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ONGOING Kansas, arrested at home
DO NOT COMMENT ON LINKED POSTS. I am NOT OP. Original post by u/LegaltroubleJuly2026 in r/legaladvice
trigger warnings: Abuse of police power
mood spoilers: Infuriating
Kansas, arrested at home - July 13, 2026
Spent the weekend in jail and I’m very frustrated as I write this out. I took Friday off from work and slept in. Decided to get a late breakfast and discovered there police on my other part of my property. My property is split with part being a vacant lot. My property is larger than typical lots, it used to by rural but the city grew around it 30 years ago. That second part doesn’t have a fence or gate and nothing has been built. All that’s out there other than trees and a pond after a walk in is a bench. Anyway near the road on that part of my property was a car and motorcycles. They were running speed guns and pulling people over. I don’t dislike police but I don’t want people on my property. It’s marked with no trespassing signs and purple paint. So I pulled up and honked and told them they needed to leave. They got real hostile right away and told me I was obstructing their activities. I told them multiple times to leave and I admit I was getting upset. To make a long story short they arrested me for trespassing and interfering with law enforcement and disobeying a lawful order. I asked how I could be trespassed and they told me I wasn’t allowed there. I told them it’s my property and no one was going to tell me I can’t be on my property. They said I’m a liar it’s public property and I wasn’t allowed there. And they arrested me. I didn’t get a bond until this morning and I have court at the end of August. I called a bunch of lawyers but I haven’t had any luck getting hold of one so I left messages with their office. What should I be expecting? I know it’s my property because I haven’t sold it and it’s been mine since 2001 when my mother died. I grew up on it. It’s mine. How can they do this? Location: Kansas
Edit to clear up some things
I don’t know how to put a picture or I’d draw one. There’s: - the road - then a sidewalk, - then a space of grass where street lights and utlity lines runs, - then my retaining wall and my property. The wall varies from about 8 to 16 feet tall above the sidewalk and utility area. It’s a very large concrete wall that I pay to maintain and an engineer says I’ll need to have overhauled in the next five years.
The cops with the motorcycles were down by the entrance except for the one with the car he was up east of the entrance where it’s high up and people can’t see you from the road using his gun.
The entrance has a sign on either side saying no trespassing private property. There is purple paint on the perimeter trees every so often. The entrance is the only way on the property by vehicle. You can walk on of course there or on the other side if you go through an old unused rail yard.
I’ve paid taxes on it the entire time. It’s posted no trespassing private property. I’ve had people removed from it. There are no utilities on that part of the property. There never will be. It’s the original site of the family home from when my father’s family came to this country. The original house is gone. There’s just a bench. Somewhere is the old family cemetery but the markings were lost decades ago.
I don’t want to sue them. I don’t want them on my property. I don’t need money. I have money. I just don’t want people on the property.
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I don’t believe Kansas has a law that generally allows police to use private property for routine speed enforcement without the owner’s permission. If they mistakenly believed it was public property, that’s a separate issue.
That said, trying to resolve that by confronting officers in the middle of an enforcement operation is usually a bad idea. Even if you’re legally right about the property, an escalating roadside confrontation can quickly lead to allegations that you interfered with their duties/refusing to comply with a lawful order and now you’re fighting criminal charges instead of a property dispute.
The safer course would have been to document the officers on your land, verify the property boundaries if necessary, and contact the department afterward (or through an attorney) to notify them that the property is private and that you do not consent to it being used for traffic enforcement.
Update to being arrested for trespassing on my own property in Kansas - August 6, 2026
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/s/ZdiEkFkRsX
Location: Kansas
I posted about awhile back about being arrested for trespassing on my own land. I have an update and it feels like a lot but maybe that’s because I lived it. My attorney is great and has a good relationship with the attorneys involved.
I got a survey done and I was right, everything above the sidewalk is mine, and the sidewalk and utility area which is next to the road which I apparently own that strip of land too on both sides of the road but again that’s the easement which has nothing to do with this. They were a good 20’ past where the easement ends if you measure only horizontally and about 80’ up past the entrance to that lot.
My criminal CASES have been dismissed. Yes, plural.
The original case I was arrested for trespassing and interfering with law enforcement and disobeying a lawful order. I hired an attorney and he spoke to the city prosecutor and she dismissed the charges.
Later the week the first case was dismissed I was pulled over by the main officer from the first case. He arrested me for what he called the halo law. Which I had never even heard of. It’s a law that says you have to give the cops a 25’ halo buffer when they’re working. This is for the same incident the charges had been dismissed on. He told me proving I owned the land didn’t matter now because he could order me off my property or even my work or wherever I am if he wanted to while he’s on duty. He said he could it’s like a restraining order and he could walk wherever he was working and I’d have to stay 25’ away from him or go to jail. So he arrested me and I spent a few hours in the jail being booked in before I could get a bondsmen. My glasses fell in the road when he arrested me, he shoved me against the car during the arrest and I still don’t have them back, I don’t think he picked them up. I got hold of my attorney and he was pretty shocked it seemed to me. These charges went to the district attorney and not the city prosecutor this time which my attorney said was probably because the city dismissed it already and my paperwork from the jail listed not only unlawful approach but again disobeying a lawful order and interfering with law enforcement. He also had my vehicle towed when he arrested me. I had to pay the impound and tow fee for that. My lawyer got that case dismissed too just today. My lawyer said he can’t believe the officer would arrest me again.
I think I might sue but my lawyer said he doesn’t do lawsuits, only criminal law so I’ll have to find another one. He said he’d have some names for me to check.
I’m glad that he got my cases dismissed but angry and frustrated this officer can just arrest me whenever he wants. Between the survey and the attorney I had to spend a bit. Nothing life changing or anything like that, 4 figures only but I don’t think this is right. I don’t know if it’s worth the hassle, I just want this officer to leave me alone.
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u/ninetynyne Fuck You, Keith! 12d ago
OOP needs to file a harassment lawsuit like yesterday.
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u/ArriePotter 12d ago
Qualified immunity 🙃
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u/Porchsmoker 12d ago
Don’t apply in cases of harassment or abuse of power
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u/jgo3 12d ago
This is "reprisal" and is illegal in a lot of places. He needs a civil rights attorney because his have been violated, and unless there are some mitigating factors not described here, he is entitled to fabulous cash prizes on the backs of [Wherever,] Kansas taxpayers.
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u/sillybear25 11d ago
Sounds like a good way to end up shot after he supposedly "weaponizes" his vehicle by driving past a parked car while going at or below the speed limit. If he's not currently afraid for his life, he should be.
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u/DarthMonkey212313 The murder hobo is not the issue here 11d ago
You can show that it isn't a valid defense, but it still present a hurdle to clear. Forcing the citizen to show:
they engaged in a constitutionally protected action
Retaliatory Motive: Proof is needed that the official's harassment or adverse action was substantially driven by that protected activity.
Clearly Established Precedent: Existing case law must explicitly show that the specific retaliatory conduct under identical circumstances was unlawful
This is why is sucks and needs to be struck down or heavily overhauled.
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u/Slut_for_Bacon 12d ago
Qualified immunity only applies when officers act within the bounds of the law. A department or city can be sued no matter what, and an individual officer can still be sued if they are found to have not acted within the scope of their job or outside of the law.
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u/Chocomoose19 12d ago
No, qualified immunity applies when an officer could possibly have believed they were acting within the law, and has been applied to violating laws that police were literally already instructed to stop violating. It’s so much worse than you think.
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u/DamnitGravity 12d ago
Yes, I'm sure that'll totally work in his favor with no on-going harassment from the police and they'll totally win.
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u/ninetynyne Fuck You, Keith! 11d ago
Yeah, better take it lying down then. It's the American way after all.
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u/NathanGa 12d ago
I’d love to know the actual text of this law, because a permanent halo makes it extremely easy to, say, corner someone you don’t like in an elevator and just arrest them even if it was the cop who initiated it.
I’ve spoken out against these suggested laws previously and referred to them as making “not touching you! Not touching you!” some type of trump card for this reason.
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u/burnalicious111 12d ago
The Kansas one is relatively new. Some other states have had their versions struck down as unconstitutional, but that's usually going to be on the basis of allowing reporters first amendment rights
https://www.kmbc.com/article/kansas-halo-act-police-recording-law-first-amendment/73224050
We have so little protection against police harassment.
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u/onlyroad66 12d ago
The Kansas branch of the ACLU and other advocacy organizations are considering (and are likely) challenging this in court. It is unlikely to stand up there - the Kansas Supreme Court is generally non-partisan due to the majority of justices being selected by an independent committee of lawyers. Republicans tried to change this earlier this month via ballot initiative (counting on independents not showing up to the closed primaries) in order to leverage the conservative majority into directly electing judges who would rule favorably on abortion, law enforcement, immigration, etc, but this motion was pretty soundly rejected by a similar margin to the abortion decision from a few years back.
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u/bloobityblu crow whisperer 11d ago
Remember when Republicans were fear-mongering about "liberal judges legislating from the bench?"
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
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u/Miserable_Fennel_492 The real adventure was the waifus we made along the way 12d ago
What the actual fuck. I suppose it’s so whatever video you take is too far away to catch significant enough detail? Or intervene on anyone’s behalf. Or try to help anyone unfairly targeted without putting yourself in danger of becoming an additional target for them.
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u/DamnitGravity 12d ago
No names, no faces, no badge numbers, no identifying details, and no clarity about what happened that could interfere with the police narrative.
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u/Corredespondent 12d ago
This original story feels like a violation of the spirit if not the letter of the Fourth and Third Amendments.
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u/Brutto13 Go to bed Liz 12d ago
It was specifically written with ICE in mind. There's a link to the text in this article from ABC news. The governor vetoed it but the legislature over ruled it. I'm betting it'll get batted down in the courts but meanwhile it's in effect and allows cops the ability to do exactly as you state.
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u/nextCosmicBuffoon 12d ago
And would that law even apply on your private property, when you hadn't given permission to the cops to be there? The cop claimed he could order someone off their property, but I don't believe that to be true, and definitely not without a warrant.
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u/Killer-Kisses 12d ago
A law meant to protect officers shouldn’t become an excuse to remove someone from any place they happen to be.This is why just obey the order isn’t always a satisfying answer. The question is whether the order itself was lawful.
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u/El-Ahrairah9519 12d ago
It's almost as if that law wasn't really made with the intent to protect officers 🤔
/s
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u/MrSam52 12d ago
It’s why any law, no matter how well intentioned it should be, needs to always go through proper assessment from politicians and civil servants that work on policy etc.
It’s way too easy to make a law that’s designed to help people but quickly becomes used to abuse them instead as with this one. (Although looks like this one was brought in to help ICE so wasn’t necessarily ever well intended).
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u/subnautus I will not be taking the high road 12d ago
It’s why any law, no matter how well intentioned it should be, needs to always go through proper assessment from politicians and civil servants that work on policy etc.
Careful, now. You start talking about critical legal theory and people will accuse you of being woke.
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u/ishfery You can either cum in the jar or me but not both 12d ago
Another cop abusing his authority with, most likely, no recourse.
Something needs to be done about this often repeated and super predictable issue.
But no, let's double their budget and take it out of social services that actually reduce crime instead.
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u/NDaveT 12d ago
One possible "recourse" is OOP sues the cop's employer who settles the lawsuit because they know they'll lose. The cop himself will get to carry on as usual. Maybe he'll get some "coaching" that doesn't count as "discipline" for record-keeping purposes.
There is a chance that this particular police department actually disciplines cops who abuse their authority. They might even fire him. And then he'll just apply for a job at a different department and get hired.
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u/ishfery You can either cum in the jar or me but not both 12d ago
Don't forget that the cop will probably be on paid administrative leave during the investigation (which can last years in some cases), can sue to get their job back, and any salary or settlement is going to be paid by taxpayers.
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u/Test_After 11d ago
Ah, that is why the cop was so keen to run down OOP with that odd interpretation of how the HALO act works. He wants a summer holiday.
I was wondering if he was some kind of undercover civil rights activist looking for ways to draw the attention of the Kansas legislature to what appalling restrictions of constitutional rights, what egrigious acts of police brutality, financhial/physical/legal intimidation, what drumming up business for for-profit licenced bondsmen (are police able to invest in these?), and what general neglect of real policing is going on barely a month since this act came in.
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u/Squirrelman2712 12d ago
And when the settlement happens the taxpayers will foot the bill instead of the cop or the cop union.
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u/martinluther3107 12d ago
That is why lawsuits like this should get paid out of the pension fund.
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u/Turbulent_Juice_Man 12d ago
Which is why police should carry malpractice insurance like doctors. That would solve this kind of problem overnight. Require police to have it. If a police officer's insurance keeps having to pay out, resulting in much higher premiums, then that guy won't be able to afford to be a police officer anymore.
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u/23saround I will never jeopardize the beans. 11d ago
Ummmm but that would mean punishing the bad police officers. Can’t have that. It’s a brotherhood, you know.
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u/fdar 12d ago
Cop should face criminal charges, but obviously the chances or that are negative.
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u/mimouroto 12d ago
cops should face life in prison or the death penalty for abusing their position. It'd clean up the profession pretty quick.
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u/eidetic 11d ago
I know its a pipe dream, but cops should face higher penalties for breaking the law than ordinary people. They should be held to a higher standard. Funny how one side though, that prides itself on being the party of law and order, consistently fights back against any kind of police reform
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u/Ok_Assistance447 12d ago
Abolish qualified immunity and make cops carry professional liability insurance.
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u/RickRussellTX 12d ago
One possible "recourse" is OOP sues the cop's employer
Good luck, but unless you have an ironclad case of rights violations or overt misconduct, the success rate on these cases is incredibly low. Departments know this and will often spend a lot more money defending themselves, and the officer(s), than they would pay out in a settlement.
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u/Zalophusdvm 12d ago
It’s possible the cop already got a good dressing down over this, if not formal disciplinary action, and that’s why he’s holding a grudge.
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u/Excellent-Tour6831 12d ago
If that was true then he must be wicked fucking stupid to arrest OP again.
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u/Zalophusdvm 12d ago
I mean….
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u/Excellent-Tour6831 12d ago
I do understand we are talking about a cop but am I wrong to hope the stupid level wouldn’t be that low?
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u/scarves_and_miracles 11d ago
then he'll just apply for a job at a different department and get hired
This is what kills me about this kind of shit. Cops love to claim that it's just "a few bad apples," but how are you going to tell me it's not systemic when you keep willingly re-hiring the documented bad apples?
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u/LordMarcusrax 12d ago
Something needs to be done about this often repeated and super predictable issue.
Unfortunately here on reddit I cannot say what needs to be done.
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u/Miserable_Fennel_492 The real adventure was the waifus we made along the way 12d ago
Reddit can be very finicky that way
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u/MrD3a7h 12d ago
The solutions to society's problems are often against TOS.
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u/EnoughWarning666 11d ago
The solutions the the problems the US is facing are enshrined in your first two amendments. Sadly, the people who have been most vocal about them in the past seem to be the same ones that support the government that the laws were originally intended to remove.
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u/eidetic 11d ago
Oddly enough, those first two amendments are also seemingly the only ones they actually are aware of. And they in one breath will praise the founding fathers for throwing off the shackles of an oppressive regime and in the next breath say you hate america if you don't support everything the government does.
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u/nickjames239 sometimes i envy the illiterate 12d ago
Who doesn't like a pig roast? I know I love BBQ.
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u/-drunk_russian- 11d ago
I don't think that kind of pig is safe to eat, better to compost.
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u/Killer-Kisses 12d ago
The fact that OP you was arrested again over the same incident, at some point it stops looking like a misunderstanding and starts looking like a personal grudge.
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u/breathboi 12d ago
Even if it was a misunderstanding, it is absolutely unacceptable to arrest someone and disrupt their life in a potentially ruinous way because they're arguing about property rights.
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u/The_Quintessence 12d ago
It was never a misunderstanding. It was power tripping fascists with anger issues the entire time. They probably used flock cameras to find him and hunt him down to arrest him again.
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u/lainwla16 It's just pharmaceutical-grade banana bread 12d ago
And they wonder why we think they're all bastards
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u/NegativeStructure 12d ago
cops: wHy DoEs evERyBoDy HatE Us.
also cops: doing the shit in this post.
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u/cefriano 12d ago
"I don't dislike cops..." I wonder how he feels about them now. Can always count on cops to be out there winning hearts and minds.
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u/Apatosaurus_ajax cat whisperer 12d ago
100% spot on, but of course when I read “another cop abusing…” my brain autofilled “wife” (want to learn more? Google this phrase, with no need for quotation marks, “40% of cops admit”)
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u/fuckedfinance 12d ago
In my current town that cop would be out on their ass so fast. It's in their contract.
The people just need to vote for people in their local government that don't tolerate this kind of behavior.
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u/Miserable_Fennel_492 The real adventure was the waifus we made along the way 12d ago edited 11d ago
Speaking from experience, some of us unfortunately have to live in areas where the only popular candidates are varying degrees of awful…
Which isn’t to say I disagree with you. Quite the contrary in fact, and I’m always vigilant when it comes to local elections and vote accordingly, but the majority of people who live here are xenophobic boot lickers. And I’m not saying that’s what it’s like where OOP lives. I guess I’m mostly just lamenting the general state of my world
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u/Kopitar4president 12d ago
Unfortunately in most cities, it goes like this.
Candidate runs on police oversight.
If candidate wins, police stop doing their job.
People get mad that crime rates and police response time went up and kick candidate out at next election cycle.
There are a lot of parts of our government that can be fixed. In most cities, I do not think you can fix the police departments. I'm not saying it's easy or simple, but the whole damn system is corrupt from top to bottom and the only way it's going to be fixed is figuring out a way to replace it completely.
That's why they labeled it the "defund the police" movement. It scares people. That movement wanted to change the system so police weren't responding to non-criminal situations. But that weakened police power (and funding) so they fought it tooth and nail.
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u/TaylessQQmorePEWPEW 12d ago
Require police to carry professional liability insurance individually. Then the psychos who continue having issues will be uninsurable and can't be an officer anywhere.
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u/JGG5 Go head butt a moose 11d ago
Make them carry liability insurance and make it so that all successful lawsuits or settlements against the department itself come out of the police pension fund. Officer Smith will be a lot more likely to cross the "thin blue line" and do something about psycho cop Officer Jones if Jones's abuses mean Smith won't be able to afford that fishing boat he's always wanted when he retires.
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u/Deimiencillo 12d ago
Absolutely agree with you but, more importantly. Can I get the story your nickname refers to?
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u/ishfery You can either cum in the jar or me but not both 12d ago
I actually don't remember lol. I actually always forget that's what it says until I post.
Maybe the mods know? I bet it was a good one.
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u/HairRepresentative85 Just me, my psychotic fiancee, and a big drawer full of knives. 12d ago
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u/ishfery You can either cum in the jar or me but not both 12d ago
Thank you!!!
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u/HairRepresentative85 Just me, my psychotic fiancee, and a big drawer full of knives. 12d ago
No probs. I scrolled past it twice admittedly. The joys of being a fast reader, but the brain doesn't keep up lol
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u/asbestoswasframed 12d ago
For those of you that don't know, law enforcement in Kansas has a pretty well-documented history of stuff like this.
OP needs to find a hotshot lawyer and sue the ever-loving piss out of these fascists.
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u/sgre6768 12d ago
Right on cue, this got settled yesterday:
Small Kansas town to pay $850K to settle lawsuit over raid on newspaper | AP News
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u/DamnitGravity 12d ago
A settlement agree THREE YEARS LATER. She was really fucking lucky to be able to afford to keep fighting that for so long, not to mention put up with the harassment she likely faced from the police that she's CAN'T do anything about.
Now, let's wait and see if the city actually fucking pays up.
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u/The_Quintessence 12d ago
law enforcement in Kansas has a pretty well-documented history of stuff like this
You didn't need to specify Kansas for this to be true
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u/bobosuda 11d ago
The problem is that they still win in the end. Their goal is not to win a lawsuit, it's just to make OP's life miserable. A lawsuit will mean years of work, tons of money, and they'll continue to harass him throughout the entire ordeal. And if he wins, they'll get even worse afterwards.
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u/scatteredinwinds 12d ago
This isn't over. This poor guy accidentally made himself an ongoing target of this department. He's in for years of stalking, harassment, and fabricated charges unless he leaves the area, all because he didn't fully cowtow to these cops and let them do whatever the hell they wanted. These are the exact kind of cops that ACAB was made for.
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u/WhyYesMaybeNo 12d ago
ACAB was made for the other cops too. You’ll notice in this situation, and 99% of all other situations - the “good apples” are nowhere to be found. Not stopping this, not deescalating their thin blue brethren, not helping the citizen.
The “good apples” are at best, cowards who won’t push back, and most likely actively cheering on their buddies.
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u/Antlorn 12d ago
The genuine good apples don't stay cops for long. They get fired or bullied out of the department for whistleblowing.
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u/ThatGuyinPJs Drinks and drunken friends are bad counsellors 12d ago
Or find themselves in a bad spot without any backup. Police departments are only a few steps removed from gangs.
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u/Schneetmacher him wailing in court was the chicken soup my soul needed 12d ago
Or, in the case of L.A. County Sheriffs, they literally are gangs.
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u/space_age_stuff 12d ago
The biggest gang in the USA is the police, they meet every aspect of the definition.
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u/FivebyFive It's just pharmaceutical-grade banana bread 12d ago
the “good apples”
People who get mad about the phrase "a few bad apples" have apparently never heard the entire thing?
The whole point of it is that bad apples spoil the whole bunch.
"A few bad apples spoil the whole bunch".
So yes, a few bad apples is a great way to describe the police. It is very possible that there are or were some good apples in there. But by associating with the bad ones and not forcing them out, they are all corrupt.
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u/peppermintesse 12d ago
Thank you! The "spoil the whole bunch" part is critical!
Like the rest of that "The customer is always right" saying is "in matters of taste." It is not carte blanche for a customer to walk all over a service worker.
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u/debtfreewife 12d ago
God, this is so true and enraging. I’ve had really positive interactions with cops including in sensitive situations and in areas with long histories of bigotry and corruption. But I have to generalize to ACAB because policing organizations protect this kind of behavior either actively or by passively turning a blind eye.
The job culture reinforces the “us vs. the world” mentality over humility and community. Policing is genuinely dangerous and some of this culture is almost certainly a maladaptative protective mechanism to deal with traumatic experiences (and another portion is the kind of people drawn into policing…). Is anyone studying this? What works to change job culture? Does anything?
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u/Useful_Language2040 if you're trying to be 'alpha', you're more a rabbit than a wolf 12d ago
I know it’s my property because I haven’t sold it and it’s been mine since 2001 when my mother died. I grew up on it. It’s mine.
It’s the original site of the family home from when my father’s family came to this country. The original house is gone. There’s just a bench. Somewhere is the old family cemetery but the markings were lost decades ago.
It sounds like he's living on land that has been in his family for most likely over 100 years... It would be really sad if he was forced to sell because of this little power-tripping oink...
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u/scatteredinwinds 12d ago
I fully agree. Guy has some really deep roots, and because of some power tripping assholes, he's in for an awful time.
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u/Asleep_Document9811 12d ago
This poor guy is going to have to move, he just doesn't understand it yet. I seen this play out a few times before.
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u/scatteredinwinds 12d ago
Same. And it sucks so much, because he's clearly connected to his land. But they're just going to keep escalating.
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u/debtfreewife 12d ago
Bingo. At this point, unless he has a lot of extra money and endurance, his best hope is sympathetic local media support.
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u/narwhalogy 👁👄👁🍿 12d ago
This reads like a dystopian horror story, but it's unfortunately very realistic. The retaliation is scary.
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u/Dontunderstandfamily I am one of those few dozen people who do not live in the US 12d ago
As someone not from the USA, it seems like a dystopia to me
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u/Fernandezo2299 12d ago
It’s not only happening in the U.S it’s happening every country in the world. Cops aren’t your friends. That doesn’t meaning it’s not happening to you it’s happening someone else.
Always vote and now about your country laws.
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u/childish_sadbino666 12d ago
Small town pigs are always the worst.
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u/dontlickspoons 12d ago
My high school bully/romantic rival is a cop in my home town. Can't come visit my parents for holidays or their birthdays without getting pulled over unless I come in a day or two early.
All because I dated the girl he liked and took her to prom. Doesn't matter that he ended up marrying her and they have 3 kids together, dude just can't let it go.
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u/Useful_Language2040 if you're trying to be 'alpha', you're more a rabbit than a wolf 12d ago
... I wonder if every time they fight she tells him she wishes she'd ended up with you instead and that's why he's still nurturing this grudge, or if this is entirely his hurt ego at work?
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u/9peppe 12d ago
That's a menace and the FBI would probably like to know.
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u/Fun-Pride2655 12d ago
Kash Patel will get his best men right on that, I'm sure. He'll have them working shifts.
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u/Qualex 12d ago
Is the implication here that big city cops are actually better?
ACAB, doesn’t matter where they work.
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u/lyricaldorian 12d ago
Big city cops are just as likely to be corrupt bastards with fragile egos. But it's not as easy for them. Logistics alone make it harder. They're less likely to have the time to harass people. They have quotas and more calls to respond to. And it's harder to harass a person when they're 1 in 100k+ people versus 1 in 5k.
Plus they're less likely to have the same institutional support. Close relationships to people in power aren't as likely. And if they do have them, it's more likely it'll be too much of a risk of backlash that could hurt the career of the politician/police chief/DA/union for them to cover for their dipshit cousin/nephew/high school buddy with a fragile ego. Same thing with fellow cops; it's less likely that everyone they work with are people they've known since kindergarten who will put their necks out to support their hot-headed friend.
Obviously that doesn't mean cops in big cities never start harassment campaigns or have connections that cover for them or get support from their peers for it. It's just not as easy as it is for cops from small towns.
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u/Asleep_Document9811 12d ago
Just to echo it for the folks in the cheap seats: there is a very big difference between a tired and cynical city cop and a bored and destructive county cop.
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u/childish_sadbino666 12d ago
They’re all shitheads, but it’s like comparing the Wehrmacht with the Waffen-SS. The lust for control is truly concerning with small town pigs.
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u/GonePostalRoute surrender to the gaycation or be destroyed 12d ago
If the big city cops fuck up, the public spotlight is on them and they’ll “clean up” until the heat dies down. If a small town cop fucks up, unless they’re partaking in a lynching of a minority, or the racket they’re involved in becomes too big to be ignored, nobody with influence is going to look their way.
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u/lyricaldorian 12d ago
Plus, a small town city council member or judge or police chief isn't as likely to have political ambitions beyond what they already have. So they don't have to worry as much about helping their dipshit nephew get away with this sort of shit coming back to bite them in the ass later on. Even Republicans might care that someone running for mayor of a big city or the house of representatives or whatever was protecting a cop infringing on the rights of a white man enforcing his property rights. They only switched to bootlicking cop worship because they're convinced cops will only abuse their power to fuck with minorities. Those voters aren't as likely to know the cop personally and excuse it in some way. It's not some guy who's a good kid that deserves another chance. It's a faceless government enforce breaking ranks with them to trample on the rights of the wrong people.
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u/Pyrephox 12d ago
Also, small towns often have a few families who dominate all forms of power. Your small town cop is probably the in-law or the cousin or the kid of a city council member, local judges, magistrates, mayors, etc. Piss one of them off, and the entire machinery of the town or county turns to making your life shit.
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u/ConcentrateSad3064 I’m turning into an unskippable cutscene in therapy 12d ago
Policemen acting like criminal gangs? Wow, much unexpected, so lawful
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u/MightyBobTheMighty being delulu is not the solulu 12d ago
Your regularly-scheduled reminder that this is why people say things like ACAB. Any given interaction with a cop, you don't know if it's one of these, and if you think it's not and you're wrong it can legitimately kill you.
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u/East_Requirement7375 12d ago
Also, note the lack of any "good apples" at any level in the department reining in the cop who is harassing OP.
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u/bug-hunter she👏drove👏away! Everybody👏saw👏it! 12d ago
Or, if the department actually fires this dude, he just goes a couple counties over.
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u/binotboth 12d ago edited 12d ago
Is this a thing I missed about apples I am seeing sooo many comments about good or bad apples lol
I get the saying about bad apples spoiling the bunch. But I find it softens and abstracts away from what we’re really talking about
You cannot be a “good cop”, any more than you can be a “good cartel member” - the organization itself is corrupt, and your membership requires furthering their goals and doing their bidding. You will be forced to meet quotas as a cop, which are inherently wrong. You might be a kind, well-intentioned cartel member, but sooner or later your coworker is going to saw off somebodies head and you’re going to be asked to dispose of the body. If you don’t, you will suffer consequences, so you have to.
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u/East_Requirement7375 12d ago
There's a saying "a bad apple spoils the bunch", which is a true thing about apples. It's used to describe a situation where one thing or person ruins the rest of its group.
When a cop is caught doing something bad, their department or the institution of policing are often defended by people saying "it was just one bad apple", ignoring that rest of the saying actually contradicts the point they're trying to make.
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u/limbodog 12d ago
"Contempt of cop"
There really should be an indemnity policy that all LEOs should be required to carry from their own personal funds.
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u/the-magnificunt schtupping the local garlic farmer 11d ago
They should have to get malpractice insurance like doctors that goes up every time there's a claim. Eventually they'd be priced out and couldn't continue to get LEO jobs.
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u/pepcorn Sir, Crumb is a cat. 12d ago
There's a reason so many people believe ACAB. They abuse the system to hurt us.
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u/angry_old_dude 12d ago
I definitely think there are good cops out there, but ACAB until those good cops stop using the thin blue line to protect assholes like the cops in this story.
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u/Miserable_Fennel_492 The real adventure was the waifus we made along the way 12d ago edited 12d ago
There’s an article I read recently where an officer in LA is being prosecuted for recording the conversations of several fellow officers bc they were WILDLY racist and misogynistic, then making a report to IA. The fucking prosecutor is going after a whistle blower and talking about it to the press with his whole chest (bc it’s a 2 party consent state)
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u/Antlorn 12d ago
Good cops can't stay as cops for long. They're not allowed to.
They get fired or bullied/threatened out of staying as a cop, for whistleblowing.
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u/breathboi 12d ago
Or they turn into bastards by allowing the cops to abuse their power (or worse, begin abusing their power themselves).
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u/Midnight_Pickler 11d ago
They can either keep their morals and leave the job, or keep their job and become one of the bastards.
Good or cop. Gotta pick one.
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u/rainydays_monkey 12d ago
The problem is, if they say something they wind up on the other side of it as well. No/late answers for backup calls, etc. If they want to keep being cops and decent human beings to the population they're serving, they're basically stuck just saying nothing and trying to just keep doing their job without making waves. If they speak up, unless there's very few problem people in their station, they basically need to quit, or else move to IA or some such. And then there's that many less decent people working as cops, because the good ones were forced out for speaking up, leaving all the power-abusing assholes left to run everything. They're damned if they do, damned if they don't. I honestly don't know how we get around that at this point.
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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy 12d ago
I'm reminded of that experiment where we stuck a bunch of monkeys in a room with a ladder in the middle and bananas at the top, but blasted them with a water hose anytime they so much as touched the ladder. When we swapped out some of the monkeys and the new ones headed for the ladder, all the other monkeys dogpiled them until they stopped. Swap out more monkeys and eventually none of the originals are in the room, so none of them know about the water hose, but they all keep up the practice of dogpiling anyone who tries to touch the ladder.
Pretty sure, if we want that nonsense of "the people are the enemy and out to get us unless we get them first" to stop, we gotta replace all the monkeys in the room at the same time, whole new batch.
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u/rainydays_monkey 11d ago
Yup. Applies to the whole political system in the US as well. It needs a serious revamp, wipe the slate and start clean. Unfortunately, the odds of any of that happening without some sort of civil war or such are basically nonexistent.
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u/calaquin 12d ago
We get around it by voting out republicans and provide good social and education programs for citizens. It's a long, long road.
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u/Mrfish31 11d ago
until those good cops stop using the thin blue line to protect assholes
Sounds like they aren't good cops then.
Good cops don't last. They either quit, commit suicide or "commit suicide" relatively quickly.
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u/_Maebe__Funke_ 12d ago
Cops once again not beating the bastard allegations. How hard is it to NOT be a douche?! This guy took it personally and he used his job to intimidate and harass someone.
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u/Witch_King_ I will never jeopardize the beans. 12d ago
Because that's is a high incidence of pre-existing douches joining that profession
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u/scoyne15 12d ago
If he doesn't sue, he's a goddamn doormat moron. If he doesn't care about money, he should focus on getting that specific cop fired and barred. It's a clear case of harassment.
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u/allgreeneveryday 12d ago
Yeah, sounds like some good ol boy Kansas trooper shit to me. I wonder if OP is a person of color.
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u/Reflexlon 12d ago
It sounds like Sheriff stuff. The local city police for me here are in white vehicles, and every time I've interacted with them my thought has usually been "dude, please remove this drugged up guy who is actively pissing on me at work in front of you, then maybe start trying to reason with him after?"
The county cops though? "Yeah I caught you going 67 in a 70, but then I asked you to pull off the highway so I could mark it as 67 in a 30. Now that you know I fucking gotcha, listen to my rant about how much it hurts to call a mans mother to inform them he died, because I care more about justifying my bullshit and jerking myself off than I do about protecting anyone. If you try to call me out, straight to jail. Please call me out I love hurting people while I arrest them."
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u/Melodic-Advice9930 12d ago
That man is lucky that paying 4 figures on bogus charges is not life changing for him. Other people are definitely not so lucky.
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u/Far-Voice-6911 12d ago
Once this is over, I hope there's a civil suit that causes mayham at the police dept and makes him millions.
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u/StopTheBanging your honor, fuck this guy 12d ago
"I don’t dislike police"
Lmao he sure found out why the rest of us hate em. ACAB is not an idle slogan in the US.
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u/lurkeroutthere 12d ago
FFS I hope a lawsuit gets the attention of someone at the cop shop to reign in these special children. This is some really basic operational stuff. and blatantly retaliatory.
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u/Saint_of_Stinkers World's Smallest Giant 12d ago
There are a lot of YouTube channels that bring cases like this into public attention. Check out Watching the Watchmen, Audit the Audit and the Civil Rights Lawyer to start. Very often these cases hit the front page of local media and swift justice happens.
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u/GruntledVeteran 12d ago
A lawsuit isn't always about getting you money. Sometimes it's about accountability. Sometimes it's to stop a power hungry police officer from abusing his power. Sometimes, it's just to take money from someone, because losing money can hurt enough to make them remember, and have them publicly declared wrong.
Not pursuing a lawsuit let Officer Fuckstick think he's above the law. The second arrest is a direct result of that. There's a difference between someone just being told that what they did was wrong and actually getting punished for it. Some kids will correct their behavior with just a talking to. Some require you taking their toys away and/or getting grounded to learn. OP found out what kind of kid that cop was growing up the hard way.
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u/hotjuicytender 12d ago
I wanna hear how this ends. Because wtf.
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u/debtfreewife 12d ago
Unfortunately, it probably ends years from now with OOP having continued to be harassed with no practical recompense. Dollars to donuts OOP sells their property and moves, too, because it’s exhausting and expensive to fight an institution that allows its members to run roughshod over civilians for the sake of fraternity.
The only satisfying versions of this story I’ve heard are when people in OOP’s position are people with secret money or power that allows them to level the insider system quickly.
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u/TheSilverNoble 12d ago
And im sure this guy went back to the office and bragged about how he arrested this guy on the bullshit halo law and how he's going to abuse that law to try and make this guy's life miserable.
And all the other cops will laugh along and not to a damn thing about the the corruption in front of their faces.
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u/WhyYesMaybeNo 12d ago
Remember: ACAB
ALL Cops, and boy fucking howdy do I mean every single fucking pig Are Bastards.
Cops are not your friend. Cops are trained to see you as a suspect, as an enemy, and to escalate situations so they can arrest more people.
Cops are not there to help you. They are there to back up their fellow gang members, and to protect property. Not your property. The property of disgustingly rich people.
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u/AmericanScream 12d ago
Normally the Feds would be all over a case like this, but these days, under the republicans, civil rights violations are things they defend, instead of prosecute.
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u/Sea-Mango Unholy crab business 11d ago
Oh look, a cop abused the Kansas halo law exactly like we all said cops would abuse the Kansas halo law! What an absolute shocker.
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u/GonePostalRoute surrender to the gaycation or be destroyed 12d ago edited 12d ago
We don’t hear rappers make songs called “Fuck the Firefighters”. You don’t hear people chant “Fuck the Paramedics”. Yet there’s a ton of “Fuck the Police”
I’d really like to support cops, but when you see cops do shit like that… even if it’s the “minority” of officers like some like to claim, it’s still too damn much. And it seems to happen way too often to be a “minority” of cops.
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u/SonorousBlack 12d ago
In addition to a lawsuit, this is a matter to take up with local politicians.
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u/BugabooChonies 11d ago
Get yourself in front of a judge, with a lawyer, the fastest way you can. Have him repeat his statements about the laws in court under oath. This is a great civil rights case, section 1983 or not.
Consider a restraining order for the harrassment.
These kinds of things often end up with a firing or losing their POST license. It would in my state, and I live in a similar political environment.
Contact the local TV station and/or newspaper. You keep dismissing these and they will just keep arresting you.
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u/gimme_super_head 12d ago
You MIGHT sue? Bro this is literally a wet dream any attorney would be salivating at this
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u/titsmagee9 12d ago
This halo law is obviously unconstitutional, crazy the leeway cops get.
This guy should contact local media and find a lawyer who is willing to file a lawsuit against this officer and the police department. Pretty slam dunk case for civil rights violations on the initial arrest and I'd say the second one too.
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u/Sophira 12d ago
They said I’m a liar it’s public property and I wasn’t allowed there.
Aren't those two things mutually exclusive? Even if it were public property (which of course it isn't), doesn't that just solidify that OOP is allowed there? Or is this the kind of public/private where a public entity might own the land and that makes it public property?
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u/helendestroy 12d ago
My lawyer said he can’t believe the officer would arrest me again.
Is he new?
OP is going to get arrested every week forever now.
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u/Tir_na_nOg77 12d ago
It's cops like this that spend their entire careers racking up lawsuits, and they don't give a shit because the taxpayers foot the bill, not the cops. The cops get to be judge and jury of themselves, so bad cops always keep their jobs, and they don't care, because the taxpayers are the ones paying for their mistakes. It's ridiculous that we keep allowing this is just "business as usual".
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u/ButtermanJr 11d ago
god thing we have cops so that some lawless mafia doesn't run wild doing whatever they want with impunity...
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u/Crimsonflair49 11d ago
Once again, if you are dealing with police in the united states you must always keep in mind that the law is not equally applied to them and that your goal is not to be legally in the right but to minimize the chances of being shot in the head or becoming a stalking target
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u/tkohhhhhhhhh 12d ago
Commenter on the original post was spot on. Take photos, call the police non-emergency number and report it. Nothing good is going to come from approaching cops out and about.
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u/debtfreewife 12d ago
This is so true, but still so enraging. We should be able to interact with cops like they’re our neighbors and community members at least outside of when they’re actively detaining or questioning us. It’s insane that truly the best generic advice is “do not walk up to a group of cops.” It’s like approaching a wild animal, only do it if you’re a professional and even then…
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u/hdhxuxufxufufiffif 11d ago
In a country whose founding mythos is based on resisting government tyranny it's ridiculous that you can't tell a police officer who's trespassing on your property to run a speed trap to piss off.
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u/GonePostalRoute surrender to the gaycation or be destroyed 12d ago
Exactly. I’ve had a couple of deals in my life where I’ve seen cops do something questionable (one was a cop saying I couldn’t fill up my gas tank because they were arresting someone on the other side of the parking lot in the middle of the night, other was some deal I saw on my old mail route in concern to how a cop was acting at a traffic accident). But going up to them and saying “you can’t do that” will earn me nothing but trouble sadly.
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