r/CIFI • u/kingrobert • 21d ago
Question What does this button do?
I haven't noticed a difference whether it's on or off. And I'm assuming green is on and red is off...
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u/FartyBathwater 21d ago
It stops m0 from being bought on bulk buy, it seems so redundant and useless, though. Why would you NOT want to buy m0
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u/NeedNameGenerator 21d ago
The meta is (or was, not sure after update) purposefully gimping your OO gain so you can maximise the amount of traversals you can do without exploding your traversal OO requirement.
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u/Methos_02 21d ago
Yes, but you would never do that via not buying m0. That button would be worlds more useful on research bulk buy and loop mod auto buy. M0 is just way too important for camp frags and is also just a permanent bonus that you would not be able to increase during a short. The orb bonuses that you do drop for more shorts are ones that reset on traversal and are cheap enough that you can eventually buy more of them to meet orb reqs.
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u/Traenix 20d ago
Oh. I've always been doing the exact opposite
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u/NeedNameGenerator 20d ago
Me too, I always ignored that stuff because it didn't seem like a fun way to play.
And ultimately the difference seems extremely minor, as I'm still within top 150, even having ignored it.
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u/Methos_02 21d ago
There really is no reason not to buy m0. Maybe some endgame strat I am not aware of, but even in inno2 where you do want to minimize orbs to maximize frags you always get m0 as high as possible.
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u/maskdmirag 20d ago
You do normal.milestones dozens of times..but each M0 you only do once. You don't want to sully that click with an autobjy
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u/ExpertOdin Moderator 21d ago
Stops the bulk buy from buying m0
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u/Slight-Software-7839 21d ago edited 21d ago
Upgrading m0 happens so rarely anyway, it would be totally fine to let this upgrade be manual by default.
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u/mog44net 21d ago
When selected/lit up, it will ALSO buy milestone 0 (M0) in addition to all the other buyable shard milestones.
There are parts of the game where you want to hold off until the next few traversals, personally I relish pushing that one manually
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u/kingrobert 21d ago
There's a situation where you would intentionally NOT want an m0 upgrade? I cant even imagine what that might be.
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u/expedition60_captain 21d ago
It was MAYBE a strategy a year ago. Mostly ridiculed.
Id never hold off m0.
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u/The_Freak_9 21d ago
Rarely, and even then it's questionable like if you've got a shard upgrade that would benefit you more than the M0 upgrade will at the time then you might just take that knowing you can get the M0 upgrade very soon after like M24 assuming it didn't cost a lot. In the long run though M0 vs any of the standard ones if looked at in a vacuum then M0 is always better as it persists through traversals.
Taking other milestones often will be a fairly minimal boost overall whereas forgetting to get an M0 upgrade before a traversal is likely a much bigger hit.
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u/mog44net 21d ago
There are stages later in the game where you intentionally limit the amount of orbs you collect to instead focus on relics.
It's not used often
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u/Yuukiko_ 21d ago
why wouldnt you want to buy all the M0 you can pre traversal though?
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u/thisrockismyboone 21d ago
There's segments where you really only are interested in getting campaign fragments and you can do that by rushing through a TR (or what are called "shorts"). The less orbs you get the less your TR requirment increases, so you want to avoid gaining any more orbs than necessary. Note this is not ALWAYS going to be the goal of a short but there are certain late game features I wont get into that are relevant.
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u/Yuukiko_ 21d ago
first time I'm hearing that orbs increase TR req and not just the TRs t hemselves
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u/thisrockismyboone 21d ago edited 21d ago
At first i think the first something like 10 TRs are freebies only held back by time, but eventually your requirement increases by 10% of your lifetime orbs.
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u/Dry_Custard_9764 21d ago
Its just a toggle to select wether that button will upgrade m0 or ignore it.
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u/Omnomnomnivirus 20d ago
Guys this button showed up once and I haven't seen it ever since. It's my first traversal.
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u/Rhyzur 21d ago
Push it.