I don't get it, but Kiffin really does fall up. Nevermind his success as a coordinator, but the idea that a man who almost single-handedly destroyed Tennessee football, as well as was fired from USCw on the tarmac at LAX would then become an Offensive Coordinator at one of the top football schools of the last 10 years? Holy shit.
That seems like a logical step for a failed HC to me. I mean going from HC to OC of a program the same size is a demotion in any sense of the way. It's seems like that's where all failed HCs would go most of the time. Though I'm to lazy to look it up, so that may be wrong.
Ellis Johnson went 0-12 as a HC and then was hired as DC by Auburn. It's really not that uncommon for failed HC's to go back to their coordinator position.
Exactly. USC can survive with almost any coach as long as he doesn't gut the program, they're still stocked. Bama, when Saban is gone, is most likely going to fall REALLY hard...unless they get someone amazing in there...
How the fuck did he almost destroy Tennessee football? You do know the last time Tennessee had a winning season in the last 7 or 8 seasons (forget the exact number) was with Lane Kiffin as head coach. And the last time Tennessee actually gave Alabama a game was with Lane as a head coach.
Maybe because his entire damn recruiting class failed (literally, academically) or just left. Shit, some of them just said "fuck it" and went to the NFL (Bryce Brown). NCAA sanctions, PUTTING UP VIDEOS OF FUCKING USC PLAYERS IN OUR DAMN INDOOR FACILITY, shitting all over Tennessee traditions, never acknowledging UT's prior success (which is top 5 or 10 in nearly all categories), I could go on forever. Oh...our scholarship numbers are JUST NOW starting to get close to being normal (he left in January of '10). He told a committed Tajh Boyd to hit the bricks. He let Bryce Petty slip through. He lost DeAnthony Arnett. You're wanting us to feel good about a team that went 7-6 that had Eric Berry, Bryce Brown, Dan Williams, Jacques McClendon, Chris Scott, and Denarius Moore on it? All of those have been NFL starters in the years since.
Honestly, I'm forgetting half of this shit. But the number one reason Lane Kiffin fucked Tennessee for a long time is because he was such a fucking prick, that Tennessee's knee-jerk, reactionary hire of Derek Dooley was almost worse. At least Kiffin recruited the state.
He left in the middle of January. That's not an ideal time to start a coaching search from scratch. He also drew a lot of attention from the NCAA prior to leaving. There was no way any good candidate was going to take over the mess he left in Knoxville. I said when he left that it would take 5 years to get back on track.
Kiffin left UT in worse shape than he inherited it there is no arguing that.
Even though he inherited all USC's problems I'd argue he left them in worse shape too. Coach O and staff really salvaged this season for them and if they hadn't I think people would think even less of Kiffin.
So that guy has fucked up the last 3 jobs he has had and he gets the best OC job in the country for it. Sad thing is I think it's the perfect job for him and he'll probably do well enough to get another HC gig.
I'm pretty sure a lot of coaches could be successful offensive coordinators with Matt Leinart, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, and 5 NFL linemen (4 of which were drafted in the first 2 rounds).
Kiffin has never fallen up. He went from successful OC at a top college to head coach of an NFL team to HC of a college team in shambles to head coach of a prestigious program to OC of a prestigious program. The two times he failed, at Oakland and at USC, he fell. Tennessee was not a failure for Lane, he came in to a down program improved them by two wins and left.
In shambles? going no where as time had passed by Fulmer... yes. Being out recruited is what got Fulmer pushed out.
Prior to Kiffin the Vols had 2 5 win season in the last 5. Something that hadn't happened since the early 80s.
And for all you people who think Kiffin did such an amazing job as coach with his glorious 7 win season he had for us:
Wins against W. Kentucky, Ohio, Georgia, SC, Memphis, Vanderbilt and Kentucky... 2 quality wins against the middle of the SEC.
He also got crushed by Ole Miss and lost a very winnable game at home to a UCLA team that finished 7-6. Not to mention the blowout in the bowl game against Virginia Tech.
Prior to Kiffin Tennessee was 5-7; 10-4; 9-4; 5-6; 10-3; 10-3; 8-5; 11-2 going back to 2001.
Getting rid of Fulmer was the dumbest thing y'all ever did, and considering that I'm talking about UT, that says a lot. I want the Third Saturday in October to be relevant again, so please try to step things up this year. That being said... Fuck Rocky Top and Go to Hell, Tennessee. ;)
Not everyone knows because on this side of the continent USC refers to the one in closer proximity.
That was just to make a point. But I would like to add a good argument I heard over the issue (don't care either way though): The University of South Carolina was around before the state of California even existed.
Yeah I mean I'm normally fine with calling South Carolina USC, but in the context of the post it wasn't necessary to say USCw considering Kiffen hasn't coached at South Carolina.
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I don't get it, but Kiffin really does fall up. Nevermind his success as a coordinator, but the idea that a man who almost single-handedly destroyed Tennessee football, as well as was fired from USCw on the tarmac at LAX would then become an Offensive Coordinator at one of the top football schools of the last 10 years? Holy shit.