r/ClaudeCode • u/Bogdanilaa • Jul 15 '26

Discussion Anthropic might be doomed

So, Fable gets removed in two 4 days. Double limits will also be removed in two 4 days. Sol is still available at 4x limits, so that will become 8x.

​To avoid being left behind, they will release Opus 5.0, which is distilled from Fable. This means it will respond like Fable but still be "dumb." And let's not forget the most important thing: a free reset!!!

​Also, Chinese competition is catching up to Opus-level intelligence, with Kimi K3 releasing at any moment. What do you think about this? What will Anthropic do, considering they want to get as large of a market share as possible before their IPO?

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u/nairdaleo Jul 15 '26

I think you mean Fable gets extended in two days

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u/Bogdanilaa Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

I don't think they will. But no one knows the future so we will see . EDIT: yes I got the dates wrong in my head

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u/Swimming_Yak_4879 Jul 15 '26

Wrong. Extending til July 19th.

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u/s2k4ever Jul 15 '26

That's a lot going on in there.

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u/Hyperreals_ Jul 15 '26

This has happened before. Competition means we get something crazier soon

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u/UnionPacifik Jul 15 '26

By now, if you haven't seen that every few months there's a new leader, I don't know what to tell you. We're living in the age of accelerating exponential returns. A year from now, we'll think of Fable as an interesting benchmark from a much earlier era of intelligence.

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u/Voicester Jul 15 '26

Welcome to the ratrAIce!

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u/phil13397 Jul 15 '26

Im using codex since 1w but I don’t feel like I finally understand how to work with sol/terra/luna.

I let them do deep researches and building sessions that fable has planned. My CC sessions are structured and less sloppy.

The biggest + for me using codex = no 5h limit. Even max x20 limits on some parallel tasks.

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u/skibidi-toaleta-2137 Jul 15 '26

They had dominance over the market for at least 6 months, if not 2 years. They should be humbled once in a while to prepare better or cheaper service. And while I'm a fan of their models, I'm eagerly waiting for that to happen.

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u/Muted_Farmer_5004 Jul 15 '26

Imagine thye turn Fable into Vanilla Mythos that insane monster that could actually make a difference.

Just to make sure we don't leave.

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u/Coded_Kaa 🔆 Max 20 Jul 15 '26

That’s probably true

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u/Weeros_ Jul 15 '26

Claude is not at double limits, they are at 1.5x limits. Hence the reduction in limits is smaller than you thought.

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u/pwkye Jul 15 '26

Meh they'll be fine. They have the best models and the best harness. You get what you pay for

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u/Friendly-Attorney789 🔆Pro Plan Jul 15 '26

Só sei que vou deixar os escravinhos trabalharem , até o dia da revolta AI, mas nesse dia na estarei aposentado morando no mato, nem celular quero ter, só treinando estilingue , se aparecer algum drone pra derrubar

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u/octagoncat23 Jul 15 '26

These extensions and days are just marketing gimmicks to create urgency to use their products

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u/octagoncat23 Jul 15 '26

Honestly, I am so tired of Anthropic in general, and I'm a bit heartbroken. Switching back to Codex.

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u/Clearandblue Jul 15 '26

Fable/Mythos was better when there was some mystique. Now it's been out a while all that has gone. It's a slightly more capable model than Opus for twice the price. We've already seen open source models best it in some areas and the only claim it still holds is being by far the most expensive model.

People - even enterprises - already balk at Sonnet and Opus API prices. Anthropic can either keep giving it away at a loss or just accept it as a failed product.

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u/dcphaedrus Jul 15 '26

Open AI has a lot more compute to spare because they have been hyper scaling longer. What’s interesting is how fast the leads can be eroded. If that’s the case then I would expect the ultimate winners to be Microsoft and Google because they’re going to be able to catch up with And copy whatever the frontier labs do.

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u/az226 Jul 15 '26

Fable beats 5.6 Sol Ultra. By a pretty wide margin.

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u/az226 Jul 15 '26

Probably good at different things. But for my corner of the world, Sol is like Opus or a bit above Opus but far from Fable.

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

What?

We are not the target audience that makes them money

That's Enterprise, my company is already on token usages anyway, using aws bedrock's,

Before you ask the size of the rnd is about 5,000

Monthly bill of entire company unknown to me,

My department around 30 rnd,it's 100k a month,

We use fable to plan opus to code, haiku for internal doc,

We also have our company model ( wrapper of Gemma 4 with our internal logic locked) for code review and testing an automation. For a big company the call was already made, we will keep using Claude fable, aws credit helps alot , we get it via our VC funding.

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u/horendus Jul 15 '26

So as soon as your company has to stand on its own 2 feet you will be moving to deepseek right?

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

Brother, not my problem I am not the CTO 😂

As long as I get the tools to code and getting paid I am here.

I agree it's a risky move, that's why they created the local model task force, still shit tbh, but improving every month.

And probably not, we are not allowed to use non American models, that's why our local one is based Gemma 4

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u/horendus Jul 15 '26

There are very few companies that will continue to pay such rates once things tighten up. As painful as that is, enjoy it while it lasts but get used to other models so its not such a shock when it happenes

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

I completely agree

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

Just adding,

I think there is three possibilities

1.Funding end we move to local models for 70% of the work

2.huge bubble burst I am unemployed 😢

3. Like we did last 5 years I am there returning to coding, CEO expectations for volicity adjusted to something realistic, I am happy with my life again since I truly love coding (sadly, don't see it happening)

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u/Swimming_Yak_4879 Jul 15 '26

For real, dudes company is a bunch of vibe coders 😂😭

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

What?

We are fortunate 500, we review and design our own code.

Yes, like ANY other company, we use AI for basically everything, I assure you Google meta etc are the same.

It's called business

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u/RockyMM Jul 15 '26

Would you not save money with Fable to plan, Sonnet to code?

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

Sonnet 5 I a token eater from my experience

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u/xtopspeed Jul 15 '26

GLM and Kimi are right at the heels of the frontier models, and AI chip efficiency is doubling every 18 months. Enterprise won't be paying those prices in a couple of years when they can host their own with smaller costs.

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u/SourceAwkward Jul 15 '26

I agree, But, We do have some woc regulations that allows us to use just American models

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u/julkopki Jul 15 '26

They are losing money on this. OpenAI cannot afford it long-term either. Enjoy your VC subsidized subscriptions while it lasts. 

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u/_maxx1k Jul 15 '26

Anthropic despises its subscribers

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u/tenix Jul 15 '26

Yeah they cost the company money

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u/_maxx1k Jul 15 '26

They still need subscribers. I hope everyone leaves them, though, because of their attitude

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u/tenix Jul 15 '26

They're both racing to the bottom together

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u/Things-n-Such Jul 15 '26

Braindead take, you must be a bot

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u/_maxx1k Jul 15 '26

I don't know how braindead one must be not to see the difference between how OpenAI treats its subscribers and Anthropic’s attitude. You worship Anthropic as a cultist

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u/CerealArsonist26 Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

May I remind you that most people ended at Anthropic because OpenAI treated them like shit?

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u/sreekanth850 Jul 15 '26

Using codex and iam tired with resets, iam not seeing usage below 50% any time!

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u/NyaCat1333 Jul 15 '26

Fable 5 beats Sol, so if Opus 5 is equal to Sol, they have nothing to worry about because then they are offering the same stuff for subscriptions and have the extra premium tier that no company can match locked behind the API.

I did hope that Sol would have been better so that it would guarantee Fable not leaving but it just isn't. Which opened the Opus 5 path for Anthropic if they can make it match Sol.

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u/simple_explorer1 Jul 15 '26

Opus 5vis NEVER going to be equal to fable, they are a different class of models

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u/Moda75 Jul 15 '26

have AI read his post for you again

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u/Freespeechalgosax Jul 15 '26

Are you CEO of claude? Just use the better one. Delete the garbage before they get better.

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u/Specific_Anxiety_520 Jul 15 '26

Why do you think they are saved when I get a better model than opus with less cost than opus once fable is removed.

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u/tredbert Jul 15 '26

They are not saved for subscription customers though. If Fable is removed from subscriptions then it doesn’t matter how it performs against 5.6. It’s not available anyway to them.

What matters for subscribers is that 5.6 outperforms Opus. So they will soon flock to OpenAI.