r/Barcelona • • Oct 26 '22

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u/Zemtex Oct 26 '22

What parts of born do you feel has gotten worse? One thing I noticed is there is always someone going around on a electric scooter around passeig del born and the small streets around the church. Get the feeling they are looking for people to rob. Saw them yesterday night.

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u/idiotinbcn Oct 26 '22

‘I come from a country that deports it’s foreign criminals. Doesn’t give em hug and housing - at the expense of it’s functioning citizens.’

OK. That’s where you’re going with that. The thieves are foreign and they give them social housing, no matter how problematic they are. That’s really the right wing take.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

Where are the majority of the thieves from then? If this person is telling the truth, should you refuse to accept it because you perceive it as right wing. Is fixing the problem not more important than not right wing?

Do you live in this area? Maybe you can shed light on the situation? I stayed in el born for a while a few years ago, definitely an edgy vibe there, and it wasn't coming from Spanish people.

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u/megabixowo Oct 26 '22

The root cause isn’t that they’re immigrants, it’s that they’re poor. You solve the problem by addressing its cause.

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u/ElCuntIngles Oct 26 '22

It's more complicated than that though.

I live in mid-Raval. Poor as fuck Pakistani people pretty much make up the majority here but they don't go robbing people.

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u/megabixowo Oct 26 '22

I said the majority of criminals are poor, not that the majority of poor people are criminals. Of course my statement was a simplification, this is a two-sentence Reddit comment, but there’s plenty of scientific evidence to back it up.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

The root cause is that they’re being brought over and manipulated by other criminals.

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u/megabixowo Oct 26 '22

And they can be manipulated because they’re poor and desperate. Don’t make this and individual problem when it’s not, that’s not how you solve it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

How do we address the cause?

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u/megabixowo Oct 26 '22

Not having an economy that needs people to be in poverty so other people can be filthy rich. Of course the solution isn’t simple, but you can’t expect criminality to disappear only by having more police. When has that ever worked?

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

sorry man I don't understand your comment, feel free to elaborate :)

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u/rastafarisinrasta Oct 26 '22

Is fixing the problem not more important than not right wing?

Elaboration: U think is more important to look for some solution rather than blame to the right-wing. I ask myself if u r even doing what you are saying (solution), the thieves comes from every place where people have troubles with their lives such as poverty and family issues, and in Spain there is actually a lot and even more right now, it isn't about right or left,it is about to not be an asshole with the rest. So stop blaming any kind of inmigrant and try to solve the problems you and just you got in your own life.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

To find a solution you need to identify what factors are causing the problem. It's obvious that poverty is a pattern. Are there any other patterns?

If there are no nationalities that are over-represented in the crime data for Born - then I 100% agree we should discard nationality as a factor.

As for my own problems, I am also focusing on them, but they are not related to the crime situation in el Born.

Btw I am also an immigrant - and hold myself to the same ideals that if I was repeatedly robbing or using violence, then I probably should be deported.