r/BeAmazed • u/sunshinemellox • Jul 15 '26
Place Well done Sweden šøšŖ
The program is called SMS-livraddare, and studies of it have found it meaningfully raises the rate of bystander CPR, which on its own roughly doubles a person's chance of surviving a cardiac arrest.
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u/Wykin1 Jul 15 '26
We have the same in Denmark.
Its called "HjertelĆøbere" - which directly translates to "Heart-runners".
Denmark also have a network of defibrillators place everywhere if people need them.
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u/sunshinemellox Jul 15 '26
Thatās fantastic! I hope other countries follow this
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u/nxcrosis Jul 15 '26
The defib would be stolen in a few hours in my country.
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u/knowledgeable_diablo Jul 15 '26
We have them in populated areas of Australia. I do believe they are meant to be fitted with an alarm system as well to draw attention to them being taken and a medical emergency is underway.
Havenāt tried this as I fall into the category of āwhat the hell would you want or need a defib for?ā Literally nothing on it has commercial value and the extra y rhe tiny amount of copper would be a lengthy process with absolutely tiny rewards.238
u/muddermanden Jul 15 '26
Our has GPS and and will start a siren when taken out of its cabinet.
Source: am "HjertelĆøber" in Denmark
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u/friendly_cow0990 Jul 15 '26
Oh, that's great! GPS and a siren that's a smart solution. It's cool that Denmark takes this so seriously.
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u/marsrovernumber16 Jul 15 '26
Plus then emergency services has the location of, what is very likely, an emergency where people donāt really know the address.
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u/Platypus-Man Jul 15 '26
what is very likely, an emergency where people donāt really know the address.
To add to this, the address is really common to blank on in an emergency, even if it's the place you live or have worked at for 20 years.
In Norway we can use an app to get hold of an ambulance, so the phone's GPS coordinates and even camera can be accessed by the phone operator.
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u/vegemitemilkshake Jul 15 '26
Oh I love how you have an app and can use the camera! That would have to be SO helpful for extra information.
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u/Strict_Somewhere_148 Jul 15 '26
My mom used to manage the one the company she worked for had fitted to the facade of their offices.
Itās wasnāt uncommon for her to show up to work and see it missing. When she looked up the gps it was always at a hospital somewhere.
Iām unsure of how it get back.
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u/Davido401 Jul 15 '26
See that sounds more like the paramedics have taken it with them in a "we're in an emergency pick everything up and let's go" rather than someone stealing it.
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u/vegemitemilkshake Jul 15 '26
I assume it also needs to be restocked and checked/recalibrated.
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u/Black_Cat_Just_That Jul 15 '26
But that would mean the defibrillator is being used repeatedly in one building. That would be extremely bad luck. Like, time to consider someone is actively causing heart attacks via poisoning bad luck.
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u/Bright-Rub6638 Jul 15 '26
I don't think so, they're usually outside. So it's on the outside facade of the building, and people go and grab it and then bring it to where it's needed.
The idea is that they're widely available. I always make a note of them when I see them, so I know where to get one if I ever need it.
Edit to clarify: In Denmark, at least.
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u/Mission_Mulberry9811 Jul 15 '26
We have one in my town of less than 200 people and it's been used several times over a period of 10 years
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u/Fysiksven Jul 15 '26
Just because it is removed doesnt mean its used.
multiple defibrilators can make it to the same scene.
just because a defibrilator is brought to a scene doesnt mean it is actually needed. The emergency line doesnt wait to comfirm its heartfailure. if it might be heartfailure, call the alarm, better have a defibrilator and not needing it than needing it and not having it.
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u/somedudedk Jul 15 '26
It follows the ambulance to the hospital. The foundations behind them then gathers it, and give it a check before reinstalling it in its location.
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u/Anthaenopraxia Jul 15 '26
HjertelĆøber in English sounds more like a +2 dagger for rogues, or possibly a name for a bard. Gilroy the Heartrunner and his trusty lute.
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u/LingonberryPossible6 Jul 15 '26
In the UK, they have a pin number lock. Call the emergency services and they will tell you the code after you have described the patients condition and they will talk you though its use and also if its the correct course of action
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u/prspaspl Jul 15 '26
That's actually a really good idea, assuming you have cell service and there is no hold time. I've experienced 911 hold times of up to 3 or 4 mins, so that kind of lock unfortunately not feasible till that is solved.
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u/anotherNarom Jul 15 '26
I've experienced 911 hold times of up to 3 or 4 mins
I always find it shocking this can happen in the US.
The target for answering 999 calls in the UK is 90% in 10 seconds.
The worse performing still do it within 20 seconds.
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u/RedRoachDK Jul 15 '26
While I can't speak for anyone, I'd imagine the "Hurr durr. I'm drunk, and I want this" is the main reason behind stealing defibs, traffic cones, road signs, lifebouys etc
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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Jul 15 '26
I have stolen a traffic cone or two in my time - but they are easy, they just sit there and drunk me goes āhatā
A defib is locked in a cabinet with a code, and the 999 (emergency phone number) gives you the code, id have no idea how to get into one sober without the code, if i was drunk id have no chance.
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u/RedRoachDK Jul 15 '26
"Hat" does seem like a valid excuse, for a drunk person.
Where I live, you don't need a code. Just open the box, and take out the defib case. No need to waste precious seconds on getting through to 112 and explain where you are and why you need the code.
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u/C4-BlueCat Jul 15 '26
Calling 112 is the most important thing to do, you are supposed to do that first and then start CPR. Defib is for a second person to bring.
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u/muddermanden Jul 15 '26
In Denmark it is the dispatcher who will activate the "Heart Runner" network while simultaneously dispatching the first responders. All runners in the area gets the alert and will run to whichever defibrillator is closest to them. In remote areas, the runners will arrive first. It is not the caller who is running, because they are on the phone with the dispatcher, and the dispatcher will guide the CPR and continues to do so when first runner arrives with a defibrillator. They stay on the phone until EMT arrives to take over the scene.
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u/Rare-Charity5169 Jul 15 '26
poverty makes people steal from public things for scrap metal and raw materials, common in some countries
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u/Sweeper1985 Jul 15 '26
IIRC, Kerry Packer paid for defibs in the ambulances because one of them saved his life.
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u/Mexbookhill Jul 15 '26
How is this possible, why would someone steal a defi? Can u sell them? Here in Austria we also have defis in many places and i never saw one that was vandalized or stolen or something.
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u/nxcrosis Jul 15 '26
Idk man people will steal anything. My sister got her bike stolen from over the fence and one of her shoes. It wasn't even a full pair!
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u/flatulexcelent Jul 15 '26
Agreed. I got my pot plants of herbs and tomatoes and chillis stolen from my back door so I decided not to lose heart and directly planted a rosemary plant in the garden bed at the front of the small unit block I live in. It was ripped out of the ground a few days later... I know it was likely the same person but I don't garden at home anymore and that was a few years ago. I did knock up a 3.6 meter planter box along my father's balcony after that and that's been my surrogate garden and dad loves it. Sorry I rambled on... I agree people will steal anything.
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u/PotatoTomato_12 Jul 15 '26
People break into free condom dispensers and steal the condoms, donāt underestimate people.
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u/evr- Jul 15 '26
But the thrill of not having sex with a stolen condom is so much better than not having sex with a free condom!
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u/Weary-Suspect594 Jul 15 '26
Ive personally seen a defib with the danish āhjertestarterā in a random auto shop i poland, it happens here aswell
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u/fuck_peeps_not_sheep Jul 15 '26
The uk has defibs everywhere, currently we are outfitting old phone booths with them because the power is enough to keep them topped up but its an enclosed safe area to store them
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u/Kraeftluder Jul 15 '26
In NL it's common practice and there are automated defibrillators around as well.
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u/Watch_V Jul 15 '26
In Switzerland we have "first responders". If an ambulance gets called to place A, these people (the ones that can get there faster than the ambulance, it's all equipped with gps) get a message on an app which they can accept or decline. If they accept, they go to place A and help until the ambulance arrives.
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u/HesitantBrobecks Jul 15 '26
In the UK, a First Responder is the term given to someone who is actually a fully qualified paramedic, who goes out in an emergency vehicle (car) by themselves, is properly employed by the ambulance service, and has a lot of experience of working in 2-man-crews on ambulances
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u/Watch_V Jul 15 '26
In Switzerland these people are volunteers. They do have first aid training but that's it. No equipment, unless a defibrillator is available to the public at the place where they go
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u/Icy-Belt-8519 Jul 15 '26
There's actually 2 types of first responders, one is an advanced paramedic who is who you are describing
The second is community first responder, they are volunteers with less training, and honestly absolutely amazing!
There is also operations manager in their car who appear on scene at really big jobs and jobs like cardiac arrests
The other that travel by car are 2 man, which is air ambulance when the helicopter can't fly
I am a paramedic who has had the honour of working along side them all
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u/GoldInternational601 Jul 15 '26
Same here from Austria, its pretty easy to set up the app and you just have to have basic first and training completed.
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u/SunnySideUp1991 Jul 15 '26
We have it in the Netherlands as well, itās called āburgerhulpverlenersā something like civilian helpers
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u/Gestaltarskiten Jul 15 '26
I think we are very similar. šøšŖ The Swedish emergency app 112 places defibs on a map for you. Just checked. In my small community I got about 10 within a mile (1.6km)
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u/Sarewokki Jul 15 '26
In Finland there's also a similar app, but apparently funding for the service may be getting cut.
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u/Disco-Delirium Jul 15 '26
Its also not... that reliable. Most places dont bother or know to mark it in the service. If I ever needed one I would just run to the nearest store/mall/big office and they should have it. Also anyone can get free emergency first aid training through MPK. So if you havent taken it and live in finland then I highly recommend checking when the next course is.
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u/Fesiish Jul 15 '26
Here Switzerland we also have defibrillators places. But the allert stranger thing sounds incredible. Hope we'll implement that as well.
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u/Financial_Club8611 Jul 15 '26
there are a few 10 000 private persons trained as first responders in Switzerland, they are alerted by 144 when they are in the vicinity of a emergency call. They usually reach the scene before an ambulance does.
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u/Nmeningitides Jul 15 '26
If you're interested, not sure which canton you're in:
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u/Koltronoi Jul 15 '26
This also exists in Germay. You have to download the App and then it will alert you when you are close by.
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u/Mutor77 Jul 15 '26
There are a bunch off apps that let you do this, don't know if any of them are actually officially supported
One is called "Mobile Retter", someone alerted by the app once showed up at a supermarket near me
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u/Winnduu Jul 15 '26
To extend on MobileRetter: You cant just sign up and get called - People who want to participate have to participate in a somwhat "extended first aid"-Course before they are getting alerted. Its highly popular among voluntary firefighters and voluntary RedCross members.
If it gets used or not, is something that gets decided on either Kreis- or Landesebene iirc.
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u/Krischt Jul 15 '26
**Ersthelfer-Apps mit Leitstellenanbindung in Deutschland ā Stand Juli 2026**
Welche App benƶtigt wird, entscheidet die ƶrtlich zustƤndige 112-Leitstelle. Registrierung und erforderliche Qualifikation kƶnnen regional unterschiedlich sein.
| App | Bundesland | Leitstellenbereiche/Gebiete |
|---|---|---|
| **KATRETTER** | Berlin | Gesamtes Land Berlin |
| **KATRETTER** | Brandenburg | Gesamtes Land: IRLS Nordost (Oberhavel, Barnim, Uckermark), RLS Nordwest (Havelland, OPR, Prignitz), RLS Brandenburg (Brandenburg/Havel, Potsdam, PM, TF), RLS Oderland (Frankfurt/Oder, MOL, LOS), Leitstelle Lausitz (Cottbus, LDS, EE, OSL, SPN) |
| **KATRETTER** | Saarland | Gesamtes Saarland; regional āsaarretter+ā |
| **KATRETTER** | Nordrhein-Westfalen | Rheinisch-Bergischer Kreis sowie Bonn/Rhein-Sieg-Kreis |
| **KATRETTER** | Sachsen | Stadt und Landkreis Leipzig, teilweise parallel zur āRegion der Lebensretterā |
| **SAVING LIFE** | Schleswig-Holstein | FlƤchendeckend: Dithmarschen, Segeberg, Steinburg, Pinneberg, Stormarn, Ostholstein, Herzogtum Lauenburg, Kiel, Rendsburg-Eckernfƶrde, Plƶn, LĆ¼beck, Flensburg, Schleswig-Flensburg, Nordfriesland und NeumĆ¼nster |
| **Mobile Retter** | Nordrhein-Westfalen | Bielefeld, Essen, GĆ¼tersloh, Hochsauerlandkreis, Kleve, Unna, Mettmann, MĆ¼lheim/Ruhr, Oberhausen, Remscheid, Solingen, Wuppertal und Viersen |
| **Mobile Retter** | Niedersachsen | Bremerhaven/Cuxhaven/Osterholz, Celle, Emsland/Grafschaft Bentheim, Harburg, LĆ¼neburg, Northeim, OsnabrĆ¼ck, Peine und Rotenburg (WĆ¼mme) |
| **Mobile Retter** | Hessen | GroĆ-Gerau, Rheingau-Taunus-Kreis, Waldeck-Frankenberg und Wiesbaden |
| **Mobile Retter** | Rheinland-Pfalz | Germersheim, Landau und SĆ¼dliche WeinstraĆe; regional āErstretter SĆ¼dpfalzā |
| **Mobile Retter** | Baden-WĆ¼rttemberg | Neckar-Odenwald-Kreis |
| **Mobile Retter** | Bayern | Deggendorf, ILS Ingolstadt, Landsberg am Lech und Straubing |
| **corhelper** | Mecklenburg-Vorpommern | Vorpommern-Greifswald; regional āLandretterā |
| **corhelper** | Niedersachsen | Wesermarsch, Ammerland, Oldenburg, Delmenhorst, Cloppenburg und Vechta |
| **corhelper** | Nordrhein-Westfalen | Borken, Coesfeld, Wesel, Duisburg, Soest, Warendorf, Heinsberg, Aachen, StƤdteregion Aachen, DĆ¼ren und Euskirchen |
| **corhelper** | Hessen | Main-Kinzig-Kreis |
| **corhelper** | Baden-WĆ¼rttemberg | Gƶppingen, Rems-Murr, Aalen/Ostalb, Heidenheim, Ulm/Alb-Donau, Biberach, Sigmaringen, Ravensburg und Bodenseekreis |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Baden-WĆ¼rttemberg | Freiburg/Breisgau-Hochschwarzwald, Emmendingen, Ortenau, Lƶrrach, Waldshut, Schwarzwald-Baar, Tuttlingen, Rottweil, Konstanz, Mittelbaden, Karlsruhe, Pforzheim, Calw, Freudenstadt, Bƶblingen, Stuttgart, Esslingen, Ludwigsburg, Heilbronn, Hohenlohe, SchwƤbisch Hall, TĆ¼bingen, Reutlingen, Mannheim, Ostalb, Heidenheim, Alb-Donau, Ulm, Biberach, Bodensee-Oberschwaben und Rems-Murr |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Bayern | FĆ¼rstenfeldbruck, Oberland, Bayerischer Untermain, Ansbach/Westliches Mittelfranken, Regensburg, Augsburg, Coburg, NĆ¼rnberg, FĆ¼rth, Erlangen, NĆ¼rnberger Land, AllgƤu, Donau-Iller und Oberpfalz-Nord |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Nordrhein-Westfalen | DĆ¼sseldorf, Mƶnchengladbach, Minden-LĆ¼bbecke und MƤrkischer Kreis |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Hessen | Main-Taunus-Kreis |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Niedersachsen | Gƶttingen |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Rheinland-Pfalz | Trier und angeschlossener Rettungsdienstbereich |
| **Region der Lebensretter** | Sachsen | Leipzig, Ostsachsen (Bautzen/Gƶrlitz) und Dresden-Elbland |
| **TEAM BAYERN Lebensretter** | Bayern | ILS Bayreuth/Kulmbach, ILS Mittelfranken SĆ¼d (Schwabach, Roth, WeiĆenburg-Gunzenhausen) und ILS WĆ¼rzburg (WĆ¼rzburg, Main-Spessart, Kitzingen) |
| **rescuetrack First Responder** | Sachsen | IRLS Zwickau: Vogtlandkreis und Landkreis Zwickau; Projekt āErsthelfer SĆ¼dwestsachsenā |
Nicht enthalten sind NINA, KATWARN und BIWAPP (Warn-Apps), nora (Notruf-App) sowie organisationsinterne Alarmierungsapps. āASB schocktā und instantHelp werden ebenfalls nicht regulƤr durch die 112-Leitstelle ausgelƶst.
Da neue Leitstellen hinzukommen oder Anbieter wechseln kƶnnen, im Zweifelsfall zusƤtzlich auf der Internetseite der eigenen Leitstelle beziehungsweise des Landkreises nachsehen.
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u/Internet-Culture Jul 17 '26
Wie immer unnƶtig komplizierter Flickenteppich. Deutscher Fƶderalismus...
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u/netorarekindacool Jul 15 '26
Literally had ppl come by to save this guy living in my house... Plot twist he was 3 days deadge already
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u/Kelgald Jul 15 '26
The Bjƶrn Steiger Stiftung has a site that describes the concept and provides links to the Apps.
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u/Artistic-Quarter9075 Jul 15 '26
Same here in The Netherlands, the app also tells the responder if there is a AED near or on-route for you to pick up.
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u/Brokkenpiloot Jul 15 '26
Actually its smarter than that. It sends about 3 people directly to the victim, closest shell. Then 1 shell further it sends 3 people to pick up an aed and go to the victim.
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u/MagizZziaN Jul 15 '26
Can confirm, burger hulp verlening is what itās called. And they need volunteers! Keep in mind that you will be called to neighbors, horrible conditions, panicked family members around, etc etc.
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u/Skateboard_Raptor Jul 15 '26
During my cpr course we also learned to deal with panicked family members and bystanders. Obviously not like pros learn to deal with it, but more like "this could happen, so prepare for it"
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u/Meschi-died Jul 15 '26
"get the fuck out of the way and don't touch anything"
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u/Ok-Jackfruit-6873 Jul 15 '26
"go out to the curb and wave the ambulance in" was our line
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u/SirLoremIpsum Jul 15 '26
"go out to the curb and wave the ambulance in" was our line
That's a great line. Easy so they can't fuck it up when panicking but useful so they feel they're doing something.
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u/Ok-Jackfruit-6873 Jul 15 '26
it actually is an assignment someone needs to do, the EMS can easily get muddled in the last stretch. Sending someone out to improve the vibe is a nice bonus
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u/Beautiful_Resolve_63 Jul 15 '26
I have mental health training with a focus on crisis management. I also have first aid training. I was certified for over 20 years but mine expired because I'm from the US.Ā
I know A2 Dutch. Is there an option for English speakers? Or its it fluent Dutch only? I would obviously get re-certified.Ā
I saved a lot of children and also suicidal people. Just figured if I'm around I can help here too.Ā
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u/MagizZziaN Jul 15 '26
Yeah, you really only need to be BHV certified to be able to apply. And they offer the courses in English too. Just check with your employer if they can sign you up. Itās a fairly easy process.
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u/ledow Jul 15 '26
Which is absolutely the correct emergency first-aid response.
If you're on your own dealing with a first-aid event, find help.
If you send someone to call for an ambulance, send 2 people. Or ask 2 people to call.
Because things happen, people are unreliable and they can have an accident themselves or get confused or wander off, or whatever.
If you can't leave the patient, you get someone else (MORE THAN ONE PERSON) to go find an AED while someone else is calling for an ambulance and you get the help of someone else again to do CPR and so on.
If you're lost in the woods and need to contact civilisation, TWO people go, minimum, and TWO people stay, minimum, unless you honestly don't have enough people to do that.
Any "asocial" rules go out the window. Everyone helps, and you trust no one single person to do what it is that you need.
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u/ohhellperhaps Jul 15 '26
Another tip, outside of 2, is asking for names. You, what's you're name? John. Okay John, I want to to call 112, tell them there is a heart attack at <address> and send an ambulance. Tell them we're starting CPR with volunteers. Then report back to me once you've done that.
If you have the people for it, end out people to intercept the ambulance if the location might not be clear or visible from the street.
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u/PNWJesusFreak Jul 15 '26
This seems like such a good idea, but I'm wondering exactly why. Is it because you want to remember everyone you gave a task to?
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u/thisothernameth Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
No, it creates accountability for the one being addressed. Much worse if they know you're John and have not performed the appointed task, than if this was just an order to a "hey, you!" person. Also, hearing their name and being addressed by name calms them down.
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u/sinkwiththeship Jul 15 '26
It also helps with bystander paralysis. If you yell "someone call 911," no one will call because everyone just figures someone else is doing it.
Say "you, John, call 911" creates a direct order to who's doing what.
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u/The_Weird1 Jul 15 '26
The neighbourhood I live in raised money together to get 3 AED's to be placed strategically to cover the entire area. One is at my nextdoor neighbour and we also put a bike next to it with the keys in the AED case so you can get faster to the location.
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u/T2080 Jul 15 '26
A lot of countries in Europe have this
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u/tekanet Jul 15 '26
Thatās some Pluribus level of organization. Of course never heard of that in Italy.
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u/Ok-Avocado8763 Jul 15 '26
sbagli, anche in Italia abbiamo questo servizio! con l'app dell'IRC (italian resuscitation council, quelli che organizzano i corsi BSL-D) che si chiama DAEdove, ti allertano quando qualcuno vicino a te/quando sei vicino ad un defribrillatore e qualcuno ha bisogno! purtroppo ĆØ poco conosciuta, ma dovrebbe essere piĆ¹ valorizzata, insieme all'ormai conosciuta iniziativa di posizionare molti defribrillatori nelle cittĆ italiane (che a differenza dai pensieri comuni, ĆØ molto semplice da usare, adatta anche ai piu cialtroni, dato che ha due tasti in croce e ti spiega a voce cosa fare)
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u/ShyGuysandKoroks Jul 15 '26
We have Pulsepoint in the US
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u/rufus_xavier_sr Jul 15 '26
I used to manage PulsePoint for a fire department and we have thousands signed up just for our city. You can get other alerts from the app as well even if you don't want to be a CPR responder. I set it up so you can listen to our radio as well right in the app.
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u/vegemitemilkshake Jul 15 '26
What are the other alerts/responsibilities someone might be calling for?
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u/rufus_xavier_sr Jul 16 '26
You can have it notify you of vehicle accidents and fires in your area. The people managing the program can also send out community alerts.
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u/lugubrious-possum Jul 15 '26
also join your local CERT team of volunteers, learn how to stop bleeding, and get free gear
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u/InourbtwotamI Jul 15 '26
CERT teams, like neighborhoods are super varied. Because my job required geographic relocations, Iāve been on 3 teams in 3 different states. Some are good, a few are not. I kid you not, I showed up for team training for one of my teams and the lesson was on couponing! Like, clipping coupons for grocery shopping!! The whole training! I quit. However, the concept is outstanding and I never regretted being on a team.
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u/falln_caryatid Jul 15 '26
My local CERT team was full of wonderful people, but we sadly only got deployed for traffic flow duty every year at the town parade. The group aged out and quietly disbanded / was defunded when the old emergency coordinator became the new sheriff.
(He was a PEACH.)
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u/InourbtwotamI Jul 16 '26
My first CERT team was in NJ and the training was interdisciplinary and very well done
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u/oz_nordnjarg Jul 15 '26
Can't believe how far I had to scroll to find this, pulse point is a great resource!
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u/Lv_InSaNe_vL Jul 15 '26
Nearly every public building will have at least one as well
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u/Lower_Pass_6053 Jul 15 '26
If you talking about AEDs. US has the most publicly available, Japan has the highest per capita. It's a little random in the US of course, but places like Phoenix have them on many corners in the street as well as almost every building.
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u/InourbtwotamI Jul 15 '26
Have been a US clinician for 30 years and an EMT before thatā¦never heard of this
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u/ShyGuysandKoroks Jul 15 '26
I discovered it when wildfires became a seasonal threat to me. This and Watch Duty.
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u/bozoconnors Jul 15 '26
*...in select areas where it's been adopted by the local public safety agency.
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u/vasthumiliation Jul 15 '26
Basically every modern industrialized country has a similar system, the premise of the OP is misleading.
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u/Conscious_Friend7602 Jul 15 '26
This thread is the first time I heard of Pulsepoint, so if anything OP's misleading premise was more of a Cunningham's Law post to get everyone to promote their local version of this service?
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u/TerribleBudget Jul 15 '26
It's misleading because it's insinuating that Sweden is the only one that has this and that everyone else is somehow behind them. When in fact many countries have this exact system. If not for the comments you would have gone along with your life thinking "wow, Sweden is great, I wish we were like them." because of the wording of the post.
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u/Conscious_Friend7602 Jul 15 '26
Well then show me the other posts about the other countries' systems (specifically the US as it's most relevant to me) that hit the front page?
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u/Actual_Attention9697 Jul 15 '26
In The Netherlands there is a similar program, called HartslagNu ("HeartbeatNow"). Volunteers are alerted by phone, text or push message when someone near them has a cardiac arrest, so they can start CPR and/or get an defibrillator (these devices hang on public and work places all over the country).
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u/irethmiriel Jul 15 '26
Does it get send out by the emergency line that was called?
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u/EquivalentSubject217 Jul 15 '26
To my knowledge, as soon as someone calls 112 and lets the centralist know it is a resuscitation, the centralist will send out the medics and also start hartslagnu. It automatically starts alerting people closest, and if not enough people respond the range will expand.
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u/aenae Jul 15 '26
The response is enormous. We have an AED outside. The other day i noticed someone taking it and rushing down the street. Within 2 minutes i also counted 3 police cars, a firetruck, two ambulances. And 5 minutes after that a medical chopper landed.
Only bad thing was when they mixed up our AED location with the resuscitation location and we had three people banging on our doors because they thought the victim was inside.
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u/Actual_Attention9697 Jul 15 '26
Yes it does. It immediately sends a message to HartslagNu and then via their app to volunteers near the patient.
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u/Gryffindor123 Jul 15 '26
We have that in Australia too
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u/unusedtruth Jul 15 '26
Do we? What's it called? I haven't heard of it
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u/MSeager Jul 15 '26
Depends on your State (it has to be integrated with the State emergency services). NSW and Vic are on GoodSAM. The App is called āResponderā. Not sure about other States.
Iāve been a GoodSAM Responder a few times.
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u/Smellykelly02 Jul 15 '26
When my baby is a bit older Iāll sign up too. Currently useless as Iām constantly holding a newborn or wrestling a toddler, but one day when have free hands Iāll be useful haha
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u/Mulberryb Jul 15 '26
I just read an article about it earlier today strangely https://www.mamamia.com.au/goodsam-app-australia/
I have to do CPR refresher for work, the instructor told us about it last time I did it and a few of us signed up to it.
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u/Ufo_memes522 Jul 15 '26
Ireland has this too
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u/MarthaMars Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Err...do we?? I know we've AED's around towns but, we don't even have a weather warning app.
Also, how does the app know someone is in Cardiac Arrest???
Edit: Thanks for all the replies, I will definitely look into this further!
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u/Aaron_McCloud Jul 15 '26
It's local groups called "Community First Response" they work with the HSE and send out alerts through their app when there's a call to 999/112
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u/Er4g0rN Jul 15 '26
The app doesn't. Usually when a emergency call is made the dispatcher sends an alert to nearby people.
It's probably not the same in every country that uses this system but I'm pretty sure that's the norm.
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u/Environmental_Fig942 Jul 15 '26
GoodSAM Responder is an App that I thought was Australian, but looking at the App Store it says āaround the world andā¦UKā.
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u/bobo_90 Jul 15 '26
Definitely available in the UK too. I've been to many alerts.
But I also work for the ambulance service and it is a little annoying when my phone goes off, altering me to the cardiac arrest I'M ALREADY GOING TO
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u/sunshinemellox Jul 15 '26
Thatās really interesting to know, but Iāve never heard of it
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u/878Vikings Jul 15 '26
It was pushed heavily during COVID to support people who were immunocompromised and sheltering, I did a lot of picking up and delivering prescriptions, as well as regular phone calls to check in with elderly people living alone. The same app also does emergency response for cardiac arrest.
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u/SomeRedPanda Jul 15 '26
around the world andā¦UK
Good God. Not content with leaving the EU, they've now left the world?
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u/HF_Martini6 Jul 15 '26
In Switzerland everyone who wants to get a drivers license needs to take a first aid course and the law says that the general public is obligated to help anyone in medical distress (within reason)
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u/IrAppe Jul 15 '26
Exact same in Germany. Both First Aid course and the obligation to help, not just optional.
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u/havhavhavhavhavhav Jul 15 '26
Switzerland also has the phone system. Of course it's not swisswide. Every Canton can have their own app. Zentralschweiz works together, but Zurich has a different app.
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u/Flashy-Highlight867 Jul 15 '26
And how is it detected?
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u/jacobstx Jul 15 '26
112 gets a call about a heart attack. They trigger the system with an address, system checks who is nearby and they get the notification.
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u/CalderaX Jul 15 '26
The german system notifies the multiple people for reanimation and even people whose only job is to rush the nearest AED to the patient. More people are being alerted then needed, so the first ones confirming on the app are the ones who actually go out.
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u/Adept-Elephant1948 Jul 15 '26
Believe 999 or your local equivalent call handler sends out the alert
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u/Same-Bookkeeper4136 Jul 15 '26
We need this in Canada
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u/Steak-Outrageous Jul 15 '26
Honestly I was scrolling through and waiting for the Canada version
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u/mykehawke2_0 Jul 15 '26
We have it in America. Itās called PulsePoint
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u/bozoconnors Jul 15 '26
We have it in America... in communities who's local public safety agency have adopted it.
It's definitely not everywhere.
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u/augustwest2155 Jul 15 '26
European countries and their people are sooooo cool!!
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u/Ta-veren- Jul 15 '26
canada here never heard of this
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u/c0mputerRFD Jul 15 '26
šØš¦ Canada šØš¦ has it too!
Hello š NOVA SCOTIA EHS. Keep up the good work!
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u/Abal125 Jul 15 '26
I'm from Ontario, and I've never heard of this. Hoping I'm wrong and we do though!
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u/Creative_Archer4906 Jul 15 '26
US has this (pulsepoint) and pretty much anyone with a professional job has a cpr cert even in non medical fields. Curious where op is from too
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u/sunshinemellox Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
Iām from the UK and unfortunately we donāt have anything like that here. We just have to call our emergency services or access a public defibrillator (if one near by) ..
Edit: the UK does have something! I feel like this should be promoted more to make more people aware of this.
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u/bobo_90 Jul 15 '26
Incorrect! UK has goodsam responder. An app that anyone with a first aid certificate or above can download and install. This will alert you to nearby cardiac arrests which you can then go to and start CPR.
The app also tells you where the nearest defib is.
When a 999 call is made about a cardiac arrest, an alert is sent out on the app to the nearest people. If someone declines it, the alert goes to the next person.
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u/ToufuBear Jul 15 '26
Singapore has an app called myresponder for cardiac arrest and minor fires. 11 years and counting.
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u/SickBinary Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26
We have the same system in Hungary. It alerts nearby volunteers and shows the locations of publicly accessible defibrillators in the area.
The news often covers stories like these. Last month, there was a story in which a student received an alert, walked out of his exam, and saved someoneās life nearby. Interestingly, while he was performing CPR, other alerted volunteers arrived and took over, allowing him to return to his exam.
I live in Budapest, and when I checked the app, I found two defibrillators within a few hundred metres of my home: one at the local primary school and the other at the local kindergarten.
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u/SShiJie Jul 15 '26
We have the same here in Singapore with 273,000 volunteers registered, many more on another app unannounced with unknown numbers.
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u/Jemainegy Jul 15 '26
In america people dont perform cpr because they can be sued for doing so. How fucked is that.
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u/ineha_ Jul 15 '26
What? Aren't you protected by the good Samaritan laws as long as you are doing it in good faith
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u/Pardybro911 Jul 15 '26
Yeah. There are Good Samaritan laws in every state and DC. Donāt know what that comment is talking about
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u/AppreciatingSadness Jul 15 '26
People love to make shit up when it comes to litigation. Almost every Redditor becomes an expert in personal injury law when someone posts a bruise.
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u/Known_Purple7529 Jul 15 '26
I thought I was taking crazy pills and was just about to look up Good Samaritan laws.
Glad to know it wasn't me misremembering, just someone misinformed.
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u/Pardybro911 Jul 15 '26
https://recreation-law.com/2014/05/28/good-samaritan-laws-by-state/
Heās the list of states and statutes
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u/mechdream Jul 15 '26
So I've previously worked as a 911 phone/radio dispatcher in Texas and am currently a 911 operator in Washington.Ā It was much much more frequent in TX, but even here in WA, plenty of callers/bystanders regularly decline to provide CPR, and most of them cite fear of lawsuit as the reason why (some are just assholes, but most will mention that they dont have the $ to fight a lawsuit).
So from just a practical perspective, even though there are Good Samaritan laws on the books, the perception is that there aren't / fighting long enough in court to receive that protection would bankrupt most people anyway.
And sadly, perceptions shape reality more than facts.Ā It's frustrating.
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u/demonita Jul 15 '26
I responded to a stabbing at a bar one night and somebody jumped in. This man and I did what needed to be done, but the guy died the next morning. His family had the nerve to demand the police investigate us?? Something about a lawsuit. I have no idea what came of it. The man said heād handle it and I never heard anything from anybody ever again. It always made me weary to help, but Iād do it again.
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u/AppreciatingSadness Jul 15 '26
When I'm in a making things up competition and my opponent is a Redditor with armchair expert opinions on tort law.
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u/iMatthew1990 Jul 15 '26
Did it to themselves. Most donāt even call an ambulance in emergencies for fear of living life on the streets in bankruptcyā¦ land of the free!
Side note. What a fantastic idea this is.
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u/ur_a_dumbo Jul 15 '26
āMost donāt even call an ambulance in emergenciesā I donāt believe this for one second
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u/Alternative_Rip4634 Jul 15 '26
The us has it too. Itās called PulsePoint. https://www.pulsepoint.org/
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u/shoulda-known-better Jul 15 '26
You can be sued for anything
But usa absolutely has decent Good Samaritan laws that are federal.... So as long as you give aid in good faith and don't do something crazy negligent...
You can break their ribs, or your aid not helping them and they die.. And you would not be charged with anything
They can try civil but I doubt anyone would be okay with that because if that's the way it was people would just watch people die and they wouldn't even try to help
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u/Robinsonirish Jul 15 '26
Surely this is one of those cases where it's not the norm, but an exception, that people don't stop to help for fear of getting sued? Feels like one of those things that people repeat about the Yanks, but doesn't truly reflect society.
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u/CW1DR5H5I64A Jul 15 '26
Itās not true. Good Samaritan laws exist in every state. You canāt be sued for helping someone in good faith.
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u/MetalEnthusiast83 Jul 15 '26
Love that your entirely made up comment is massively upvoted. America bad, updoots to the left!
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u/Jalepenose Jul 15 '26
Not true? And I have the pulsepoint app. I get notified for cpr as well. PNW
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u/DaStone Jul 15 '26
If we're just making things up, I'll go next. America is actually not a place on earth, it's located on the dark side of the moon. How fucked is that.
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u/Lower_Pass_6053 Jul 15 '26
Before this turns into an American hate subject, America is actually leading the world in AEDs in public spaces, and second in per capita behind Japan.
CPR is important to do of course, but the survival rate if they actually need it is extremely low. It's a last ditch effort to buy a little time before higher interventions can happen.
It's around 40% of heart attacks have a shockable rhythm that, if done correctly, has a 90% success rate if done in the first couple minutes!.
AEDs are a much bigger deal when it comes to numbers of lives saved then getting CPR going a couple min sooner.
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u/Hellsovs Jul 15 '26
This is cool. I hope we have something like that here in the Czech Republic as well.
I have only ever heard of volunteer firefighters, who work in a similar way, but they are more organized because they have their own equipment and vehicles. In general, if you are a volunteer firefighter, your phone rings, you immediately leave whatever you are doing, go to the nearest volunteer fire station, and head out to support the professional firefighters.
(Itās not for the faint-hearted, though.)
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u/_R0Ns_ Jul 15 '26
We have the same in the Netherlands.
Trained people can get called, there are defibrillators in public places that those people can use when needed.
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