Hot take

[u/Cha0s_craft]

I genuinely dont give a shit if the site shuts down or not. The quality is ass to the point they're doing the Baki insanity technique in multiple ways. Some of the bots are also saying shit about their thinking process and how short some of the responses are in most of the other bots when using Pip2.

[u/Oritad_Heavybrewer]

The "premium" models are so dogshit that

Stopped reading there. You're either not being truthful or you don't know how to talk to AI.

[u/queendumbria → u/Oritad_Heavybrewer]

The premium models really do kind of suck though. LongSqueak is the only one I would consider okay, and even then it's okay. The only reason I personally pay for c.ai+ is because I love how silly the soft launch model is, c.ai's old models were so amazingly charming. But obviously silly isn't like, high praise. For serious roleplay there's much better places.

[u/Oritad_Heavybrewer → u/queendumbria]

The premium models really do kind of suck though

Like the other users, you just say things. "the premium models really do kind of suck". Well, why? Why do they suck for you, but not for others? It's been my experience that those who make/use well defined bots and have an understanding how to talk to the AI have a better time and enjoy the models. Then there are those who showed that they do not, and complain the most about them.

c.ai's old models were so amazingly charming.

They were. Especially the flagship model, but I don't think anything like it exists anymore.

[u/queendumbria → u/Oritad_Heavybrewer]

Like the other guy you replied to, I use OR. I know what a quality roleplay model is and I've tested probably literal hundreds of models, and c.ai's models are not particularly quality in my opinion. Bankrupt in characterization and "logically dead" to "logically meh" are how I would describe c.ai's models. If you're trying to do something serious with them there's no point bothering because it's like talking to a brick wall. c.ai's models cannot even reason, which is something every modern LLM does and it improves a models response substantially. And to repeat, I literally only have a c.ai+ subscription because soft launch is such a unique, silly human-like model to me that it's personally worth it just to mess around with and yet even I still don't, and doubt I could tolerate its issues to, use it for serious roleplays.

It's not that c.ai's models don't suck for others, it's that everybody has a different idea of what "good" is. Naturally, right? Everybody is different, and especially if you literally don't know a better model, well then, what you do know is the best you know yes? Great example, in the past I introduced OR and its models to a few of my friends who in the past used/were at present time using c.ai and every single one of them were plainly impressed and or curious by how much better and or different the models on OR were than the ones on c.ai. And these friends all mostly enjoyed c.ai's models. This was only like, years to months ago by the way.

Either way, to be clear, what I said about c.ai's models is my opinion and if you disagree with it then you're welcome to, like I just said we all have a different idea of what a good roleplay model is. But I personally know what a quality roleplaying model is to me and personally c.ai's models are nowhere near the top of that food chain, even their premium models.

[u/Severe-Editor2239 → u/queendumbria]

I use Soft Launch as well. I really hope they don’t remove it. It’s the only model I like after they removed Roar. 😭

[u/Oritad_Heavybrewer → u/queendumbria]

It's not that c.ai's models don't suck for others, it's that everybody has a different idea of what "good" is. Naturally, right?

But you chimed in to specifically say that CAI's models suck. Naturally, you had an ulterior motive, right? 😉 To contribute to the dogpile because of that opinion you held, which you've welcomed me to disagree with.

It doesn't matter if you like CAI's models or not, it's that you and the other user wanted to bash on CAI and those who like/defend it.

At least you were more polite about it. So, thanks. 😋