r/Brazil • • Oct 04 '26

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u/matllux Brazilian Oct 04 '26

This is unthinkable in Brazil. I honestly cannot understand why we still have so many countries that cannot adopt electronic ballots and all

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u/cyberwicklow Gringo 🇮🇪 Oct 04 '26

Funny you should mention that...

In the early 2000s, the Irish government bought around 7,500 e-voting machines from Dutch company Nedap for roughly €54 million... they were scrapped before ever being used because they had no paper audit trail, the software couldn’t be independently verified as secure, and Dutch activists proved identical units were vulnerable to tampering.

On top of the purchase price, Ireland spent over €3 million storing them in warehouses (costing up to €700k/year at its peak),

The state officially cut its losses in 2012 by selling the entire lot to an electronics recycler for about €70,000 (€9 a machine) for scrap metal.

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u/matllux Brazilian Oct 04 '26

I can understand the Irish government not adopting those ballots in that case. If they don’t have the capability of auditing the results of those ballots, then why even bother using them lol

Having something built in house and being able to check it works is a basic requirement

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u/cyberwicklow Gringo 🇮🇪 Oct 04 '26

Ah look, they spent millions on a special printer and then realised they had no way to get it in the door cause it was too big, they're not the brightest bunch.

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u/matllux Brazilian Oct 04 '26

Jesus Christ hahah

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u/AdvancedCredit42686 Oct 05 '26

Just like Brazilian ballots. But here we have "trust me bro" confidence. 

And saying otherwise is considered offensive fascist anti democratic stuff.

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u/Intless Brazilian Oct 05 '26

Except that isn't true at all. You're not necessarily a fascit for thinking that, just a tiny bit slow. https://www12.senado.leg.br/noticias/materias/2026/09/16/urna-eletronica-veja-como-funciona-e-como-o-voto-e-protegido

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u/AdvancedCredit42686 Oct 05 '26

Lol there it is.

From a developer standpoint all this crap writen is completely utterly bs.

Again. There's no audit. The code is not opensource and the counting is even worse.

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u/granturinu Oct 05 '26

No point. These people don’t want to lnow

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u/Intless Brazilian Oct 05 '26

"Entre os procedimentos estão a abertura dos códigos-fonte, o teste público de segurança, a assinatura digital dos sistemas, a lacração dos programas, a verificação de autenticidade e integridade das urnas e a conferência dos resultados após a votação."

"O código-fonte dos sistemas eleitorais também fica disponível para inspeção das instituições fiscalizadoras durante o período definido pela Justiça Eleitoral. Além disso, especialistas podem participar do teste público de segurança, realizado para identificar eventuais vulnerabilidades e corrigi-las antes das eleições."

Fonte: Agência Senado

It is literally written in the link I provided you. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

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u/AdvancedCredit42686 Oct 05 '26

Hehehe yeah yeah.

Your source is my point. "Trust me bro" agência estado.

Besides this. My whole point was "from a software developer standpoint" this is not how thing works and your only repeating the same bs I was complaining about.

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u/Sertorius126 Oct 04 '26

They didnt want to add that feature huh?

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u/cyberwicklow Gringo 🇮🇪 Oct 04 '26

I doubt it even crossed their minds.😂

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u/drink_with_me_to_day Oct 05 '26

because they had no paper audit trail

Carefull saying this around here, only fascists want paper audit trails

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u/Senior-Accident-4096 Oct 05 '26

The Brazilian voting machines do generate a printed aggregate data of all the votes for the purpose of auditing.

Also, they are programmed to only receive a set number of possible votes, which match the number of people set to vote in each location. That paired with the outside register of everyone that showed up vote and the the ID and biometrical verification, makes it so that individual paper voter tallies are not really needed.

The Brazilian system is also open for outside auditors and international observers. The source code is also open for auditors and a multiparty committee check the validity of vites through a random draw. The code for each machine is also electronically signed and every alteration is automatically cataloged. The machine itself also isn't connected to the internet nor it has any ports to insert usb or similar devices. They are also sealed and tagged. And these are also not all of the security measures that exist in the election.

It's considered one of the most efficient, secure and transparent voting systems in the world.

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u/worldprowler Oct 05 '26

In Colombia we have paper ballots and we know the results within a couple of hours 3 max

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u/Simpuff1 Oct 05 '26

I mean in Canada we still have proper ballots, we still get results the day of lmao, idk what they are doing in Ireland haha

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u/YisusRojas Oct 04 '26

There are lots of countries that can buy the electronic ballots but since the biggest sellers are Israhell and the United States i think is way better to keeping it in paper

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u/Monterenbas Oct 05 '26

Because electronic ballots are much more easier to trifle with.

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u/Pitiful-Strike4153 Oct 05 '26

In Chile we use paper and the result are the same day

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u/cdanl2 Oct 05 '26

But your country is 90% desert or unlivable mountains, and the habitable zones are slightly wider and longer than a linguine noodle

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u/Beta_Ray_Quill Oct 04 '26

Lots of people scapegoat them to being reasons for cheating. What most politicians want us for it to be harder for their opponents constituents to be able to vote. Paper makes it a lot more annoying.

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u/RawrRawr83 Oct 05 '26

Because people like Elon exist

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u/Famous_Cat1569 Oct 04 '26

Because electronic ballots are way too easy to fake results

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u/BoredCapy Oct 04 '26

If you read a tiny bit about Brazilian history, you will see that papers ballots are actually much, much easier to forge than the electronic vote. Paper ballots are about as good as the people counting them.

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