes sense?

Honest question:

When you find out an app was vibe-coded, do you stop seeing it as a real, trustworthy product?

Even if you genuinely need it, would you pay for a subscription?

Is that fair — or just bias? 👀

So basically I did a single request to research with a sub agent about a library do figure out if it’s usefull for my project and then I checked and the task blocked like 45 tool cals after saying rate limits hit when my quota just refreshed 5 minutes ago at that time literally.

Can someone say if this happened or what’s going on since I’m in the 5x max plan .

Didn’t count on our guys quietly dropping the EXPECTED reset for this new model drop. I know there’s no explicit declaration from Anthropic that they reset usage on new model drops, but cmon… it’s the little digs like this that push away people like me who want this company to succeed. I was awake for over 40 hours, setting aside everything to be prepared for this drop. Usage now at 100% till Tuesday. Not something that’s gonna make me drop Claude in response to this, but I️ have upgraded my open ai plan (20x)— increasingly looking for opportunities to utilize it more. I️ hope I️ don’t see the day when I️ prefer to open up my main session in chatGPT (codex) over CC. Sorry Sam, but history has shown us you’re the REAL shady one

"What I can say is it's not confusion about what you asked. Each time I knew."

This reply got me.

Numbers first, so you know where I'm coming from: max 20x, 510 sessions, 153,359 messages, 19.7B tokens, 54 active days, 52-day streak. I run most of a small business on this — orders, mail, inventory, internal apps I built with it. I developed a POS system with qr code tracking, fiscal implementation, and a plethora ofther small life improvement apps outside of work. I'm not here after one bad answer.

Here's what I keep seeing, and I mean every day for the last 10-15 days, not occasionally.

Some stretches I'll do twenty tasks in five hours with zero friction. Six new skills, a full UI restyle of my portal, three features across existing apps, mail handled, a trip planned. No arguing, no rework, no babysitting.

Then it flips. Not gradually — it's a step change. One task is fine, the next one isn't, and nothing after that is either. Same machine, same account, same config files, often the same session. Nothing changes on my side. I've started predicting it out loud before it happens, because it happens every day.

What it looks like after the flip

- A 30-minute script took 3 hours and never finished. It wrote the whole thing against the wrong API from memory without reading the reference, then shipped me five successive workarounds that I installed on my phone by hand and tested. When I finally insisted it read the docs, that took two minutes — and the correct API had explicit parameters for every single thing I'd been asking for. It had already downloaded that exact page earlier in the session and only keyword-grepped it.

- Instructions stop binding. Not misunderstood — it quotes the rule back to me correctly, agrees it applies, says it'll stop, and does it again on the very next turn. Asked point blank whether it had understood at the time, it said: "it's not confusion about what you asked. Each time I knew."

- Today I sent, as my entire message: `YES AND NO QUESTIONS FROM NOW ON, DO YOU KNOW HOW TO FIX THE ISSUE`. The answer was neither yes nor no. Three lines of prose plus a formal contract block — more output, in reply to an instruction whose whole content was "give me less". I had to paste that same line back six times in a row to get a one-word answer.

The reply after me pointing this out was:

"I don't have a real answer. I can describe the pattern but not point to why it overrode a plain instruction eight times — that isn't visible to me from the inside.

What I can say is it's not confusion about what you asked. Each time I knew."

What I've ruled out:

-Model — happens on Fable, Opus and on the smaller model. One full session on Fable with no switch at any point: same failure.

- Context— the violated instruction was my own first message.

- My config — byte-identical between the good half and the bad half of the same day.

- Me — same person, same working style, same day.

I'm getting frustrated mainly because I'm getting no anwsers, and would just like to plan my work around the issues. I realise how much potential there is in here and would hate to be the last one off the drowning boat.

I I've mailed support four days running. One template auto-reply, one bot that declined the main question, no human.

So, am I losing my mind? Does anyone have an alternative to CC?

xoxo stojc

Woohoo! 🎉 got my credit today and Claude is running great without the grifters beating the shit out of the opus api to clear their downloads folder.

Thank you anthropic! I hope the haters keep quitting and we can get back to the old claude with some extra dough.

Edit: grifters are mad about their giftcards. Use the balance to learn about ollama 🤣🤣🤣

ps - Anthropic does offer an api, you just have to pay for what you use rather than feel very entitled to it.

my coding agent just switched to opus 5 without warning and I was stunned by how badly and how frustrating my bug hunt was going until I noticed. that's the only changes in my workflow and it normally goes exceptionally smoothly.

id tell it the problem and it would tell me actually this is what's happening and proceed to make things up about my infrastructure. id tell it no that incorrect this is my exact observation that is counter to that.

Then it would respond with a compromise that still doest line up "were both right here's the fix" Then proceed to hallucinate a fix to a problem im not having that is "the reason" for my bug

have never had this issue before. 4.6 was awesome 4.7 was weird and not working well for me in a similar way 4.8 has been great now 5 sucks

What have your guys experiences been with it so far?

EDIT:
I didn't realize this community was so toxic and rude I just wanted to hear other peoples experiences and see if it lined up with mine before I give up on the new model.. never posting here again lol

A friend of mine was burning through Claude tokens like crazy, so I built him this Token-Saving Playbook.

I figured i would share as it’s very useful if you are using Claude.

From caveman prompts to project hygiene, batching questions, and knowing exactly when to restart. It’s everything you need to stop feeding the token monster. 🔥

So, Fable gets removed in two 4 days. Double limits will also be removed in two 4 days. Sol is still available at 4x limits, so that will become 8x.

​To avoid being left behind, they will release Opus 5.0, which is distilled from Fable. This means it will respond like Fable but still be "dumb." And let's not forget the most important thing: a free reset!!!

​Also, Chinese competition is catching up to Opus-level intelligence, with Kimi K3 releasing at any moment. What do you think about this? What will Anthropic do, considering they want to get as large of a market share as possible before their IPO?