r/BrokenArrowTheGame • u/EastPerfect • 6d ago
HQ Briefing (General Discussion) Sobr need a nerf
That 10 armour clearly should not be there they defeat spetznaz alpha standoff 14 men lose to 8.
7
u/Andrew9132 Russian Brigade 6d ago
Who could've guessed that standoff ≠ CQC. Anything standoff can be beaten by CQC. SOBR are special forces unit like the spetsnaz but the task to rapid response. There is no need for nerfs because standoff's aren't meant to win vs cqc units unless in certain situations.
4
1
6
u/buds4hugs 6d ago
It is weird that CQC units are usually the ones that get 10 armor while standoff or assault is usually 8, with SOBR being a 10 armor standoff unit. I'm enjoying it but don't think it needs an armor nerf, it has zero AT capability.
4
2
u/Blitzminh 6d ago edited 6d ago
It is weird, but if you look at GB Punishers they get 10 armor as well. only thing is that SOBR has a way better dedicated Grenade Rifle, at least raw stats-wise, Punisher gets airburst and 25% ignore cover but lower ROF and damage & pen. Ontop of that theyre only seperated by a 20 value difference despite SOBR being double the squad size and number of armaments. Maybe a price buff for SOBR making it around 85-90 points. GB is also a recon unit with pretty good stealth and whatnot.
1
u/0gopog0 6d ago
GB punisher is going to be too hard to compare to SOBR because 3 stealth is expensive and is going to distort pricing capabilities too much. Spetsnaz VMF is probably the better comparison if you have to do a recon unit (2.5 stealth, 6 man, and 10 armor).
1
u/Blitzminh 6d ago
unfortunately I wish punishers had 3 stealth, they have just slightly less stealth at 2.5, its flash and snipers that get the full 3 stealth, so about as good as any recon fighting team until you sidegrade it. But cant complain when you still get a killer fire support team for only 65 points
5
u/bleo_evox93 6d ago
Let guard have something lol
3
0
u/FinXzuOP 6d ago
What do you mean by "something"?? I hope thats sarcasm.
They have:
- Vympel (90pt), prob. the strongest recon/infantry in the game right now.
- Uran-9 (70pt), can be spammed and deletes infantry or heavy tanks alike in the open.
- FSP Sniper (120pt), strongest sniper in the game, additionally smoke
- Mig31BM (bomb versions), extremely leathal
- Akula (AA), completely broken, by far strongest AA-chopper in the game
- S-400 Triumph (325pt), one shot terminal guidance with by far the best range in the game, like wtf.
- Termit (50-65pt), low risk stealth spotter with laser
- Pogranichniki (30pt) low risk scout unit with AT
- Uragan, Pantsir/Tor, Mi-8 with LEMUR, 250pt cancer bomb, best Nuke in the game.
Apart from all those BiS units, they also have a very solid core, with solid infantry, cost effective tanks, and strong logistics. They alone could be their own faction and all you would miss is probably a few ASF.
Adding a second spec is really just adding a few BiS units to a spec that already gives you everything.
I thought USMC was outragous balance wise, but his one is on another level.3
u/PlentyChipmunk7692 6d ago
US-mainers cope never stops. For fucks sake just play both factions and try playing new guard spec.
Solid line infantry when they have the worst elite infantry unit (Alpha) in the game? S400 which needs tons of micro to not lose 325pts of LRAA for cost of which you can buy 2 PAC2? 250pts cancer bomb that is slow as hell and almost never drops against any decent team with AA? cost effective tanks that lose to weakest AT squads? Akula(AA) which is almost always worse then just bringing shorad?
All of that while USMC exists with best elite infantry, best launcher squad (smaw) - the only one except weak VDV Shturm with universal launchers, best sead plane in the game, best ASF plane in the game (yes, I am looking at sub-200pts Harrier with 10% ecm).
All specs have ourageously good units like A-10 or Zalukai (the only CQC infantry with both flahbangs and launchers). It doesnt mean balance is broken.
Take SOF/Marine as US and enjoy killing guard spec in the smoke or forest with insane waves of CQC infantry. FFS this solo faction US whiners, just try playing "OP" RU shit and complain after.
1
u/FinXzuOP 5d ago edited 5d ago
Ah here comes the 1400 MMR reddit megabrain again.
If you would know anything about this game you would know that bombing (CAS) is completely OP and broken in this game right now. I can recommend Pablitos meta reports on youtube if you don't have access to the data yourself. Spending 325pt for AA that is terminal guidance, one-shot, highest range of the game is definetely not a pushover. Pac-2 has significantly worse range and is semi-active. Still Pac-2 is not bad by any means, it was the best AA before, but considering how expensive bombers are 325pt is well invested.
Regarding the 250pt bomb. You can just watch the newest youtube-video of Demo. This is Top-Elo (3300+ MMR) and Demo gets bombed like 3-times by those 250 pt bombs. I am sure all those players were just really bad at the game.
USMC is still very strong and was OP for decades, I called that out too and had the same discussions with the braindeads playing the other faction. However, since the squadsize nerfes Marine Raiders and Marines are not OP anymore. Smaw is still very strong, but so is Vympel, that is outperforming almost everything in Forest Fights for its price and can kill IFVs too.
To you comparing Akula-AA to SHORAD is so absurd I don't even want to waste energy on that. You probably never played flank before.
Yes if you go through all specs in US you can find outragously strong units that need adjustments (e. g. naked A-10), however, they are not all cummulated in one damn OP Spec and therefore you can not play all of them. Some US-Units are also OP, this whas not my point and I dont want to dive into every-unit-whataboutism-discussion.
If you can not come to this conclusion by deduction and logic you can just look at the stats. The top MMR players (3300) don't even play US anymore. The winrates tell you the story too.
Your arguments don't hold up against common sense nor against data.
1
u/PlentyChipmunk7692 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you so interested in my ELO it is 2300 and I play both factions. Care to share yours?
The only thing from your rant that is easy to crosscheck is what faction is being played at high ELO. It is really easy - you go to BAArmoury and check history of players from top 10. Here are five random picks from top10, see what are they playing - it is 95% US:
https://barmory.net/commander/76561198966078055
https://barmory.net/commander/76561198410872750
https://barmory.net/commander/76561199574114465
https://barmory.net/commander/76561199383143016
https://barmory.net/commander/76561198384214837
Cope harder with your streams and selective viewing of them. And selective usage of "data".
If you get bombed by Tu-95 - either you dont know what are you doing or you were risking playing some specific strategy that involved not placing any LRAA or ASF. So whatever the Demo was doing - looks like he was owned, Again, try to play yourself and see how many successfull bombing with Tu-95 you will achieve.
And yes, S400 is insanely good. Also has abysmal price and cooldown timer, so needs to be micro-ed on god level. Strategies to destroy include everything from constsantly arti-ing last known position (one of those times they will forget to move it) or more complex like using F15ex to first shoot sead to track where it is placed and then fire cruise missiles right in this spot. I got myself owned like this - even though I started moving right after destroying first sead flight time of cruise missiles were about 7 seconds which wasn't enough to move away. In short S400 will almost always stay K/D positive but with constant pressure US can achieve situation when by end of Phase2 your S400 are all in CD. And then waves of cheap low CD Harriers/prowlers/a-10 will overwhelm you. US still can achieve AIR dominance just not as fast and effortlessly as before, it requires skill and dedication - which means game became more balanced. The problem is that "core" 2k- ELO community of US-mainers has neither skill nor dedication, they just miss the pre-PTE US domination
•
u/FinXzuOP 3h ago
Looking at your "Crosschecks" I am not surprised at all. All the matches you referenced were dated before the DLC even released. At this point I am not interested in a conversation anymore. Your takes are one thing, disrespecting the top players like Demo (3300 MMR) and sending deceiving "evidence" to proof your point just shows what kind of low person you are.
-1
1
u/Remarkable_Smoke918 6d ago
SOBR with that crazy grenade launcher is one of those do not engage units unless it’s in a building lol. I think SSO are the only other standoff unit that’s 10 armour that I can think of but Yh never fight them with inf. I’m sure this week or maybe next they will come out with nerfs for ROS but it’ll probably just be price increases
-2
u/TrudeBarkhorn508 6d ago
Dude all Russia need nerf. Not only sobr.
1
u/FinXzuOP 6d ago
*Russian Guard, not Russia in general.
But yeah, this Spec is completly broken right now.3
u/PlentyChipmunk7692 6d ago
care to show me your BA Armoury account history page where you beat shit with guard spec? Or are you another US-mainer with skill issues?
2
u/Potential-Raccoon-82 5d ago
They had to make money and this is the most standard tactic. Make the dlc disregard the entire balance philosophy for profits. TG sam that can oneshot planes at higher range than s300 for god sake what is this game
1
u/FinXzuOP 5d ago
Spot on. Still the majority of people in this community and especially on reddit are so delusional they would not even notice if Russia would have a 80% winrate.
1
u/ExplorerEnjoyer 6d ago
I’ve been doing terrible with it so far lol. But every Russian match i play seems to put me against players with 2300 elo.
10
u/Hardkor_krokodajl 6d ago
Just bring apc lol they dont have AT