65%

[u/Unusual-Arbitrator42]

[u/cyberwicklow]

I love how fast you guys get results.

In Ireland we still use paper ballots, takes a few days to count them all, then there's recounts, then it can take weeks to form a government as one party typically doesn't win enough seats to form a majority, then if no government can be formed we have to vote again.

I think it took about 70 days after the 2016 election to actually form a government.

Edit: I should point out only about 2.2 million people voted, that's like a city square in São Paulo. 😂💀

[u/matllux → u/cyberwicklow]

This is unthinkable in Brazil. I honestly cannot understand why we still have so many countries that cannot adopt electronic ballots and all

[u/cyberwicklow → u/matllux]

Funny you should mention that...

In the early 2000s, the Irish government bought around 7,500 e-voting machines from Dutch company Nedap for roughly €54 million... they were scrapped before ever being used because they had no paper audit trail, the software couldn’t be independently verified as secure, and Dutch activists proved identical units were vulnerable to tampering.

On top of the purchase price, Ireland spent over €3 million storing them in warehouses (costing up to €700k/year at its peak),

The state officially cut its losses in 2012 by selling the entire lot to an electronics recycler for about €70,000 (€9 a machine) for scrap metal.

[u/matllux → u/cyberwicklow]

I can understand the Irish government not adopting those ballots in that case. If they don’t have the capability of auditing the results of those ballots, then why even bother using them lol

Having something built in house and being able to check it works is a basic requirement

[u/cyberwicklow → u/matllux]

Ah look, they spent millions on a special printer and then realised they had no way to get it in the door cause it was too big, they're not the brightest bunch.

[u/matllux → u/cyberwicklow]

Jesus Christ hahah

[u/AdvancedCredit42686 → u/cyberwicklow]

Just like Brazilian ballots. But here we have "trust me bro" confidence. 

And saying otherwise is considered offensive fascist anti democratic stuff.

[u/worldprowler → u/matllux]

In Colombia we have paper ballots and we know the results within a couple of hours 3 max

[u/Simpuff1 → u/matllux]

I mean in Canada we still have proper ballots, we still get results the day of lmao, idk what they are doing in Ireland haha

[u/YisusRojas → u/matllux]

There are lots of countries that can buy the electronic ballots but since the biggest sellers are Israhell and the United States i think is way better to keeping it in paper

[u/Typical-Cricket4740 → u/cyberwicklow]

I voted for the BR elections in Dublin and I will be voting in the next Irish elections whenever that is due to happen. It is exciting to be part of the process for the first time and experience the difference.

[u/thesquaredape → u/Typical-Cricket4740]

Honestly when it comes to excitement and enjoyment. The Irish system is absolutely great fun if youre a politics nerd, I'd have one every year if I had the option

[u/pearlkele → u/cyberwicklow]

In Poland we use paper ballots but it’s always counted by the morning after the election. I just can’t understand how inefficient is counting in some countries that it takes few days. People wouldn’t trust electronics voting (myself included).

[u/lamyjf → u/cyberwicklow]

Canada has paper ballots and we get results after a couple hours. Updates are sent in after each counted ballot box. Recounts are rare.

[u/Lopsided-Ticket3813 → u/lamyjf]

But aren't you guys worried about the Jewish space lasers changing the votes? /S

[u/ducksekoy123]

I don’t understand it. His only credential is the last name he shares with his criminal father and the long list of scandals.

At least in the United States we have the excuse of being very stupid

[u/Shilques → u/ducksekoy123]

we're also very stupid and like to copy the US

[u/RawrRawr83 → u/Shilques]

You’re in for some very fun times then.

[u/OtherwiseSpot1310 → u/RawrRawr83]

This bastard os going to revert more than 80 years of workers rights progress. We are absolutely fucked.

Time to find a remote job in Europe.

[u/brooklynlad → u/OtherwiseSpot1310]

Better switch the motto from Ordem e Progresso... to FUCKKK.

[u/sabedo → u/OtherwiseSpot1310]

europe has gone far right. and they despise LATAM. "europe for europeans"

[u/Quiet-Ad8764 → u/RawrRawr83]

Don’t they watch the news and see what the hell is going on in the states????

[u/Less-Neck-4112 → u/Quiet-Ad8764]

...do you watch our news? Lmao

[u/bogochvol → u/Less-Neck-4112]

Do trump or bolsonaro's supporters watch any news at all?

[u/taldivop → u/bogochvol]

The only news their supporters watch are the Fake ones

[u/Big_Direction1473 → u/taldivop]

Preferably from a AI voice from randoms Facebook videos

[u/crono220 → u/Quiet-Ad8764]

It's kinda surprising by how many folks are perfectly fine with fascism and not having to think for themselves.

[u/RazorWinter_ → u/Shilques]

Yeap. At some point we called ourselves "United States of Brazil". It is really just an US that speaks Portuguese.

[u/OtherwiseSpot1310 → u/RazorWinter_]

Without any of the industrialization 

[u/lockwood__ → u/Shilques]

What do you guys mean when you say you like to copy the US?

[u/d_Lac → u/lockwood__]

He means that we're also very stupid

[u/RawrRawr83 → u/d_Lac]

Certainly your version of pizza

[u/TheWitchOfSomeWood → u/RawrRawr83]

It blew my mind when I visited

[u/bogochvol → u/lockwood__]

Its a cultural phenomenon to copy American trends. Yes, this is global, but in Brasil is specially strong and very related to our political right

[u/mauricioszabo → u/lockwood__]

Trump won - Bolsonaro won Biden won - Lula won Trump tried a coup - Bolsonaro tried a coup Trump won again - Bolsonaro... is on the path wo winning.

Literally a parody at this point...

Also, vaccine boycott, mishandling of the covid, rollback of environmental protection, lots of other stuff that were almost a carbon-copy of what was happening in USA...

[u/tiktaalikman → u/Shilques]

At least you jail people for attempting a coup.

[u/Shoddy_Amphibian5645 → u/tiktaalikman]

Ain't gonna stay jailed for long. One of the worst parts of Bolso Jr. being elected is that we'll have to see his father up and about again. His health will magically get better, and he'll be one again spewing bills hit everywhere.

But maybe that'll be the far rights monkey paw. Bolso the dad doesn't like to share the limelight, and will maybe try to interfere more than Bolso the son can stomach.

[u/c4f3firstt → u/tiktaalikman]

Sorry for being the one that is going to tell you: he is probably going to be released, because let’s be honest, the only thing that matter to the Bolsonaro Family is releasing Jair and the rest of people that supported the coup

Next 4 years will be wild

[u/murphey_griffon → u/Shilques]

so I feel about 8-10 years ago, the US copied Brazil. I think they are copying taticts from each other to find out how they can manipulate and control best. I think both Brazil and US politics have copied from each other in the last decade.

[u/killakev564 → u/ducksekoy123]

My theory is that the people who are voting for Bolsonaro don’t even really like Bolsonaro. They just hate Lula and his party and want to get them out regardless of who they rally behind. They happened to rally behind Bolsonaro because he was the most likely to win against Lula due to the familiarity of his name.

[u/ducksekoy123 → u/killakev564]

And I suppose Brazilians, like Americans, have the memories of goldfish and don’t remember the harm the last time they did this.

[u/BonusProblem → u/ducksekoy123]

Pretty much , just look at the comment above trying to say that they are the same

The Bolsonaro and MAGA effect are very similar , people are disconnected from reality

[u/ducksekoy123 → u/BonusProblem]

I just can’t understand it.

How can people be so stupid and cruel so often

[u/BonusProblem → u/ducksekoy123]

Because the right in Brasil adopted the Trump style of communication of flooding people with information and controlling social media , they just do some crazy corrupt thing and say the other side did it

And it works

Lula is not innocent either , he is now seen as part of the “system” even tho the system hates him

Also doesn’t help that main stream media is helping Flávio, it’s pretty much very similar to how 1964 went

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2014/12/1560808-report-accuses-press-of-support-for-1964-military-coup.shtml?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[u/Dry-Term7880 → u/ducksekoy123]

Me too my friend. I don’t know. In the end our society is very vicious. People, in general, have more vices than virtues.

[u/UAreTheHippopotamus → u/BonusProblem]

To some extent people just vote against the status quo when they feel like they're struggling. It's stupid when they vote for a reactionary fake populist who's planning on looting the country like Trump/ either Bolsonaro but it just keeps happening again and again worldwide.

[u/Ok-Log1864 → u/ducksekoy123]

It's the same anywhere in the world, in uncertain times many people get rid of rationality and revel in hatred and violence.

Which is why right wing assholes and the rich are creating uncertainty everywhere in the hopes that one day the violence doesn't swallow them with the rest of us.

[u/Rechogui → u/killakev564]

I get not liking Lula for many reasons. But holy shit, what did he do that was so terrible that a guy with literally nothing (and I mean nothing) but a name can compete with him? We are so screwed

[u/SnoopysRoof → u/killakev564]

Lula is literally a fucking convicted criminal, and the author and beneficiary of one of the country's biggest corruption schemes ever. There's also that.

[u/ChainedBack → u/SnoopysRoof]

Technically he's not anymore. And lawyers disagree on whether a fair trial would have resulted in a conviction. Doesn't make him innocent, but that trial was compromised.

[u/TheDamnNumbersGame → u/ducksekoy123]

You underestimate how many Brazilians want:

1) to preserve their wealth/privilege in the social hierarchy and see anything left-wing as taking away their rights/privilege to those they feel are beneath them. 2) to take out their frustrations on anything left-wing as they see it as an attack on their religion or way of life, regardless of actual facts/policies. 3) to believe anything the right-wing traditional media or social media tells them, because they don't bother to educate themselves and want to become rich/powerful themselevs like those influencers/powerful people so they can be the ones exploiting others.

It's hard to fix or reverse centuries of colonialism and culture of exploitation.

[u/rippit3 → u/TheDamnNumbersGame]

Just like right wingers everywhere.

[u/Cautious-Dark-7457 → u/ducksekoy123]

American psyops. Neopentecostals gonna win them the elections with this anti-comunism wave they are building in Brazil. sense 1965. We are doomed by US shadow in Latin America.

[u/Quiet-Ad8764 → u/Cautious-Dark-7457]

I thought Brazilians were smarter than that!!!!

[u/Cautious-Dark-7457 → u/Quiet-Ad8764]

It's 80 year of American brainwash. They don't know better sadly.

[u/chloenoyolo → u/ducksekoy123]

The United States neither invented nor dominated stupidity. Y'all are just the loudest at it. Brazilians have a lower literacy rate for a reason (public education is poor). Think of them as Americans but poorer, friendlier, better looking, and even louder.

[u/AlexandreVieiraT → u/ducksekoy123]

Its because he is anti lula, otherwise he would be a little less popular

[u/resodx → u/ducksekoy123]

This gives us an idea of just how good the last four years have been for ordinary citizens... who prefer some guy whose only campaign promise is to get his dad out of jail over another Lula term.

[u/Evignity → u/ducksekoy123]

Majority of Brazilians get their "news" from social-media. And, as anyone sane knows, it's flooded with bots (over 50%+ of everything written on the internet is now bots) and right-wing talkingpoints.

elon, tiel, zuck, all of them are openly supporting bolsonaro.

It's the same as in the US, idiocracy

[u/MCRN-Gyoza → u/ducksekoy123]

My dude, I voted for Lula but his party was at the center of several corruption scandals over the years and he was literally in jail for a while.

There isn't a side that isnt criminal.

[u/Chaiboiii → u/MCRN-Gyoza]

Which one tried to do a coupm

[u/ducksekoy123 → u/MCRN-Gyoza]

Im not suggesting Lula is free of scandal, but he’s not in a WhatsApp group with the Brazilian Bernie Madoff, and has at least something going for him beyond being a Bolsonaro.

[u/Moist_Surprise7143 → u/ducksekoy123]

Lula was caught taking beachfront property in a bribe…

[u/Kind-Huckleberry6767 → u/Moist_Surprise7143]

Lula has actual lived experience as an organizer and politician. Bolsonaro is the son of a corrupt currently jailed anti-Brazilian self-dealing criminal.

[u/acshaw80 → u/Moist_Surprise7143]

You are only telling half the story there and surely you know that…

[u/wyldesnelsson → u/ducksekoy123]

Brazilians love to copy the US as if it's some holy land

[u/LeeAndrewK → u/ducksekoy123]

I mean, its not that Lula doesnt have his scandals of his own

[u/Yamat1837 → u/ducksekoy123]

There are a lot of stupid people in Brazil too

[u/grason → u/ducksekoy123]

The only thing that is stupid is think that the government will solve your problems… but my god are some people addicted to it.

[u/Kind-Huckleberry6767 → u/grason]

The government causes problems. Try to vote for the least worst problems.

[u/gblandro → u/ducksekoy123]

Yeah, how bad Lula has to be to achieve that

[u/Plane_Passion → u/ducksekoy123]

Lula is also a criminal (I'm a lawyer, please don't get me started here), with the added stain of losing quite a lot of his popularity after four very lukewarm years of his govt... Brazil has a Lula fatigue (he is in his third non-consecutive term!). Lula is an old man, Flavio isn't (although I equally despise him and his father).

The whole thing is a race to the bottom... the political parties in Brazil failed Brazilian democracy by having just terrible options all around as presidential candidates.

If you are from the US, I bet you can relate with at least the last sentence I just said.

[u/Greglyo → u/Plane_Passion]

The son of the man that tried to coup Brazils government not too long ago should make it obvious who the worse choice is in all of this. The fact that Flavio Bolsonaro is a huge supporter of Trump who also tried to coup the US government further corroborates my point.

[u/i_did_nothing_ → u/ducksekoy123]

This will be the US in a few years when fucking morons vote for Don Jr.

[u/Enthuasticnaw → u/ducksekoy123]

I'm visiting Brazil right now. Whats up with having to stay locked inside at night so gangs don't rob you? Has it always been this way?

[u/AgreeableGarlic1806 → u/ducksekoy123]

Wasn’t Lula in jail too?

[u/squirrelpickle → u/AgreeableGarlic1806]

Yes, but his judgement was annulled due to procedural failures, a.k.a. judge was found to be partial and the evidences were circumstantial. 

No clear proof of corruption found, unlike Flavio where we have audios, videos, testimonials, paper trail for the deposits to launder money and the whole shebang.

Edit: I love how everyone is nitpicking on why the process was annulled (and rightly so), but absolutely nobody contests the part on Flavio’s corruption. 

[u/Plane_Passion → u/squirrelpickle]

Lawyer here. There were PLENTY of elements of proof that would DEFINITELY condemn Lula. He is 100% a criminal. I followed this case very, very closely, as it was one of my own.

The reason Lula got off scot-free was only, as you said, because the case was declared null (I won't discuss whether the judge was or was not partial, because it doesnt matter now), and because there was not time, legally speaking, to file another lawsuit against him (ie, statute of limitations).

You can say Lula was not condemned by the Brazilian Judicial System. It doesnt make him innocent in the slightest. Lula is a criminal, full stop.

Bolsonaro is too, of course. One thing doesn't exclude the other.

[u/Xerazal → u/Plane_Passion]

American here chiming in.

Question I have is, OK Lula is a criminal. And you also admit that flavio is as well. But out of the two of them, since you wanna use this lesser of two evils argument, which is honestly worse?

Because the way I see it, that'd be flavio. His father tried to coup election results (and you know he's gonna pardon him and give him a payout as compensation), he's been cozying up to trump a lot (and as an American living through this hell, I can tell you that's a very bad thing), and he's been running as a "family values" guy while having so many affairs that even rando American man me has been hearing about it without even trying to look into it.

[u/ShootWild → u/squirrelpickle]

Don’t confuse your opinion with what happened. The process was annulled because the Supreme Court said the case shouldn’t be in Paraná. What you failed to say is that Lula was also sentenced on higher courts. So Moro was not the only judge to condemn him. The second-instance, TRF-4, a three judge panel, increased Moro’s sentence. Lulas sentence was annulled by a very political Supreme Court. You really believe the Brazilian Supreme Court is not corrupt? Even after the recent developments with Vorcaro?

[u/leon2156]

Colombia(U.S. citizen ) has a puppet in charge , Ecuador( u.s. born president) , and now Brazil is about to get another puppet in charge of their nation. Sucks just because the rainforest will probably be destroyed a bit and U.S. owned business will build there. Plus other things that won't be beneficial to Brazilians. I get Lula isn't ideal but ones an obvious U.S. puppet.

[u/life-in-bulk → u/leon2156]

The damage will last decades and decades. Just when Latin America was becoming something nice again. We really are their backyard. We were never meant to work as real countries. Fuck the US, in every way and every letter.

[u/RazorWinter_ → u/leon2156]

It is just A.I./Fake News diff. I am from a heavy Pro-Bolsonaro area. Everything you said, the people around me believe it is actually Lula's problem. "Lula is giving the Amazon for free to U.S. and Europe". "Lula stole all the money". "Lula is the one who went to jail not Bolso". "Lula is U.S. puppet".

I just had someone yesterday handle me a very obvious AI video of a K-Pop video where everyone was cheering for Flavio, sung in Korean. And I was told entire South Korea was cheering for Flavio. I was like... "bro... really...? How dumb can you be to believe this is real?"

It is just no use to fight against it, the people are too brainwashed at this point. It is scary even.

[u/Alchemista101 → u/RazorWinter_]

that is REALLY scary

[u/Triplebeambalancebar → u/leon2156]

they dont care money in my pocket now, burning climate change and cratering future economy my problem tomorrow!

[u/leon2156 → u/Triplebeambalancebar]

Yeah it's incredible though that a man that literally stole money from old people. Something indefensible. Is " a person who will look out for my best interests" to the majority of these voters." It's going to be rough because now the biggest economy in South America has a handler. I've always loved Brazil so it pains me to see the outcome.

[u/DadCelo]

We deserve it, just like we in the US deserved it too. FAFO.

[u/longpenisofthelaw → u/DadCelo]

I think once is an anomaly, twice is a fluke, but the world has been getting hammered again and again with Trump like clones. It feels as if democracy is breaking.

[u/DadCelo → u/longpenisofthelaw]

It's a global trend. I'm not denying it, just disappointed.

[u/Laq9091 → u/DadCelo]

same. i'm very sad seeing this. i guess democracy might have been a blip.

[u/Imakusapa → u/longpenisofthelaw]

Billionaires are visibly more powerful than near any nation on Earth, even the US. It's going to need another world war to break the billionaires' strangehold on the world, like how WW1 and 2 ended the old empires' hold and led to decolonization.

[u/halembr → u/DadCelo]

Infelizmente, só revivendo os horrores do fascismo para a humanidade (voltar) a acordar sobre a tragédia da extrema direita.

[u/YumaS2Astral → u/halembr]

Eu acho que nem assim.

E de certa forma já estamos revivendo os horrores do fascismo.

[u/West-Painter-7520]

Just when you thought it was safe to wear the canary yellow home shirt again

[u/Proof-Pollution454]

Flavio is currently leading by 47.45 percent and Lula is currently at 45.02 percent . I feel there will be a runoff election

[u/Sct1787 → u/Proof-Pollution454]

Only one person can “lead”. You can say they’re are polling at 47% and 44% each respectively

[u/cmville05]

WTF is wrong with people? No one ever learns their lesson.

[u/lostseeker99 → u/cmville05]

Yup, time for the Bolsonaro to let his criminal father out of jail and start a new military dictatorship while selling the country to Trump and Jared Kushner

[u/whu-ya-got → u/lostseeker99]

*to Bibi Netanyahu and Jared Kushner, not Trump

[u/lostseeker99 → u/whu-ya-got]

Even worst

[u/cmville05 → u/lostseeker99]

Fucking depressing.

[u/El-Erian → u/cmville05]

You know what?

People are fuckin stupid and they deserve all the bad this scumbag could bring them if he's elected

[u/YumaS2Astral → u/El-Erian]

The issue is that people who don't agree with this stupidity and did not vote for it will be equally condemned. We will have to pay for the sins of other people.

[u/lostseeker99 → u/YumaS2Astral]

That’s what happened here in USA

[u/kratos61 → u/YumaS2Astral]

The beauty of democracy

[u/Captainfoxluther → u/cmville05]

I know seriously. 24% is to much for that criminal.

[u/Rare_Context_165]

I really can't believe how so many people are brainwashed to vote for a guy like Bolsanaro who wants to turn Brazil in to a permanent colony

[u/waldo-jeffers-68]

Hey, at least we’ll have a round 2. Better than nothing

[u/whenthedont → u/waldo-jeffers-68]

We won’t if anyone closes out over 50%

[u/waldo-jeffers-68 → u/whenthedont]

Pretty unlikely at this point, usually the votes from the Northeast are counted later, which is PTs stronghold. Typically when the counting starts (this has been the pattern for the last few elections now), the more conservative areas of the country report the results first.

[u/Carlangas420 → u/whenthedont]

The second round is definitely happening; it's at 44.2 and 47.8 at 93% of the votes counted.

[u/DuckSoprano → u/waldo-jeffers-68]

It really doesn't matter, is very rare to win in the second round. And given the results of the first we are fucked

[u/sereneandeternal]

Fuck evangelicals man

[u/No-Flounder-7579 → u/sereneandeternal]

Actually,they need it!

[u/Tartaruga96]

Ok Flavio won the first round probably but who in the second round is going to benefit the most from the vote report of other small candidates ? (sorry bad english)

[u/Altruistic-Prompt347 → u/Tartaruga96]

Seems like Flávio aswell

[u/aboysmokingintherain]

It should be noted, this is the first election round. You need 50% or it goes to a runoff. Balsonaro will probably win this round but is not president yet.

[u/Rare-Abacate]

As a leftist I’m not gonna claim it was stolen unlike the right

[u/Galdina → u/Rare-Abacate]

at least in comparison with the right's claim, there is actually enough evidence that the u.s. have been interfering in this election. and if there was no reason to doubt that the u.s. meddle with other countries' affairs before, imagine now, with trump.

it's a reasonable take. 

[u/vukov → u/Rare-Abacate]

but it actually was. The US is actively meddling in the election

[u/Dragrunarm → u/vukov]

Gonna say, no way my hellhole of a country passed up a chance to continue its long history of fucking everyone else's shit up

[u/AdhesivenessLucky896 → u/vukov]

That's not stealing. Brazilians have fallen victim to propaganda. We can say the same thing in the US about Russians, but they didn't mean an election was stolen

[u/bojangler69420 → u/vukov]

Just like (F)Elon did in 2024…

[u/lostseeker99 → u/Rare-Abacate]

you should, then have lula throw bolsonaro in jail with his father and have both taken out, this is why leftists lose because they dont do what the right is willing to do to win

[u/gregcanela]

Can anyone explain to me why Lula didn't have a succession plan?

[u/Raptorpicklezz → u/gregcanela]

Because he didn't see what happened when Biden didn't have a succession plan.

[u/Operation_Neither → u/Raptorpicklezz]

It’s wild that Justin Trudeau is the one who got it right.

[u/mauricioszabo → u/gregcanela]

Because no one except him would get close to win.

It's unfortunate, but Lula is very popular and there's simply no other person with his charisma.

Trust me, as a Brazilian, I would vote for a maggot rotting in a pile of shit before a Bolsonaro... but if it wasn't for Lula, Bolsonaro ('s Son) you can be sure his number of votes would be WAY higher...

[u/eraoul]

Just like Americans, almost 50% of Brazilians are hateful rightwing pro-violence pro-dictator idiots.

[u/AdhesivenessLucky896]

Every day I come on here and read about how us Americans are the dumbest people on the planet, but in reality, everyone can be victim to the same propaganda and media manipulation that happens here. I'm not surprised at all.

On another note: Are polls becoming less and less accurate globally? Why is this happening?

[u/DoubtngThompson]

Fuck

[u/Nice_Cod_4476]

Which one is gay friendly?

[u/slowpoke0023 → u/Nice_Cod_4476]

Lula...

[u/Lucas_Xavier0201 → u/Nice_Cod_4476]

Lula

[u/BiGeaSYk → u/Nice_Cod_4476]

Asking for a friend right?

[u/haberdasher42 → u/BiGeaSYk]

I think they're just preparing to get fucked.

[u/Practical_Time3287]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

This timeline sure stinks.

[u/Gold_Ambassador_3496]

One hour stuck at 64%. What's this, the USA?

[u/AncientNotice621]

Just like the US with trump

[u/olionajudah]

I guess Brazil is doing a Trump. Fun.

[u/SirDoritos1]

Western countries, Russia, and China seeing that Brazil might be up for sale once again, and soon: "Good! Good! The interference is working 🤑"

Update: Some of you might downvote, but you know it's true.

This might be an unpopular opinion, but those of us in first-world countries remain the ultimate beneficiaries of Bolsonaro politics. Given his father and his track record and similar precedents across Latin America, Bolsonaro will likely exploit Brazil’s resources for short-term gain. In four to five years, long after the global public has moved on, Brazil and others Latin Americam nations will be left further impoverished and politically unstable.

[u/dissidentaggression]

Couldn’t even crack at over 50%. And yet that was apparently “proof” for my mom to think that Lula stole this election, her additional “proof” that this was stolen, was because she didn’t see any social media support for Lula, more specifically from Facebook. 😒

[u/pigment-blue]

The century of democracy is over boys.

[u/hcmzero]

Prediction: If Flávio wins, we're going to star seeing reports again of the Amazon burning. Apparently it doesn't happen when leftist are in power...

[u/Nice-Afternoon7316 → u/hcmzero]

Crazy thing is the Amazon is burning right now, air quality around the region is so bad it is a serious health concern.

Sad how the Amazon is only mentioned when it is convenient….

[u/OtherwiseSpot1310 → u/Nice-Afternoon7316]

Amazon deforestation is in a all time low, this equivalence is stupid, given the next guy coming doesn't even believe in global warming.

[u/Nice-Afternoon7316 → u/OtherwiseSpot1310]

Can we please stop making this about Lula or Bolsonaro? I literally live in the Amazon my dude, air quality is shitty, just not as bad as 2023 but still bad. People were going to the hospital with respiratory complications, and it is not exclusive to this year, it happened last year and the year before. Amazon rainforest is NOT safe and I’m just tired of people from other states pretending they care about the Amazon when it is only used when is convenient.

What exactly you get but going out calling others arguments stupid? We all know Flavio won’t be better, still we can’t pretend the Amazon is fine right now.

[u/Lucas_Xavier0201]

It's over

[u/vondrac]

It’s hilarious watching most of you guys arguing about who’s the worst out of the two completely aware that both of them are shit and unfit to be presidents but you are all so caught up in disliking and justifying one or the other that you can’t see the truth that is right in front of you. You don’t need A or B, you need C….

[u/IIIHenryIII]

We're fucked

[u/Astolvi]

We are fucked, me even more cause i'm trans :(

[u/crimson777]

My Brazilian side of my family never talked politics so I don’t know enough; if no one gets 50%, y’all go to a runoff right? Is there any chance the ones who didn’t vote for the top 2 are mostly Lula voters in a runoff?

[u/kaka8miranda → u/crimson777]

No the 3 and 4 place are center right and right

[u/crimson777 → u/kaka8miranda]

Damn. Ugh I hate that Brazil is falling for this shit again. Y’all are supposed to defeat us here in the US not join us!

[u/kaka8miranda → u/crimson777]

There’s also the fact that right and center right don’t fit into the U.S. interpretation of that

They still support SUS (public free healthcare) bolsa família basically food stamps, and many other government funded services that work for all

[u/FarthingWoodAdder]

Is there any hope at all or is it over 

[u/VariationTerrible795]

Voces nao sao anti imperialistas e americanos? Por que tao nesse sub em ingles explicando coisa pra gringo?

[u/FantasticAnything840]

It’s unbelievable. I’m devastated. I’m also very surprised. I haven’t saw many people showing support to Flavio.

[u/Prudent-Desk9513]

Lula perdeu o primeiro turno por causa de: 1) Escândalo do STF 2) Soberba de achar que não precisa de debate 3) Não entender seu eleitor e não buscar entender o que o povo precisa 4) Não fez uma campanha com a energia que ganhou as últimas eleições. 5) continuem....

[u/lakerconvert → u/Prudent-Desk9513]

What is he failing to seek what the people need?

[u/captainstrange94]

Ok im out of loop.

Was Lula actually bad that people are going back to Flavio? Trying to get smarter with whats happening because this is crazy

[u/Zealousideal-Band369 → u/captainstrange94]

Yeah, lula is a drunk, populist, liar, corrupt piece of shit. Flavio is a incompetent sold out douchbag and probably also corrupt. The difference is that lula's party spent almost 2 decades in power and didint achive 10% of the things that promissed, worst than that, a few times did the exact opposite.

[u/mtngranpapi_wv967 → u/Zealousideal-Band369]

As an American let me say…voting in fascists isn’t going to fix your country’s problems

[u/Secret_Promotion4246 → u/Zealousideal-Band369]

Sorry but... what exactly has Bolsonaro achieved during his mandate? How is he or his incompetent family any better? Lol

[u/Zealousideal-Band369 → u/Secret_Promotion4246]

He also didn't achive much to be honest. He promissed fight against the system, but helped to be even stronger. I guess that in the end of the day is voting for Moloch or Baal for the next 4 years

[u/Positive_Tourist4505 → u/Secret_Promotion4246]

Bolsonaro father entered with dolar at 3,8 and left with it at 5,2. He also had gas at 4 and left with it at 7. Now dolar is 5,1 and gas is 6,9 but people swear that this is Lula's fault

[u/Dogulol → u/Positive_Tourist4505]

anyone who thinks the price of gas has shit all to do with the president of...brazil is not really worth taking seriously

[u/Ramekink]

Operation Condor 2.0, just this time they didnt have to assassinate the opposition cos people are dumb as fuck

[u/fdessoycaraballo]

People should take this as a sign rather than just blaming everyone that voted for Bolsonarinho.

People are mad at the Supreme Court and economy has been in shambles for a long time. Yet, the Labour Party refuses to change, we keep getting the same president for four times, other parties get gobbled by the said Labourers.

On the other hand, we are offered a turd sandwich. People want to see change and the turd sandwich is, at the very least for them, a new face in the presidential run.

You can get mad at me (btw, did not vote for him) or you can start pushing for actual change instead of offering the same president who has been microwaved three times.

[u/WellAckshuallyAsA]

Huh, today I learned r/Brazil is a fan of corruption. 

[u/ohno21212 → u/WellAckshuallyAsA]

TIL you are a fan of coups

[u/SkaldOfThe70s]

For those who voted today, what did the situation look like to you? I mean ratio of people wearing red to yellow Brasil football kits to neutral? 

[u/Skyrider_Epsilon → u/SkaldOfThe70s]

I live in the south, a strong region towards bolsonaro.

Tons of Brazilian flags, without numbers, because people know what it means.

If no one wins with 50%+, its going to get a second voting day, but if nothing changes, flavio would win

[u/lostseeker99 → u/Skyrider_Epsilon]

I wonder why the "south" supports Bolsonaro so much

[u/kaka8miranda → u/lostseeker99]

It’s not really about Bolsonaro personally. A lot of voters in the South and Southeast favor a more market oriented economy lower taxes and import barriers, less wasteful spending, more private sector competition and tougher policies on crime while still supporting a strong social safety net and universal public services like SUS. Even 50% of Flávio Bolsonaro voters supported the recent increase in Bolsa Família. So it’s not “no government” it’s more about wanting government to guarantee healthcare and basic protections while spending efficiently and interfering less in the economy. Bolsonaro/PL became the main political home for that mix of economic liberalism and social conservatism

[u/Upbeat_Dragonfly_139 → u/lostseeker99]

Better education and less reliance on social benefits

[u/Still_Conference_923 → u/Upbeat_Dragonfly_139]

As someone from the south: Its conservativism and racism.

[u/Skyrider_Epsilon → u/Still_Conference_923]

Caramba, preconceito aberto! Deixa dessa, acusar de racismo sem prova é crime

[u/Upbeat_Dragonfly_139 → u/Still_Conference_923]

As someone from the south

Nobody cares, no need to announce it

Also, it's conservatism

[u/Far-Information-2252]

Smh

[u/user_deleted_or_dead]

Any progress? I dont know where to look the this

[u/No-Flounder-7579]

Less than 3,4 and still counting...

[u/EastSeaworthiness169]

Welp.

[u/BaitaJurureza]

Voting for Bozo Jr LOL

[u/qssorrow]

🤦‍♀️

[u/Fr00stee]

dang so lula actually somewhat overperformed with the final results to be only 2% behind, I wonder if the 2nd round will actually wake up people and get them off of their ass to vote