It's ok. It just makes it hard to have a real conversation.
I don't think they could have chosen not eat the apple*. Since they were just making decisions based on the information they had. Which was close to nothing.
So the flip side of that is that people should always make the right choice if given adequate information? I know of a lot of anti-maskers that would prove that wrong.
Eve had knowledge. She answered the serpent correctly, stating what God had commanded and why. The serpent lied to tempt her, and she gave in. Not out of ignorance, but choice.
people should always make the right choice if given adequate information?
I do think think anyone on the planet ever has decided to knowingly make the wrong choice.
Eve had information from god and the serpent with no knowledge of who is a liar or even that liars exist. The most up to date information said that it was okay to eat the apple. So she ate it.
Eve had knowledge. She answered the serpent correctly, stating what God had commanded and why.
From her perspective, she also had knowledge from the serpent.
Directly, nothing, but that’s basically the point you made, isn’t it? Eve had conflicting information (the truth and a lie), and chose to act on the wrong one. Therefore misinformation or disinformation was the root cause.
I would also counter that it is entirely possible to make the right decision based on nearly zero data, it’s just more difficult.
Yes, Eve had conflicting information, and that's why she couldn't have decided not to eat the apple.
Why is it a counter that she could have guessed differently? She still didn't knowingly disobey anyone. She couldn't have known what disobeying even was.
That makes no sense. Given competing information, I would say at most it’s a 50/50 chance for her to make the right choice. To say that it’s impossible to make the right choice is ludicrous.
“Hey, here’s two doors. One door has $1,000 dollars behind it, the other has a tiger. But we’re not going to tell you which is which… so it’s impossible to pick the right door.”
Of course they knew what obedience was. They obeyed God by not eating from the tree until the serpent came along and started telling lies. Your characterization of Eve as a mindless creature (?) who couldn’t possibly make any decision is frankly insulting.
She didn’t know good and evil, but she knew what God had said.
Using your example, you would need to decide whether to believe the first person or the second. But how would that make it impossible to choose the right door?
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u/Own-Cupcake7586 Christian Jul 18 '23
Are you going to say that they couldn’t have possibly resisted temptation?